The Feds

[nulltone]

What do you guys want to do about the feds?

[Grifter]

Who doesn't like feds?

Feds, can't live with em'....

I like the feds. I like the fact that once a year we can get together with the people who are supposed to put an end to security issues, lock us up and throw away the key. I think a big part of it, is the fact that on any other day and in any other situation, we might not feel comfortable talking to these people. Defcon is neutral ground for the most part, it's a chance for them to learn what's coming from us, and for us to learn what's coming from them. Plus, let's be honest, have you ever sat through a talk that gets more laughs then the Meet the Fed Panel?

[Xp0nential]

Yes it's like having helpless feds in yer control room ..
hehehe
Wonder what will their clothing style be like next time.(Oh do I see a pattern!!! no way)



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The Feds



Do you think with the attacks back on Sept. 11 that the feds will try to crack down on people attending and/or organinzing Def Con next year?

[Xp0nential]

I think so yes.
We should be very carefull at defcon
we might even need to talk to lawyers first(in case you are a person doing a presentation) to see if what you are talking about might get in you in trouble like it did with Dimitry

later
Xp0nential

[converge]

hahaha, that's probably not a bad idea, considering the flow of blame if sh1t hits the fan......

[Xp0nential]

not just that

especially with the Patriot Act and its vague definition of what exactly is terrorism. They can easily label us if they want to as terrorist.

This bill is really dangerous and a breach of civil liberties. People should get informed about it.

later

[H2O]

I personally think, as long as they stay out of the way of the fun and learning that they should stay. They just add another face to the mix. On the other had when they start checking laptops asking for id so on then its time to find another place or get them out of there. American is great because we have freedoms to do things like defcon. On the other hand the feds need to have the right and authority to come in and stop the kid picketing my servers who thinks he’s some big hacker so forth.
We need to respect our own freedom and not destroy a good thing.
~H2O

[Xp0nential]

its obvious

that you don't know what the Patriot Act is. Your answer doesn't make sense.
It's not about arresting a guy whois packeting or causing disruption.
Its a bill which targets everyone, it was not made with the hackers in mind by the way.
Its surveillance of every american and foreign person in this country .
Its the end of privacy.
example: the FBI can know come to your house and do searches without needing a warrant............ you can't say no.

the other issue is :
the FBI has been messing up for a long time. do you really wanna give them more unmonitored authority?
no!!
on the contrary they should seek to regulate the FBI.

later

[converge]

people are stupid though... (not u h20, people in general) I know someone going on a witchhunt for a student that browsed through network neighborhood of a relatively public network space to an openly shared folder on someone elses computer and told that person to secure the folder, because anyone could look at it The person is noow being viewed as hacking into a private computer and violating the school's e-policy.

going after what they don't understand or are afraid of... it's pretty natural for human behavior i guess

[Xp0nential]

..

now the feds don't even need warrants if they go and say its an investigation related to terrorism...
now they have total authority to actually tap every kind of communications(they already did or claimed they do) and even use it in court.
Reminds me of the movie
Enemy of the State
heh

[H2O]

"you don't know what the Patriot Act" You are right I stand corrected, I had not looked totally into it. I am not sure what we can do about this though. <br>"the FBI can know come to your house and do searches without needing a warrant" -- Well this is why laptops and hot-swap-able hard drive are so great! A- never mind.. :)
Personally Feds do not bother me as long as they are not going through my hard drives, so on so forth. I don't agree with the law but again, this does not change the law. Can and should feds come? Sure. But heck they need to stop doing stupid stuff like they or who ever it was did to Dmitry Sklyarov. If we need to have the Con in a different country well ie Mexico well lets do it. But I really don't think that's necessary.
H2O

[Opticodah]

The feds told me I was a good kid
and they still felt the need to confiscate my computer!
;)

Get rid of them all!

[nulltone]

Originally posted by H2O
...If we need to have the Con in a different country well ie Mexico well lets do it. But I really don't think that's necessary.
H2O

Hah! Then we will have the CIA and federales on our case.
Even though the CIA has better things to do.
You thought the Feds looked out of place at Defcon? What about a federale (sp?) walking through the crowds of geeks.

[HiValicious]

I think feds waste too much time trying to stop computer crimes than murder, i sometimes think they would care about a site being altered from being hacked more than someone being killed.
I think some should stay, cause i'm sure a few actually help people in real life, but for the most part, all of them should be gone!
I bet when you guys have the con next yr they'll put just as much focus on that as they are terrorist right now, just not as televised on the media.

But that's just my opinion....