View Full Version : DC 14 Printed Con Program - Thoughts?
blackbeetle
03-11-2006, 08:27 AM
Every few years, we grapple with redesigning the con program - whether it be size or content. Now is the time to chime in.
1) Does anyone really "read" the program? Just about all the information in there can be found on various websites... is it necessary to reiterate it in print?
2) Are there elements/sections that should be added?
3) Are there elements/sections that should be removed?
4) Should the program be physically larger (in dimension) or smaller (in dimension)? We know that the "pocket" size has been well received but physical dimensions does at times pose layout issues.
5) Additional comments?
Deviant Ollam
03-11-2006, 09:31 AM
size is terrific. pretty much everyone i know thought that the switch to a smaller, more portable program after DC11 was really, really excellent. i can see how layout issues can crop up, however.
i personally enjoy how things are laid out. i do read some of the articles and other musings which are interspersed with the informative pages. for the most part, however, just about every con i've tended to get my hands on a second program, from which i tear out the few pages that have the speaking track schedules (and sometimes the DC movie channel lineup) and keep those in my pocket all the time, typically with lots of sharpie marker notes as to where i'm trying to be.
i would really like it if the schedule pages had an extra column down the right side, next to the third speaking track, where people could either mark in notes to themselves about events and games... or have that column already populated with some of the time slots that we're working out here on the forums with converge's calendar. (i thought there was an info column like that in the past, but i can't find it in the pages of my programs from DC13, 12, or 11. don't know where i have my older materials from 8, 9, and 10)
since the smaller program size makes fitting things in difficult as it is, perhaps there could be an additional printed sheet, standard 8½ x 11 size, with just the speaking schedule. there could be an additional column down the side listing events, contests, etc (those who are compiling the calendar here on the forums could take input from organizers and the community as a whole as to whether or not an event should be publicly listed on such a sheet)... and then there would even still be enough space to have an additional column just for people to note down their own additions to where they want to be at specific times.
a two-sided 8½ x 11 sheet would more than handle this, i think. then many of us wouldn't have to swipe an extra program and rip pages out to keep a convenient schedule in our pockets.
just an idea. it adds to the whole costs and logistics of printing, however, so i can see how it could be frowned upon.
I like the second sheet idea from Deviant, but it would be nice if it add a map on the back. With DC growing so much, and new avtivities/contests being added every year, it seems a lot of people have trouble finding them ( I guess flipping through the book is too difficult for some ). The new layout is going to confuse those who start the day with a .02 BA level.
Probably have to ask FAWCR, but it seems like most of the questions they get are when/where related. People are always asking for programs too, a one page hand-out may help alleviate that too.
Deviant Ollam
03-11-2006, 11:15 AM
People are always asking for programs too, a one page hand-out may help alleviate that too.you know, considering how many people ask for extra programs when all they really want is a map or schedule, printing up the two-sided info sheet might actually work out to cost less in the long run, since they can be mass produced quickly with no cutting costs or assembly. supplemental volume could even be produced mid-weekend at a kinko's or some shit if need be.
lowtec
03-11-2006, 02:37 PM
I thought the DC13 program was superbly done. I enjoyed the creative layouts.
Actually, I can help out with layouts for print matter if needed, I've used Adobe pagemaker and indesign. Not that I'm an expert or anything, just looking to lend a hand where needed.
TheCotMan
03-11-2006, 03:28 PM
1)Use:
I did not attend last year, but comments related to the other questions:
I tend to only use the map, event/presentation descriptions, and the "schedule" (table of events with locations and times.)
I've also used the DCTV schedule.
Most other content I save for when I get back home. (I don't have so much time to read stuff at Defcon ;-)
2) Additions:
We will be more "spread out" in some ways this year.
With B&W ball on a diffeent floor, skyboxes in a low-traffic area, the pool quite a ways away, we have spaces that are far enough away from each other so as to not get advertising through casual observation with foot-traffic.
For all map locations, specify floor, or ground-level
3) Removed:
I would not be sad if the Stories, news, poems, contest winners for pre-con contests were removed.
All of this could go on the web page or the CD.
4) Size:
To me, pocket size is more important than the extra content. It's not a good tradeoff to me if we get access to new content in a program at the cost of loss of the pocket size,
5) Other comments:
The programs get better every year. Good work.
Smaller size is better- more portable, stores better, etc...
I usually read the entire thing after con- just general info use while at con.
LosT
Xodia
03-11-2006, 07:15 PM
I love the program in its current form, but it could use a map on the back.
Also, an index for the presentation abstracts would be handy. I always found myself flipping through the pages for a few minutes before I could find the abstract I was looking for.
octalpus
03-11-2006, 08:45 PM
For the most part, I read the program on the plane home. The articles are great and give me warm fuzzies as I leave friends behind til the next one. I generally print out a schedule before hand and highlight the talks I want to see based on the abstracts online. That being said, a "printable version" link that will print a nicely page-sized formatted schedule would be really nice, as would additional copies of the schedule and map being made available at various points around the con. That way, we don't have to mark up our nice program, which ends up being quite the keepsake.
Tacitus
03-11-2006, 09:32 PM
3) Removed:
I would not be sad if the Stories, news, poems, contest winners for pre-con contests were removed.
All of this could go on the web page or the CD.
I would be disappointed if this went away. I actually like the filler content. I usually appreciate having it around to read during downtime (waiting for a talk to start/decompressing from the day/on the plane ride home)
klepto
03-12-2006, 03:38 AM
!. The Map should be on the first few pages.
2. The material should be sturdier...by Sunday, my program has kind of worned out.
3. A little space to write mini notes, like an email or website...something.
astcell
03-12-2006, 03:56 PM
I read it cover to cover. I want more more more. My only issue was that the type was so small that if I folded the program the words were unreadable on the fold.
lil_freak
03-13-2006, 10:18 AM
I read the entire content of the program and thoroughly enjoy having one each year. And as OP stated it makes a nice keepsake.
[Syntax]
03-13-2006, 10:02 PM
The smaller books recently were an improvement (especially over the year we had a 20x10 sheet) but Id like to see seperate schedule sheets.
Same story, I keep the handout and read it later, end up printing the schedule before hand because I dont want to rip the pages out of my book.
enigma
03-14-2006, 02:38 PM
I really liked the books last year. They were full of information and you could keep them in your pocket. Perfect in my opinion, not to mention the kick ass cover :)
renderman
03-14-2006, 02:53 PM
I think that the talk synopsis should be in alphabetical by talk title, not by speaker. It's usually quite frustrating finding the talk I'm looking for. Either that or put them in Chronological order.
KeLviN
03-15-2006, 03:04 PM
i think the slogan contest winner should be picked early enough to include their quote in the book.
(note: i didn get last years book, so this may be how its done now, i dont know....)
astcell
03-15-2006, 08:46 PM
i think the slogan contest winner should be picked early enough to include their quote in the book.
(note: i didn get last years book, so this may be how its done now, i dont know....)
It is already in there, I made 2nd place one time and the goon shirt slogan the next year.
How about adding some encrypted or secret code in the booklet somewhere amongst the normal words and breaks. MI5 did that in a newspaper one day and many broke the "unbreakable" code.
Deviant Ollam
03-15-2006, 08:57 PM
How about adding some encrypted or secret code in the booklet somewhere amongst the normal words and breaks.speaking of something like that, was the "where's leeto" conest ever a real event at a previous defcon? i can recall something like that amid the pages of one program a couple years back and knew some people wanted to find out more details of the game, but last i'd heard at that con, no one knew anything. was it supposed to be a game where you'd have to sniff out the clues, rules, and objectives? or was it a whole lot of nuthin'?
barkode
03-16-2006, 04:15 PM
speaking of something like that, was the "where's leeto" conest ever a real event at a previous defcon? i can recall something like that amid the pages of one program a couple years back and knew some people wanted to find out more details of the game, but last i'd heard at that con, no one knew anything. was it supposed to be a game where you'd have to sniff out the clues, rules, and objectives? or was it a whole lot of nuthin'?
Actually, "Find Leeto" was an intricate Alternate Reality Game 5 months in the making that was designed and executed by Ninja Networks. I oversaw the project.
We kept completely quiet on it and this is (I believe) the first time we're going to come out and talk about it at all. I hope people read this because it's going to give you an idea of how much shit most people missed out on because they didn't follow some blatantly obvious clues, including some which were in the printed material handed to every Defcon attendee.
The game was a mix of "hacking" and real life detective work, and included staged real-life events, fake websites, hidden items at the hotel, and hired actors at the con.
We created a guy named "Leeto Burrito", portrayed by an actor, and gave him a twin brother, "Guido Burrito." The story goes like this (as much as I can remember as this was a couple years ago.)
Leeto was a security consultant who found a major exploit in "BECWare v9.1.6", released by Big Evil Corporation. If their website looked anything like SCO's website at the time, that is a complete coincidence.
A few hours before Leeto was set to publically release the exploit, he was kidnapped at a convenience store, the attack was caught on tape. I actually took a gas station in Sacramento, closed it down temporarily, and videotaped a staged kidnapping, complete with real Sacramento PD presence. This video was the first thing you'd have seen if you went to findleeto.com during Defcon 11.
Guido Burrito (a hired actor named Matthew Donaldson) then set up this findleeto.com domain and came to Defcon to enlist hackers in the effort to find his twin brother, who he suspected was being held prisoner somewhere in Las Vegas. He put up tons of flyers at Defcon 11, and handed out business cards. The business cards contained a fake PGP key on the back that was part of the puzzle, and (if I remember correctly) could be decoded directly into a compressed audio file. The file contained morse code that provided a clue. There was also a barcode on the card that provided another clue. The phone number on the card worked and also provided clues.
Ultimately, by following clues on the poster, the card, and the website, you would find Leeto Burrito's livejournal. On his livejournal, the most recent posting was from AFTER his kidnapping, and was a photo of an area behind the Alexis Park with the caption "Look Closer". This was a misleading clue - searching the area featured in the picture would turn up no results. However, searching the JPG file itself would return text from a comment field indicating that the image had been Stenographed and provide information needed to download the stenography tool. Upon doing so and running the utility on the image, you would be given a direct clue to the next part of the puzzle.
Eventually you would discover a fax number, and be told that you need to fax a contact phone number to this number. If you did so, you would promptly receive a phone call from a mysterious person telling you to meet them behind a nearby building in an alleyway at a specific time. You would be told to bring friends because "it isn't safe."
Nobody got this far. Upon showing up, a nervous looking man would appear and begin talking to you about Leeto. He would tell you that he's an employee of Big Evil Corp and that he thinks this is all a conspiracy, and that BEC would lose millions in government sales if Leeto's exploit was made public. However, almost immediately, a black SUV and a white van would pull up and men would get out, grab him kicking and screaming, and toss him in the van. He would scream about how they are "Trashing his rights" and he would point quite clearly to a small trash bin right next to you. Opening the bin after he was taken away in the van would expose a large box of 3.5 diskettes.
These diskettes are the final piece of the puzzle. They all appear to be empty, but they are not. There is in fact a video file on each diskette that can be recovered, and this video file was taken by Leeto himself with his camera phone. It shows him bound and gagged, and he holds up a piece of paper with his room number at the Alexis Park on it.
The first group of people to figure this out and go to that room would have found a hired actor (the same one that you'd seen walking around Con for 2 days, only this time portraying Leeto Burrito, the kidnapped brother) bound and gagged, tied to a chair. Upon releasing him they would have won the game, which included cash prizes courtesy of Ninja Networks and some nice recognition, at least from us. :)
I'd brought DT up to speed on the game (it was printed in the defcon program, after all) and he was supposed to make some announcements during Con when we realized people weren't picking up on the really obvious clues. I'm not sure if he did as I didn't press the issue at that point. In any event, we were -shocked- that people could be so dense. Our actor reported back that people actually thought the whole thing was legit and that his brother actually had been kidnapped. People were offering their sincere apologies. I mean, a cursory look at the business card, the flyer, or the website, screams "fake", and that should have been enough to get people to at least go to the URL.
Once you got to the website, it became quite obvious what was going on.
To put the game together we had to carefully pace it - it had to be over by Sunday afternoon, so we actually had to insert "breakpoints" into the game, allowing us to control the flow. An example of such a breakpoint was the meeting in the alleyway. We controlled the time of the meeting, so it allowed us to do two things. Firstly, it allowed us to keep people from advancing too quickly, allowing other people to catch up a bit so that more people could have the full experience. Secondly, it allowed us to make sure that people had reached certain points by certain times. If nobody had reached breakpoint X, we knew where people were and could release more information to get people moving faster. The last few puzzles related to the diskette had no breakpoints, so the teams that reached this last "leg" (think about it working like "The Amazing Race") all had an equal chance of winning the game.
Honestly, we put a -ton- of work in on this and spent a nice chunk of change, and I was really disappointed that the defcon crowd completely missed it. I mean, it was set up very carefully to make sure to involve people from many different walks of technical life. We had radio stuff with the morse code, we had plenty of computer hacking related things, and a lot of actual thinking and detective work. Not to mention we had a hired actor who was extremely well informed walking around Con offering advice and clues to anyone who would just ask him.
All in all we had set up multiple fake phone numbers, rented vehicles, hired actors, made multiple websites, created mutiple livejournals that were carefully backdated for over a year, printed tons of materials, produced multiple videos, and basically put a lot of time and effort into the thing. Not to mention we had to silently run the thing while at Con (checking for faxes, keeping actors ready, keeping track of progress, etc) and still do all the usual Ninja Networks stuff.
Basically, the project was a failure. Despite our best efforts, including our actor walking around con giving business cards to anyone that would take them, only a couple groups of people picked up on it, and even they didn't make it past the first 2 or 3 steps.
We thought about doing it again the following year and making it more officially known, but decided against it. It was a lot of effort and the payout was abyssmal.
Everyone in the Ninja Networks crew contributed something to the game, including but not limted to myself, felix, pac-bell, xe0n, nous, nkryptr, signine, junk, crackerjack, TW, and capnhook. I'm sure I'm forgetting a few people but everyone kicked in for something, and everyone kept their mouths shut.
So there you have it. That's what findleeto was all about. Would have been a lot of fun.
-barkode
TheCotMan
03-16-2006, 06:01 PM
For replies about the leeto burrito contest, please take them here.
(Replies here were moved to that thread.)
Thanks!
More comments about the Defcon program?
veruus
03-29-2006, 07:08 PM
Every few years, we grapple with redesigning the con program - whether it be size or content. Now is the time to chime in.
1) Does anyone really "read" the program? Just about all the information in there can be found on various websites... is it necessary to reiterate it in print?
2) Are there elements/sections that should be added?
3) Are there elements/sections that should be removed?
4) Should the program be physically larger (in dimension) or smaller (in dimension)? We know that the "pocket" size has been well received but physical dimensions does at times pose layout issues.
5) Additional comments?
I always read it. It's good for when there's downtime between talks or you're waiting for your plane home.
I can't think of anything to add or remove. Can't I just like it for what it is?! :(
The size has always worked for me. Maybe there should be a largeprint edition for those who are getting a up there in years...
I could stand some more essays in the vein of Richard Thieme's musings. Any chance we could get some authors of Hacker canon, (Neil Stephenson, Steven Levy, Ray Kurzweil, William Gibson) to pick up their pen?
astcell
03-30-2006, 09:29 PM
For those of us who cannot get enough of Defcon, we even read the page numbers. Believe me, the program is better than a Star Trek script!
DJ Jackalope
04-15-2006, 11:43 PM
I tend to browse through it and read everything in it later. I love the little essay type things that are in it. (I want to write one!) Keep the thank yous.
I think it is good to put some of the info that can be found on websites in the program, not everyone has thier laptop at the con.
Maybe do a color tab thing on the side of the program pages, so you can flip through it really fast and stop at a color you want: ie, like the side color of the pages would be blue for events, or red for biographies about speakers, etc. Not an actual tab, just a printed color on the edge of the page.
Program size and thickness? Awesome. Love it.
Biographies about the djs and the goons? I know the goons are on the site, but it might be nice for newbies to know who they are bowing to.
that's all I can think about now, I'll post up more if there's anything else.
big chopper
06-30-2006, 12:11 PM
Please keep the printed program.
I do read it.
--BC,
DaKahuna
06-30-2006, 05:05 PM
Agreed. Print extras because I, like others, like to keep a "pristine" copy to read and another copy for working notes and tracking my schedule.
DJ Jackalope
07-02-2006, 04:44 PM
Agreed. Print extras because I, like others, like to keep a "pristine" copy to read and another copy for working notes and tracking my schedule.
You forgot to mention the one that usually ends up with some form of alcohol spilled all over it, or am I really the only one this happens to every year?