Kenshoto video torrent or tracklisting?

[sammo]

I didn't get a chance to see all the video clips in the CTF area and the ones I saw were hilarious... what are the odds there will be a torrent (or the like) containing all the video clips? A tracklisting for the music would be nice too.

[Deviant Ollam]

I didn't get a chance to see all the video clips in the CTF area and the ones I saw were hilarious... what are the odds there will be a torrent (or the like) containing all the video clips? A tracklisting for the music would be nice too.yes, the filler material will be torrented. i would encourage anyone who caught one of the DVDs i was flinging into the crowd during the closing to participate in the torrent while already having the full files since you can help seed that way.

[sammo]

yes, the filler material will be torrented. i would encourage anyone who caught one of the DVDs i was flinging into the crowd during the closing to participate in the torrent while already having the full files since you can help seed that way.

Do we have a torrent posted someplace yet?

[kenshotobob]

yes, the filler material will be torrented. i would encourage anyone who caught one of the DVDs i was flinging into the crowd during the closing to participate in the torrent while already having the full files since you can help seed that way.
Is there a tracklisting of what was on the DVDs deviant? I have all the info about what we played throughout the weekend on the Kenshoto screens, but I need to find the time to make it more usable than a list of file names. :)

If a torrent of that DVD gets up, I can provide a diff torrent of the things we added to the Defcon CTF video legacy this year...

Music tracklisting is a little more shaky as we sort of winged it on that this year. I remember playing Dieselboy, Aphrodite, and Birdy Nam Nam myself, but a lot of the music came off the ipods of other people in Kenshoto.

[Deviant Ollam]

here goes... a tracklist for much of what i have on the filler collection that i put together. i'll add some summaries or clarification on any items about which people ask.

[ General ]

Ass Pennies
Baseball Bird
BBS Documentary
Bill Gates Looking Stupid at 2005 CES
Bill Gates Pie Attack
Bill Gates Win98 BSOD
Billy's Dad is a Fudge Packer
Black NASA Documentary
Black People Hate Me
BMX Stunt... Almost
Bush & Blair - Endless Love
Buzz Aldrin Punch Video
Card Trick
Cat Pounces
Celebrity Tip - Pierre Burton
Dance Dance Revolution Fall
Danish Girl's Very Hot Ass
Darth Vader on Wheel of Fortune
Dave Chappelle - Grape Drink
Dave Chappelle - Real Life GTA
Dead Places
DefCon Cannonball Run 2
Dish Network Pirate TV (dvb).mpg
Diving Board Smack
Don Hertzfeldt - Rejected
Don't Copy That Floppy
Dragon Illusion
Drunk Fireworks
Duality
Duck & Cover (1951)
Dumb Skater Fall
Dwutang
Edited State of the Union
Endless Beer
Family Guy - Take on Me
Farting Preacher 1
Farting Preacher 2
Farting Preacher 3
Farting Preacher 4
Farting Preacher 5
Firework Factory Explosion
Friday Night Martial Arts
Gaussian Gun
Geoffrey Haley - The Parlor
GNN - MK-Ultra
GNN - S-11 Redux
Halo Warthog Jump
Hand Shadow Sex
Here Kitty Kitty
Hollow Face Illusion
Horn Guy
Indigen
Insane Foosball
Internet Help Desk
Japan Talent Show
Jesus Christ Supercop - Episode 1
Jesus Christ Supercop - Episode 2
Jesus Christ Supercop - Episode 3
Jesus Christ Supercop - Episode 4
Jesus Christ Supercop - Episode 5
Jim Gaffigan - Hot Pockets
Kevin James - Phone Number Rhythym
Kikkoman
Killer Bean 2.1
Knives
Kung Fu versus Sumo
Leave It To Bush - 1 - Gary Busey
Leave It To Bush - 2 - Bill Cosby
Leave It To Bush - 3 - Samuel L. Jackson
Leeroy
Lego Star Destroyer
Lock Your Door When Watching Pr0n
Look What I Can Do R2D2
LSD Being Tested on British Troops
LSD Being Tested on US Troops
M60E4 Sustained Fire Test
Mario Guitarist
Mario Live
McDonald's Counterstrike
Monty Python Lego
MST3K - A Date With Your Family (1950)
Mythbusters - Bullets Fired Up
Mythbusters - Cooling a Six-Pack
Narutrix
National Drinking Game PSA
Ninja Love
Ninja Rap
Nintendo A Capella
Numa Numa Dance
Octopus
Office Space Wars
Pen Spinning
Piano Balls
Rainbow
Red vs Blue - The Internet
Right To Self Defense
Rising Golden Ball
Rodney Mullen
Roman Candle Dog
Shawshank Mix-A-Lot
Shot on Fire
SNL - Blue Oyster Cult
Snow Tow Car
Snowmobile Flip
South Park - Spirit of Christmas
Speed Shooter
Staplerfahrer Klaus (with subs)
Star Wars Scratch
Star Wars Wassup
Steve Ballmer Monkeyboy Dance
Story of Ctrl-Alt-Delete
Streaking Through Grifter's Talk
TechTV Blooper
Terrence McKenna - Cultures and Drugs
Thanking Mike Hawk
The Man Show - Sock Puppet Porn
The Man Who Sought The Sherrif
The Voz
Tokyo Breakfast
Tom's Hardware Guide - CPU Cooling
Treadmill Idiocy
Troops by Kevin Rubio
Ultimate Ownage Video
UNLV Cheerleader Fall
Vagina Biting Dog
Vegas Fun Fly Demo 2004
Video Conference Call
Wardriving in Gotham
What Is A Ho
Will Ferrell - Stick With Bushie
Wire Fu Ping Pong
Woman Driver
World Record Skateboard Jump


[ Automotive ]

Insane 4x4
Late For Work
Mustang Spin
RC Car
Seatbelt PSA - Asleep At The Wheel
Seatbelt PSA - High Speed Chase
Tire Roll
Top Gear - BMW M5 Taxi
Wicked Parallel Parking
WRC - 2001 - ''In The End''
WRC - 2002 - ''Save Yourself''
WRC - 2002 - Crash
WRC - 2003 - ''Adrenaline''
WRC - 2003 - ''Bring Me To Life''
WRC - 2003 - ''Exploration of Space''
WRC - 2003 - ''TonightTonight''
WRC - 2003 - Argentina
WRC - 2003 - Finland
WRC - 2003 - Greece
WRC - 2003 - Monte Carlo
WRC - 2003 - Sweden
WRC - 2003 - Turkey
WRC - 2004 - ''Art of Losing''
WRC - 2004 - ''Boom''
WRC - Spectacular Crashes
WRC - This Is Rallying


[ Commercials ]

Alternative Freedom
Apple 1984 commercial
AutoBlogger
Bierbitzch
Blow Darts
Cat vs Ceiling Fan
Citroën
Cliff Diving
Crunch Fitness Crunch
Dodge Aries
Double A - Paper Jam
Flintstone Winstons
Healthy Penis Ad
Honda - Cog Commercial
IBM - Protecting You From Those Nefarious Hackers
iBrator 1984 spoof commercial
IKEA Commercial - Unboring Lamp
Kylie Minogue Lingere Ad
Learning English
Mikado Candy
Molson - Chasing Beaver
MS Office XP
Need Glasses
Nutri-Grain
Old Zelda Commercial
Priceless Blowjob
Protect The Boys
Sam Jackson Lager
Snow Scraping
Switch Spoof - Canada
Switch Spoof - Crash Different
Switch Spoof - Gamer
Switch Spoof - Internet Porn
Switch Spoof - Pissed
Switch Spoof - World of Warcraft
Teddy Bears in Cars
Trunk Monkey 1
Trunk Monkey 2
Trunk Monkey 3
Umbro - The Game Comes First
VW Polo - Small But Tough
X-Rated Contact Lenses
Zazoo Condoms


[ GI Joe ]

GI Joe - PSA 1 - Alpine
GI Joe - PSA 2 - Footloose
GI Joe - PSA 3 - Roadblock
GI Joe - PSA 4 - Spirit
GI Joe - PSA 5 - Snow Job
GI Joe - PSA 6 - Barbeque
GI Joe - PSA 7 - Blowtorch
GI Joe - PSA 8 - Shit
GI Joe - PSA 9 - Cutter
GI Joe - PSA 10 - Doc
GI Joe - PSA 11 - Flint
GI Joe - PSA 12 - Dusty
GI Joe - PSA 13 - Lady Jane
GI Joe - PSA 14 - Wild Bill
GI Joe - PSA 15 - Mutt
GI Joe - PSA 16 - Deep Six
GI Joe - PSA 17 - Recondo
GI Joe - PSA 18 - Spirit
GI Joe - PSA 19 - Barbeque
GI Joe - PSA 20 - Shipwreck
GI Joe - PSA 21 - Scarlett
GI Joe - PSA 22 - Gung Ho
GI Joe - PSA 23 - Quick Kick
GI Joe - PSA 24 - Deep Six
GI Joe - PSA 25 - Airtight


[ Music Videos ]

All Your Base Are Belong To Us
Apocalyptica - Nothing Else Matters
Atomic Stock Footage Music Video
Bad Religion - American Jesus
Bad Religion - New America
Ballmer & Domo-Kun - Domopers
Bass Hunter - Botenanna
Beam vs. Cyrus - Take This Sound
Benny Benassi - Satisfaction
Bloodhound Gang - Ballad of Chasey Lain (uncensored)
Bloodhound Gang - The Bad Touch (uncensored)
Chemical Brothers - Let Forever Be
Chemical Brothers ft. K-OS - Get Yourself High
Cowboy Bebop - Gorillaz - 19-2000 Remix
Cowboy Bebop - Linkin Park - In The End
Crystal Method - Comin Back
David Hasselhoff - Hooked on a Feeling
DJ Dancer Mouse - Grey Album
Final FantasyTribute - Staring At The Sun
Fooly Cooly - Mindless Self Indulgence - Tight
Gigi D'Agostino - Bla Bla Bla
Gigi D'Agostino - The Riddle
Green Leaves - Yatta
G�nter - Ding Dong Song
Haiducii - Dragostea Din Tei
Hellsing - Drowning Pool - Bodies
Lazyboy - Underwear Goes Inside The Pants
Marilyn Manson - Tainted Love
Mario Pianist - Super Mario Brothers
Mario Pianist - Super Mario Brothers 3
Mario Pianist - Super Mario World
Maxwell's Silver Hammer
MC Chris - Boba Fette's Vette
Miss Jane - It's A Fine Day (ATB Remix)
Naruto - Somewhere I Belong (Zabuza & Haku)
Pennywise - Fuck Authority
Pennywise - My God
Pete Shelley - Telephone Operator
Prodigy - Smack My Bitch Up
Radiohead - Paranoid Android
Rammstein - Du Hast
Rurouni Kenshin - U2 - Sunday Bloody Sunday
Strike Anywhere - Infrared
Tenacious D - Fuck Her Gently
Tenacious D - Tribute
The Clash - London Calling
The Greenskeepers - Lotion
Tori Amos - Cornflake Girl
Zladko Vladcik - Elektronik Supersonik


[ News Footage ]

Adam Landau Gets Whacked
Andrew Dice Clay on CNN
Cannonball Run KTLA News - 2004.08.11
Drive By Farting
Fox News Blowjob
FOX31 - Wardriving Report
Gassy News
Killer Lizard
KTLA5 News - 2004.8.11.2200
KTLA5 News - DefCon
News Snowplow
The Daily Show - 2005-02-16 - Blogs
The Daily Show - 2005-05-10 - Cable News Blogs
The Daily Show - Culture of Strife
The Daily Show - Drug War Commercials
The Daily Show - Police State
The Daily Show - Ted Stevens & the Internet
The New Network Called ''Internet''
Tom Brokaw - Bukkake
Topless News Streaker
Traffic Report
Weatherman On Drugs
Weatherman On Drugs.txt
Weatherman With Tourettes
Whale


[ Robot Chicken ]

Robot Chicken - Bird Breakup
Robot Chicken - Brain on Heroin
Robot Chicken - Cuddles Fabric Softener
Robot Chicken - Diary of Anne Frank
Robot Chicken - Falling on the Moon
Robot Chicken - Final Fantasy Fast Food
Robot Chicken - Frogger
Robot Chicken - Grand Larceny Abortionator
Robot Chicken - Great Pumpkin
Robot Chicken - Halo Donkey Kong
Robot Chicken - Happy Birthday Billy
Robot Chicken - Happy Ending
Robot Chicken - Jaws Special Edition
Robot Chicken - Keanu Reeves Sausage
Robot Chicken - Kill Bunny
Robot Chicken - Last Supper Food Fight
Robot Chicken - Logan's Refrigerator Run
Robot Chicken - Noah's Ark
Robot Chicken - Ode To The Nut Shot
Robot Chicken - One Sided Fist Fights
Robot Chicken - Pimp My Sister
Robot Chicken - Ring Dating Service
Robot Chicken - Sailor Moon
Robot Chicken - SciFi Con
Robot Chicken - Se¤or Clean
Robot Chicken - Sponge Bob
Robot Chicken - That 00's Show
Robot Chicken - The Mongoose
Robot Chicken - TiVo
Robot Chicken - Toys of Yesterday
Robot Chicken - Vader & Luke
Robot Chicken - Voltron Gets Served
Robot Chicken - Washing Machine


[ Time Attacks ]

Time Attack - Castlevania (with leet music)
Time Attack - Contra
Time Attack - Donkey Kong
Time Attack - Gradius (using ''speed'' powerup exclusively)
Time Attack - Super Mario Brothers
Time Attack - Super Mario Brothers 2
Time Attack - Super Mario Brothers 3
Time Attack - Tetris (fastest possible 999999 score)

[sammo]

If a torrent of that DVD gets up, I can provide a diff torrent of the things we added to the Defcon CTF video legacy this year...

Please tell me you guys HAVE a copy of the first dvd to torrent. :biggrin:

[dYn4mic]

I was hoping the people that got DVD's would torrent. Last year my friend and I seeded some serious bandwidth for months, we plan on doing it again if soon as I get a torrent and the data.

Big props to you deviant for making the DVD and putting all this great material in one place. Thanks.

[Deviant Ollam]

Big props to you deviant for making the DVD and putting all this great material in one place. Thanks.appreciation for the props, man... but i don't want them to be mis-assigned... i believe there are items in the kenshoto archive that i didn't have. the crazy guy who inflated a condom on his head, for one. heh, but i have a huge, bad-ass music video collection... the choicest and most appropriate parts of which i added to the official filler, so when one door closes another opens. i could, of course, ask to get their version of the filler and do a cross-match, eliminating duplicates and then seeding the whole enchilada. we'll see what people think once the post-con high smoothes a bit and the fog in our brains settles slightly.

[sammo]

appreciation for the props, man... but i don't want them to be mis-assigned... i believe there are items in the kenshoto archive that i didn't have. the crazy guy who inflated a condom on his head, for one. heh, but i have a huge, bad-ass music video collection... the choicest and most appropriate parts of which i added to the official filler, so when one door closes another opens. i could, of course, ask to get their version of the filler and do a cross-match, eliminating duplicates and then seeding the whole enchilada. we'll see what people think once the post-con high smoothes a bit and the fog in our brains settles slightly.

This would be sweet. I especially want the edited Pikachu rapping video... and that Bjork video with the lesbian robots? That's choice.

[jedi]

This would be sweet. I especially want the edited Pikachu rapping video... and that Bjork video with the lesbian robots? That's choice.

I don't know. The video for the cover of that janice joplin song with the two women spanking everyone was pretty damn good.:shock:

[hevnsnt]

I don't know. The video for the cover of that janice joplin song with the two women spanking everyone was pretty damn good.:shock:

:frown: Your search "defcon" did not match any torrents.

[jedi]

:frown: Your search "defcon" did not match any torrents.

you are correct. :redface: I mixed up the video with the song. Here's the joplin cover:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XcHo_S-iHAI

by the boogie pimps. Now to find that other video... :cool:

[hevnsnt]

I. Must. Find. This. DVD.

[sammo]

I. Must. Find. This. DVD.

I'd post this as a quote... but my message must be at least ten characters. :biggrin:

[kenshotobob]

appreciation for the props, man... but i don't want them to be mis-assigned... i believe there are items in the kenshoto archive that i didn't have. the crazy guy who inflated a condom on his head, for one. heh, but i have a huge, bad-ass music video collection... the choicest and most appropriate parts of which i added to the official filler, so when one door closes another opens. i could, of course, ask to get their version of the filler and do a cross-match, eliminating duplicates and then seeding the whole enchilada. we'll see what people think once the post-con high smoothes a bit and the fog in our brains settles slightly.

I fully intend to get these archives synced since you have stuff I'm missing as well. I'll do more on it this weekend, but it would help a ton if I had a copy of the DVD to merge it with. I didn't manage to catch a copy...

btw. Modul8 kicked ass for running the CTF video feeds, I highly recommend it if anyone needs VJ software for OS X.

[Deviant Ollam]

I fully intend to get these archives synced since you have stuff I'm missing as well. I'll do more on it this weekend, but it would help a ton if I had a copy of the DVD to merge it with. I didn't manage to catch a copy...PM me with a drop mailbox and i'll get a copy out to you right away.

[kenshotobob]

you are correct. :redface: I mixed up the video with the song. Here's the joplin cover:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XcHo_S-iHAI

by the boogie pimps. Now to find that other video... :cool:

That's a Jefferson Airplane cover.

[kenshotobob]

I don't know. The video for the cover of that janice joplin song with the two women spanking everyone was pretty damn good.:shock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C11ftLeMjlw

[jedi]

That's a Jefferson Airplane cover.

Doh! My bad. I guess I really need to brush up on my late 60's music library again.

Thanks for the correction.

[jedi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C11ftLeMjlw

And excellent. Thank you kindly.

[kenshotobob]

Doh! My bad. I guess I really need to brush up on my late 60's music library again.

Thanks for the correction.

Heh. No worries. :) It just confused me when I was trying to figure out which video you were asking for. The spanking video link is in the post right after that.

[sammo]

I fully intend to get these archives synced since you have stuff I'm missing as well. I'll do more on it this weekend, but it would help a ton if I had a copy of the DVD to merge it with. I didn't manage to catch a copy...

btw. Modul8 kicked ass for running the CTF video feeds, I highly recommend it if anyone needs VJ software for OS X.

Any update on this thing?

[Deviant Ollam]

Any update on this thing?i thought that i had mailed a DVD out to the person organizing the material but was proven wrong this morning when i found it under a pile of papers. it will go out this afternoon. :smile:

[kenshotobob]

i thought that i had mailed a DVD out to the person organizing the material but was proven wrong this morning when i found it under a pile of papers. it will go out this afternoon. :smile:

No worries, I'm still trying to organize more seeders. Any volunteers?

[sammo]

No worries, I'm still trying to organize more seeders. Any volunteers?

I'm on the MF'er. I don't have a huge amount of bandwidth, but I'll leave it up for awhile.

[renderman]

My hats off to the Kenshoto guys. They did an awesome job on the video's. During the 'Fox & Hound' wireless contest, we setup on one of thier tables. We knew where the target was, but the music, video, and general atmosphere made the work alot more enjoyable (and the amount of boobies being projected helped provide nessecary breaks from the contest).

I've got a couple sites I can see from once things get going.

[hevnsnt]

No worries, I'm still trying to organize more seeders. Any volunteers?

I will seed for awhile, just gimme the details

[Deviant Ollam]

throw virtual bricks at me, everyone. i shot off to the mountains of PA this weekend on a whim and didn't send the DVD to bob before i did so. add three days more of delay to the equasion.

[hevnsnt]

throw virtual bricks at me, everyone. i shot off to the mountains of PA this weekend on a whim and didn't send the DVD to bob before i did so. add three days more of delay to the equasion.

Deviant, do you have an iso of the disc that you could FTP to me or something? I could start the seed now, instead of waiting on the mail and such

[sammo]

throw virtual bricks at me, everyone. i shot off to the mountains of PA this weekend on a whim and didn't send the DVD to bob before i did so. add three days more of delay to the equasion.

I'm going to be a whiney bitch every few days from now until (( I die ) || ( I get this ISO)).

[Deviant Ollam]

i sent out the DVDs a while back to some of the pre-seeders and to kenshotobob. one person (rather far away) let me know the other day that his arrived, so i'm guessing the others did as well by now. progress is being made, people! :biggrin:

[converge]

Ey! .. if you need a seeder, PM me a pipe and I'll suck it down to assist. I'm currently surfing the limits of hosting space.. but a new webserver is in line and I'm researching ways of increasing the bandwidth for upcoming projects.

[kenshotobob]

i sent out the DVDs a while back to some of the pre-seeders and to kenshotobob. one person (rather far away) let me know the other day that his arrived, so i'm guessing the others did as well by now. progress is being made, people! :biggrin:
I got my copy last week and am working on reconciling the contents with what I have.

[sammo]

I got my copy last week and am working on reconciling the contents with what I have.

This would be the ideal situation, so we have *all* the videos from each person.

Any ETA?

[kenshotobob]

This would be the ideal situation, so we have *all* the videos from each person.

Any ETA?

Well. It's mostly merged at this point. And weighs in at a hefty 30GB.
That's mostly because of the music videos that I have at DVD quality encodings at high bit rates. (They play better in the VJ software we were using that way.)

So, what should I do? Release a 30GB torrent? Crunch them down?

[TheCotMan]

Well. It's mostly merged at this point. And weighs in at a hefty 30GB.
That's mostly because of the music videos that I have at DVD quality encodings at high bit rates. (They play better in the VJ software we were using that way.)

So, what should I do? Release a 30GB torrent? Crunch them down?

On the plus side, 30GB would ensure people remain on to seed. ]:>

On the minus side, it might take a while for anyone to complete, and some ISP may have issues with customers "exceeding their allocation" even though no limit of throughput per month is published.

You could script a re-encoding of those large videos, using xvid codec with mencoder and a simple one-liner shell script to automate it.

[converge]

ideally, all the videos should be similarly encoded .. unless specific reasons dictate otherwise..

[Deviant Ollam]

ideally, all the videos should be similarly encoded .. unless specific reasons dictate otherwise..all of mine are XviD with MP3 audio that clock in around 320x240 or 400x300 resolution. if you want, i'll be happy to do a reencode/cleanup of the other clips for you. a batch job like cotman suggested would also do the trick, however.

[sammo]

On the plus side, 30GB would ensure people remain on to seed. ]:>

On the minus side, it might take a while for anyone to complete, and some ISP may have issues with customers "exceeding their allocation" even though no limit of throughput per month is published.

You could script a re-encoding of those large videos, using xvid codec with mencoder and a simple one-liner shell script to automate it.

30GB is pretty big... whatever size it is, I just want a full copy. I don't think I'm that concerned about dvd-quality music videos, but whatever you guys want to do... you're doing it ;)

[kenshotobob]

ideally, all the videos should be similarly encoded .. unless specific reasons dictate otherwise..

Well, my personal copy is definitely not getting reencoded. Nothing like projecting 30 foot high re-compression artifacts. :) But I can take a look at matching up with what Deviant did.

The other reason is that I'm lazy and have already spent far too much time this year messing with video formats.

[litsuka]

Id be interested in a 30gb file. sure it would take a long time but i think it would b e worth it

[jackmama]

As one of the people who has volunteered to help seed this torrent, I don't mind if it's 30 GB. I may begin to mind if I'm the only one out there seeding it, though :)

[litsuka]

As one of the people who has volunteered to help seed this torrent, I don't mind if it's 30 GB. I may begin to mind if I'm the only one out there seeding it, though :)

I'll seed as well, of course!

[Deviant Ollam]

i'd have no problem seeding a 30 gigger, as well.

[theprez98]

My computer at home is doing nothing but crunching units for SETI@Home. Just let me know.

[sammo]

Well, my personal copy is definitely not getting reencoded. Nothing like projecting 30 foot high re-compression artifacts. :) But I can take a look at matching up with what Deviant did.

The other reason is that I'm lazy and have already spent far too much time this year messing with video formats.


This is fine. Do we know anyone that can share high bandwidth for this?

[Dark Tangent]

How about DEF CON?

We have 100Megs Full Duplex connection.

[sammo]

How about DEF CON?

We have 100Megs Full Duplex connection.

Hook it up!

[Dark Tangent]

Hook it up!

How many gigs is it?

I'm building a new media server now, should deploy it by ToorCon if all goes well, so if it is more than 4 gigs or so the old media server will be out of space.

[Gobniu]

I'd be glad to seed a 30 Gig file. As long as I'm not the only one as others have said.

[sammo]

How many gigs is it?

I'm building a new media server now, should deploy it by ToorCon if all goes well, so if it is more than 4 gigs or so the old media server will be out of space.

I don't think it's possible to get it down to 4 gigs. :)

[yamamushi]

I've got quite a bit of free bandwidth I can leech, so I'll be happy to seed if need be.

[kenshotobob]

Awesome, thanks for all the seeder support. I'm getting pretty close to having it all set. I'm going to reencode several videos that are obscenely large, then I just need to find a way to push it to the first seeders.

[TheCotMan]

Awesome, thanks for all the seeder support. I'm getting pretty close to having it all set. I'm going to reencode several videos that are obscenely large, then I just need to find a way to push it to the first seeders.

Make a torrent for the first seeders, and then send them all a forum PM for how to get to the torrent.

[theprez98]

Add me to the list. My bandwidth is wasting away at home.

[remad]

add me to your seeders list. I'll keep it up for a while:biggrin:

[sammo]

add me to your seeders list. I'll keep it up for a while:biggrin:

Yeah, add me to the list too.

[Voltage Spike]

I just need to find a way to push it to the first seeders.

Perhaps someone could explain this to me again: what is the point of creating a batch of early seeders?

It may be useful if the original source doesn't want to seed (i.e., upload exactly one copy and be done with it), and I understand that. If this were the case, then the source should use the frowned-upon method of super-seeding and ensure that the early connecters are reliable (in that they promise to stay online until all of their pieces have been redistributed ... an Availability of at least 2 may be a good indicator).

If the original source does want to seed, then shouldn't we open the whole thing to the public? He can limit his upstream to whatever he chooses and, similarly, choose to disconnect once the Availability is decent.

PS: In case someone gets the wrong idea, I am not volunteering to be a reliable "first seeder" ... I use a laptop as my primary computer. Plus, I've only got about 50 KBps upstream available to me. :smile:

[jur1st]

VS: once we post it, the people seeding will be slammed. Unless you have a lot of upstream bandwidth, it will take forever for even a few seeds to be established. If the few of us in possession of the DVD are ready to go, everyone else will benefit.

[TheCotMan]

Perhaps someone could explain this to me again: what is the point of creating a batch of early seeders?
Didn't we discuss this before? Deja vu! :-)

More...

Last year, it seemed about 4/5ths of the people participatings did not have "open" ports for people to connect to them-- most had incoming SYN traffic filtered away.

Well over half (3/5?) of the users participating only stayed on until they had what they wanted, and then they (probably) switched off the video torrent, and switched over to torrents they did not complete.

A lack of a pre-seeding, would have meant most people would still have been downloading their content from the primary source.

Pre-seeding to 4 or 5 sources which were (eventually) connectable allowed for more people to download torrent content more quickly-- and even then, there were people complaining that the torrent was too slow. (Why was it too slow? See above about number of users not allowing people to connect to them because of filtered SYN packets.)

This is a security-related conference, so again, we will have a much larger group of people who are not connectable, when compared to the average population.

If the initial seeders have "fat pipes" are "reliable to remain online and seed for the long haul" and "are openly connectable by anyone" then we don't "waste" the original source's total throughput on people who:
* Won't stick around to share after they have what they want
* Aren't connectable

It may be useful if the original source doesn't want to seed (i.e., upload exactly one copy and be done with it), and I understand that. If this were the case, then the source should use the frowned-upon method of super-seeding and ensure that the early connecters are reliable (in that they promise to stay online until all of their pieces have been redistributed ... an Availability of at least 2 may be a good indicator).

If the original source does want to seed, then shouldn't we open the whole thing to the public? He can limit his upstream to whatever he chooses and, similarly, choose to disconnect once the Availability is decent.

PS: In case someone gets the wrong idea, I am not volunteering to be a reliable "first seeder" ... I use a laptop as my primary computer. Plus, I've only got about 50 KBps upstream available to me. :smile:

I'm not offering myself for this either. My fast pipe systems have insufficient free space on their drives, and my slow connection with lots of space is way too slow.

[Voltage Spike]

Didn't we discuss this before? Deja vu! :-)

Holy hell. I knew it was familiar, but a quick forum search didn't reveal it. Google, however, found the old thread. You can probably disregard the following as redundant until I re-read what we had to say on the subject last year. :tongue:

once we post it, the people seeding will be slammed. Unless you have a lot of upstream bandwidth, it will take forever for even a few seeds to be established.

I dont see how they will be "slammed". They will have a lot of requests and the data will be distributed wider in the same period of time ... limiting the impact of users dropping out, right?

If the few of us in possession of the DVD are ready to go, everyone else will benefit.

Oh, well if you are doing this through DVD then it makes perfect sense. I was responding more to TheCotMan's comment about pre-distribution using Bit Torrent.

Last year, it seemed about 4/5ths of the people participatings did not have "open" ports for people to connect to them-- most had incoming SYN traffic filtered away.

Hmm, that is an interesting point that I hadn't considered. During the early phases, it can be really unhealthy to have such 1-sided connectedness.

Perhaps if the seeders were not connected ... encourage connectedness in the early phases, ensure priority to those most able to share. I might have to think on that a bit more, but I really like that idea. :smile:

Note, super-seeding works kind of like this: upload a piece to a peer and choke the peer until someone else advertises that piece. It doesn't quite encourage connectedness of that peer, though, as they might merely become a middle-man between the seeder and another connected user.

Well over half (3/5?) of the users participating only stayed on until they had what they wanted, and then they (probably) switched off the video torrent, and switched over to torrents they did not complete.

Assymetric connections can be a bitch ... especially when you consider that seeders give priority to those who can download the fastest (i.e., sharing doesn't enter into it). Is it really going to be slower, though? The leechers are going to arrive anyway.

I see two situations. The first is that we wait until we have multiple seeders and then download at a faster speed. The second is that we download at a slower speed but we don't have to wait for the distribution period. Again, I'm not quite sure which is better.

[TheCotMan]

Holy hell. I knew it was familiar, but a quick forum search didn't reveal it. Google, however, found the old thread. You can probably disregard the following as redundant until I re-read what we had to say on the subject last year. :tongue:
Semi-technical discussions with you Bascule and others is so fun, we get to have delayed-instant replays! ;-)

It is an interesting discussion and topic, so I guess it makes sense that it might have repeat appearances.

If all users were connectable, then issues of "wasted" loads from the primary source can be ignored, as the waste can be marginalized. In such a case, users that only download what they need and leave, only impact the longevity of the torrent, and th speed at which peers can download content.

Given the above paragraph, pre-seeding would make no sense, reguarless of a lack of sharing among users. In this case, these are actually separate issues.

However, once "non-connectable" users are added to the picture, then the addition of these "self-serving greedy users" not only impacts longevity of the torrent, but also impact throughput through "waste" of any content sent to them (especially when viewed from the position of other "non-connectable" users and the content they take from connectable users.) The weak link in the chain becomes the number of "connectable" clients.

How can a protocol be buit in such a way that there is no more overhead, and the source of data does not need to, "trust the client."

I don't see one. If we sacrifice the "no overhead" requirement, then there are ways to have a challange/response between clients that allow for the request of chunks they don't have and don't know about unless they have other chuncks, can prove it, and show that they are connectable. What is even better, is the challange response, can use crypto, with multipart keys, based on the "randomness" of the content being shared. :-)

(In this case, the lack of entropy in the keygen, and risk for attacks based on predictability are not an issue, because access to the information is much cheaper than "intelligent" keyspace searches-- users only need to be connectable and have some data to get priority. :-)

This can be defeated, but from my view, the cost of defeating it (CPU time) is greater than the cost of just playing fair and downloading it. (Even if it was scripted by a single smart person and shared.) If this model works, then the next weakness becomes the implementation.

[Voltage Spike]

Holy hell. I knew it was familiar, but a quick forum search didn't reveal it. Google, however, found the old thread. You can probably disregard the following as redundant until I re-read what we had to say on the subject last year. :tongue:

Okay. Done reading. I can't believe how ignorant I was last year.


Regarding Bit Torrent and UDP

Bit Torrent uses the UDP port for torrentless trackers. It never uses UDP for file distribution.


Regarding TCP hole punching

UDP hole punching exists. It works, and it is fairly widely supported. "Automatic" TCP hole punching does not exist in any equipment I've ever seen. I think that maybe it makes sense for peer-to-peer applications (not just Bit Torrent) even if we don't traditionally require it for most TCP applications (which are server-based).


Regarding Pre-Seeding Versus Super-Seeding

If you think of it in terms of total copies, pre-seeding requires the distribution of n copies (where n is the number of initial seeders) before a copy is available "in the network". Super-seeding requires the distribution of little over 1 copy before a copy is available in the network. Regular seeding will require, on average, a distribution of 1.5 copies (although assymetric leechers can seriously impact this number.


Regarding Pre-Seeding Using Super-Seeding To Connected Peers

For best results, you must be able to organize and communicate with all of the connectable peers ahead of time. Since this isn't really possible (you can only reach a fraction of the ultimately connectable), the idea is good but I believe can be improved.

One benefit, however, is that you can almost completely eliminate leechers off of the initial seeder.


Regarding Super-Seeding Versus Unconnected Seeding

(Note that the two concepts are orthogonal.)

Connected super-seeding introduces a bunch of middle men (unconnected peers) into the equation and should seriously slow down the overall speed in the initial period (especially with the skewed numbers TheCotMan provided).

Unconnected super-seeding may be the way to go. Only those best able to share will get the first pieces and connectable leechers are limited by their upload speed (because they have to share to proceed). In other words, they are contributing to the overall speed and prevented from leeching. Since the best seeders are not in seeding mode , assymetric connections are also pushed out. Or am I missing something?

I also realize that being unconnected can be done by the super-seeder in the application for more control and may, for all I know, already be implemented by some clients.

Remember that true seeders don't discourage assymetric connections since they attempt to distribute copies as wide as possible by giving priority to those best able to download.

If all users were connectable, then issues of "wasted" loads from the primary source can be ignored, as the waste can be marginalized. In such a case, users that only download what they need and leave, only impact the longevity of the torrent, and th speed at which peers can download content.

In case people don't see it, the waste is marginalized through super-seeding.

How can a protocol be buit in such a way that there is no more overhead, and the source of data does not need to, "trust the client."

I don't see one. If we sacrifice the "no overhead" requirement, then there are ways to have a challange/response between clients that allow for the request of chunks they don't have and don't know about unless they have other chuncks, can prove it, and show that they are connectable. What is even better, is the challange response, can use crypto, with multipart keys, based on the "randomness" of the content being shared. :-)

I like my solution of an unconnected super-seeder better. Peers show they are connectable by virtue of the fact that they are connected to the seeder. At this point, peers don't have to prove they have pieces by virtue of the fact that Bit Torrent's natural tit-for-tat algorithms mostly elminate leeching. (I say mostly because unconnected clients without data will still receive a trickle of pieces due to optimistic unchoking.)



PS: Off-topic question (don't I love those?): is it possible that a forum search doesn't reveal the original thread because it was a moved thread? I post the question publically because vBulletin isn't exactly uncommon.

[DaKahuna]

I would love to help with this but my provider blocks everything incoming. I have run network scans against my IP from external sources but nothing gets through to the IP address. Unfortunately there are no other high speed bandwidht providers serving my area that are "affordable."

I have two web sites hosted externally but neither of them come with enough disk space nor, in treading the terms and conditions, do they permit peer to peer.

[Z^2]

I would love to help with this but my provider blocks everything incoming. I have run network scans against my IP from external sources but nothing gets through to the IP address. Unfortunately there are no other high speed bandwidht providers serving my area that are "affordable."

I have two web sites hosted externally but neither of them come with enough disk space nor, in treading the terms and conditions, do they permit peer to peer.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat. Also, I've just discovered the joy of bittorrents in the past three weeks (am waay behind). Where I live, the people don't want me to get anywhere near the router/do anything with the connection, but I am trying to see if I can get a stable connection somewhere on campus (umich) from my office (scouting for one starts tomorrow).

[hevnsnt]

so can we have the .torrent yet?

[sammo]

I think I said earlier in this thread that I was going to be really annoying and post all the time, asking where the torrent is. :wink:

[litsuka]

Wow this thread died off fast..did I miss something?

[Deviant Ollam]

still being worked on. too many folk with too many serious jobs is harshin' our buzz on this. solutions in the works, i assure you... both primary and alternate distribution models.

[signcarver]

Wow this thread died off fast..did I miss something?

Though I expected the answer to be what Deviant Ollam gave I was wondering about it myself but didn't want to bother the people putting it together as I know they have work to do.

As for the torrent, I have an extra pc here detached from my usual network that can help seed but for a 30GB file I think I would have to limit the upstream to probably around 30-50K initially and about half that after a week though it would be fully connected for weeks if necessary. Even at that rate my ISP might have a fit.

There may had been one other reason for this thread and others dieing off as I believe that for the past week or two the "last post" by TheCotMan indicating the drunken banter subforum was closed kind of indicated the DC14/Post DC14 forum was closed as that was what was showing up in the main listing since it was the last post for quite some time. Though I am certain the average forum user knew otherwise it may have prevented some people from posting. There was even a few hours (I thought but after checking it was under 30 minutes) that a new post made it up only to get moved to the contest/event lock picking thread which further made it seem that this section may be closed.

[TheCotMan]

There may had been one other reason for this thread and others dieing off as I believe that for the past week or two the "last post" by TheCotMan indicating the drunken banter subforum was closed kind of indicated the DC14/Post DC14 forum was closed as that was what was showing up in the main listing since it was the last post for quite some time. Though I am certain the average forum user knew otherwise it may have prevented some people from posting. There was even a few hours (I thought but after checking it was under 30 minutes) that a new post made it up only to get moved to the contest/event lock picking thread which further made it seem that this section may be closed.

I should have considered a different title for that thread in Drunken Banter.

The DC14 discussions forums will remain so long as they are being used. Once it is noticed that traffic in the DC14 space is nearly stopped, I'll probably do like last year, and announce a closure as "coming soon" to give people a few weeks. (Last time, I gave it a few weeks, and then extended it and extended it again because people kept using it. :-)

[theprez98]

still being worked on. too many folk with too many serious jobs is harshin' our buzz on this. solutions in the works, i assure you... both primary and alternate distribution models.
You let your real job interfere with the forums? :wink:

[sammo]

I should have considered a different title for that thread in Drunken Banter.

The DC14 discussions forums will remain so long as they are being used. Once it is noticed that traffic in the DC14 space is nearly stopped, I'll probably do like last year, and announce a closure as "coming soon" to give people a few weeks. (Last time, I gave it a few weeks, and then extended it and extended it again because people kept using it. :-)

Let's post the .torrent... then you can close the forums ;)

[Dark Tangent]

So is the torrent available?

[jur1st]

i'm waiting to get the torrent file from Deviant. My media is all set up and ready to go.

[sammo]

i'm waiting to get the torrent file from Deviant. My media is all set up and ready to go.

What are the odds that we're going to get torrent?

[Deviant Ollam]

What are the odds that we're going to get torrent?i've been waiting on the completed .torrent from bob, but everyone seems to have had their ass kicked recently in terms of work and life. i include myself in the group of those who have been off the grid somewhat, actually. however, in an effort to make some forward progress on the matter, i've coordinated with some other people to host a torrent of my half of the video archive. there will be a torrent online in the next couple days (provided i continue to pistol-whip the guy who said he'd do this) which will contain the stuff that was on my DVD which i gave out during the closing ceremony. (this is the reencoded stuff that used to be the DCTV filler and additions to that archive which my people did)

as for the hillarious stuff that the kenshoto people were projecting, that will be included in the .torrent which was the original focus of this thread. those who participate in that one will have (provided my alternate one goes up in a few days) complete files for much of that upon its start which will help greatly with seeding.

more to come soon.

[Deviant Ollam]

<rant>

if chris would let me make an addition to the fucktard hall of fame, this would get my submission... but i think that particular compendium of idiocy is reserved for corporations and institutions as opposed to individuals. however, my ire is peaked and i'm going to go on a mini-rant here.

first, i should note, that this rant is something i'm doing merely to kill time as i remotely fiddle with a few files while compiling and starting the torrent on my own... yes, it will be up and running in moments if we're lucky.

let me regale all of you with the tale of this torrent.

back in the long long ago time, a great man named Tierra ran DefCon TV... amid the offerings of great hacker-friendly movies there were collections of hillarious clips: rare things, banned cartoons, unexpected bloopers, etc. some were famous and had spread virally across the internet in years past, others were almost totally unknown and wowed television audiences at the alexis park.

but not all was good with the clips... some of them were of poor quality, others were in horrid formats. after a summer spent repeatedly organizing, reencoding, and augmenting the videos, deviant and tierra prepared to unleash the newer, better, stronger filler material upon the attendees of DC14.

fate is a curel mistress, however, for we were not afforded the chance to do this. in what was to become a long series of asshattery, the Riviera staff denied DefCon TV its broadcast ability.

thus, after some raucous drunken comments during the closing ceremony, deviant whipped the crowd into a frenzy of expectation with the promise that the filler material would be made available to all... some way, somehow.

then the real horror of the tale began

some associates of mine knew people in new york who made promises of humongous bandwidth available for hosting a torrent seed. all that was needed was for me to get the filler to them. since i was attending a party at their place one night, this didn't seem like too tall a task. i rushed out the door with little time to spare. knowing that i was already late and had a long drive to NYC ahead of me, i refrained from burning a DVD of the content. i knew the files were all on my laptop and figured i'd just transfer them to a server on their LAN when i arrived.

you know how some people are geniuses at coming up with wicked ideas and then have absolutley no fucking ability to get them working properly? yeah, that's the type of people these folks seemed like after the night i had up in New York.

first, they spent at least half an hour trying to give my laptop the ability to talk to their file server. after battling samba and other tools for a while, i simply suggested that we jockey the files up to the server room with removable storage. no one had blank media so burning CD-Rs was out. no one had a large removeable hard drive so that was out. i had a gigabyte USB key. it would have to do. 4.3 GB of files... that's five trips if we didn't use any compression. watching the first load transfer in two minutes' time, i was confident that we'd be in business. that was, until the person who ran the drive upstairs came down to announce that he'd be ready for the second batch in about 25 minutes. yes, it seems that no USB2 ports were on the server. no one tried a different workstation at the place.

after another round of that, people started getting antsy for a different approach. i explained that while what they had wasn't a perfect system, it was at least working. they weren't having it. instead, they opted to try various FTP solutions (none of which worked) and finally file transfer via SSH. they couldn't get my version of PuTTY to play nice with their SSH daemon. they couldn't download a new version onto my laptop (somehow they managed to foul up mozilla in the process)

ultimately i used wget to fetch the latest version... which they still couldn't manage to use to send files around. amid protests over the USB drive solution (which by now would have nearly been finished if they'd just stayed on top of it) i obtained and started up apache32 on my laptop. "here!" i shouted, "there's a web server running on my laptop's IP address... the only thing on it is the filler in the root directory. just run a wget script and be done with it!"

by now guests were arriving and i was helping people tap a keg (which they obtained but didn't know how to operate) and wanted the laptop secured. thus, instead of leaving it out where the USB drive runner could reach it (and where everyone else could spill beer on it) i locked it in someone's room and told their ringleader to just fetch the files from the web server.

a little while into the evening i was told it was all set. i checked. yeah, he didn't use proper recursion on the wget string. the process which had been "complete" for a few hours hadn't gotten more than 20% of the filler.

finally, i went home early the next morning... still with them missing a few files. i stuck the remaining ones on my home web server, telling them to download the fuckers and get the goddamn torrent up.

it took weeks just for them to get around to trying to get the files... which they still managed to foul up. how the hell you fuck up an HTTP download i do not know. someone gave a friend FTP access in order to push the rest to their box. by this point now, however, i have fucking had it.

</rant>

i've done basically 100% of the process thus far without their help, so why break that chain now? i've learned just this very day how to create torrents (due to my affiliation with the sound a pig makes) and will attempt to use this new knowledge here.

there's already a good number of people with the files who are eager (i'm told) to help seed... so we'll see how this goes.

NOTE - this is just the DCTV filler content, not the videos that the kenshoto crew was showing on the wall of the CTF area (although there is some overlap, i'm told... like the hacked GI Joe cartoons are part of my filler archive, as well)

the kenshoto content will be along soon, however, i'm told. those guys don't have the luxury of having no serious job responsibilities like i did this week (most students and faculty were away at various functions).

[Thorn]

<rant>...Damn. That wouldn't be a certain old warehouse off Flushing in Brooklyn, would it?

[TheCotMan]

if chris would let me make an addition to the fucktard hall of fame, this would get my submission.

Email it to tards (the at symbol) fucktardhalloffame (the period goes here) com and see if it appears on http://www.fucktardhalloffame.com/

What's the worst that could happen?

[Deviant Ollam]

ok, there's a chance that at least a dozen things could go wrong with this since it's my first time setting up a public torrent (and my only other experience with creating torrents was two private ones that i made for the very first time earlier today)

feel free to attempt things with this torrent file...

http://deviating.net/filler/defcon_filler.torrent
... if you already have the files, point to their current directory as your download destination and you'll start to seed right away (or, after the few minutes it takes to do a hash-check)

if you want to download, be patient... this is likely going to make my few connections totally assplode until we get a few completed clients up and running elsewhere.

[Gobniu]

So... Um yeah I for one would like to thank Deviant for his dedcation to this... I for one would probably have just said F**K IT a long time ago and given up. So three cheers for Deviant:

Hip...Hip...Hooray
Hip...Hip...Hooray
Hip...Hip...Hooray

[Deviant Ollam]

looks like we've got two or three seeds that are running and about half a dozen people in various stages of completeness. my upstream is pegged at home and at work, but we're going well. :wink:

[Deviant Ollam]

well, first hiccup... there's some corrupt data that somehow made it into the torrent... i'm taking care of it. it doesn't affect all files and will be corrected soon, but yeah... you'll have to re-download some bytes for sure. wish 3+ gigs hadn't already gone out in the few hours i was sleeping.

UPDATE: a new torrent has been created, i'm verifying some CRC data now and trying to get the necessary replacement files out to the seeds (so people don't have to re-fetch the whole thing)

UPDATE2: looks like 94.4% of the data was fine... the remaining data had some corruption. if you're doing a seed from the filler DVDs that i handed out, you have the 100% correct data... if you downloaded during the night from the first torrent, keep what you have and point the new torrent at those files. it will patch up any little fragments where the CRC didn't match and you'll be in business before you know it.

UPDATE3: ok, everything's working again. my home network is currently the one complete seed. my work torrent box is fetching the data it was missing (the data it had in corrupt form) and will be ready in under 2 hours. people are free to fetch the torrent file again (original URL, new file contained therein) and start to SEED if they have the files from pre-torrent allocation. if you want to download please try to contain yourself and wait another couple hours. it's saturday morning and only 9 AM here on the east coast... everyone should still be in bed, anyway.

[Deviant Ollam]

64.142.126.178
85.10.208.17 (this person was disconnected then came back)
68.150.72.48 (this person was disconnected then came back)

these are the people whom you all can thank for slowing down the whole process for the rest of us. while i specifically asked people who were not pre-allocated seeders to wait another two hours, some folks just had to have the files right away. now my home connection's only getting about 10K to my workplace... and the workplace seed won't be fully online for another four hours at least.

UPDATE: two of the four people are no longer pulling from my home cable modem. looks like we'll be good in three hours now.

UPDATE2: now three of the four people are no longer pulling from my home cable modem. heh, this is neat... interactive internet. i make a post and watch my torrent peer list change.

UPDATE3: more people are connecting. we're down to 5 Kb speed to my main seed box at work. fuck everyone.

[TheCotMan]

these are the people whom you all can thank for slowing down the whole process for the rest of us....
If they were connectable, then they should not have has much of an impact. If any of them were NOT connectable, then your effective throughput to your desired destination could be harmed.

UPDATE3: more people are connecting. we're down to 5 Kb speed to my main seed box at work. fuck everyone.
People more than 1 degree away from your hosts would then seek another node when the node they were connected to (the ones talking to you) disconnected. If you were the only one left, then that source would be you.

If we assume the nodes 1 degree of separation from you were all connectable, and the hosts connected to them included non-connectable nodes, when the non-connectable nodes connected to your connectable source, they end up "stealing" throughput from your connectable source. The place you want to send the data would in the worst case (if not connectable) have to wait for a connectable source to appear, and in the best case, hope one of the non-connectable nodes would connect to it, and then have chunks the non-connectable nodes wanted.

If everyone connecting to you was connectable, then any losses in throughput from your source to your destination, could be marginal, with the benefit of multiple source seeds to run interference in case any other users appeared demanding content.

Non-Connectable users are very bad for torrents; they may be worse than people that don't remain available once they finish their download-- depending on the circumstances.

[BenBoosted]

FWIW, I'm on and see only 1 peer (aramaki.shimaro.com) who is 96.9% complete. That # hasn't changed in the past 30 minutes I've been on. I've been getting a constant 100KB/s from that peer. Nobody else has connected for me to upload to.

[Deviant Ollam]

damnit damnit damnit damnit damnit damnit.

my room mate came home and tried to watch something on the workstation where the torrent was seeding. in his quest to queue up some pr0n, he closed µTorrent instead of just minimizing it. arrgh!

i just started it up again. there are still two peers who are connecting to me and slagging my bandwidth (68.150.72.48 and 85.10.208.17) so it looks like another couple hours until the last 1½ % makes it out there.

i've killed my external port for torrenting here at the house, therefore only "connectable" peers can reach me. i did this in the hopes that my work computer (which is connectable, obviously, since it's a seed for many things) would exclusively pull from me.

those two users mentioned above, however, are running in connectable mode and therefore can still reach out and touch home. hence, no one at the moment is pulling from the fast computer (work) since it doesn't have the last 1½ %... and it's not going to have those last few bytes for at least another hour and a half because people keep hammering my home machine.

to repeat (particularly for those few people who are online right now and NOT already seeding) if you'd just get the fuck off of the torrent for a bit, my fast computer would get to 100% and then everyone would be able to pull the full torrent data at much better speeds.

[converge]

dood.. I just woke up and found my client downed, started back up to keep pulling and uploading, but will stop it and re-download the new torrent. Lostboxen WILL SEED ... some day :p

Maybe consider a temp-ban on the IPs still pulling from the old so that folks can start seeding the new? Unloose the ban and they can catch up with the rest of the world... or better yet, ban all except your work computer, then unband when ready to resume.

I will wait for all this to be cleared up before proceeding ;)

[Deviant Ollam]

my work computer is now at 100% and seeding. that would be 66.208.205.194 for anyone who's monitoring their peers and seeds, etc. since it has about four times the upstream as my home machine, i've stopped seeding at home (and resumed all my other torrents which can now operate at regular speeds. i assume i'll start sending and receiving email again, too) :wink:

[Gobniu]

to repeat (particularly for those few people who are online right now and NOT already seeding) if you'd just get the fuck off of the torrent for a bit, my fast computer would get to 100% and then everyone would be able to pull the full torrent data at much better speeds.


Not to be pushy or aything but is it safe to get on the Torrent yet?

Umm yeah so this is moot now so just ignore it. I must have been posting @ about the same time.

[BenBoosted]

I'd say so. I'm connected to 3 peers, 2 of which are seeds. The 3rd is just over 90% complete.

[converge]

I must be missing something.. I downloaded a fresh file from the same link, loaded and am pulling from 1 connectable seed 85.10.208.17 and 0 connectable peers out of 2.

que?

[Deviant Ollam]

I must be missing something.. I downloaded a fresh file from the same link, loaded and am pulling from 1 connectable seed 85.10.208.17 and 0 connectable peers out of 2.

que?perhaps it's some sort of tracker issue. i'm noticing some weirdness, too. ah well, my work computer is seeding well enough at 100 KB/sec for now. some other people also are at 100% so that's helping out.

it's strange, i'll grant you. perhaps something still wrong with people who aren't connectable? the tool i used to create the torrent (completedir) didn't have a provision for multi-tracker... next time i'll try something that supports that.

incidentally, what torrent clients do people like to use? heh, i can see fairly well from the list of connected peers what some people are using... but wouldn't hurt to hear comments here. (there may have been a thread about this already, but perhaps i'm thinking of another forum)

i started out with the original python bittornado, then moved briefly to bitcomet (which hung up a lot and was flaky) then moved to µTorrent (www.utorrent.com) and never looked back. the time before i was using this software is like a distant memory which was recorded off of tv on to a VHS tape which i now keep in a dusty cupboard and never watch. (name that reference and win a free beer at shmoocon)

[converge]

In win32 I've been accustom to Azureus. In linux? I just don't fucking know now... I can't seem to get one single client running reliably under ubuntu for the life of me. I bet these issues wouldn't be present if I just compiled it under slackware. sigh .. stupid packages.

[EricM]

Well guys if you want I'm hosting off of a gigabit connection at this addy if you want to do some heavy pulling. Not that it really matters. 88.198.226.130

[renderman]

As the person at the end of 68.150.72.48, I gotta say a few things Deviant.

I pulled the torrent on Thursday night and it finished by the morning. I saw your note about the bad data and update #2 and dealt with it that morning. I would have gotten to it sooner, but I was asleep.

I stopped the torrent, re-dowloaded the .torrent and restarted the torrent, replacing the bad data, saving me having to redownload the previous 94%.

I was away for the weekend and made sure that the torrent was left seeding for everyone over the weekend. I tried dude, but sorry if something went sideways, it sucks, but in the end it's worked out. If there is something I should know for future, please enlighten us.

[converge]

I think right now torrent pains are abroad for many of us in one way or another .. it'll clear up.

[Deviant Ollam]

I pulled the torrent on Thursday night and it finished by the morning. I saw your note about the bad data and update #2 and dealt with it that morning.you actually did everything properly... i can understand what happened totally.

you had the source material from a DVD i gave you at defcon. you were ready to seed from the get-go.

the original torrent started (with corrupt data) and that overwrote six percent of your source files. that left you at 94% once the new torrent was made available.

you were connected for a moment, then went offline when the new torrent started. (you had observed the initial two hour delay) but we were all collectively dealt a tough break when my stoner roommate closed my torrent client. what should have been a two hour delay was prolonged, thus when others started connecting again (folks who had no way of knowing we weren't in good shape by now) the seeding hadn't completed.

a lot of this is moot, however, since many peers are reporting bursts of bad data coming from my work node. i have a very very strong suspicion that there is a stick of bad RAM in the raid controller there... after a recent upgrade i've been getting a lot of weird file system errors on that file server.

i'm off to try to fix that now, actually. :wink:

no worries and absolutely no had feelings... you were acting responsibly and being a helpful seeder. sorry that my frustration in that moment sort of had a wide radius and a lot of splash damage. you're the last person i'd want to lash out at, my brother.

[sammo]

Thanks to everyone who made this happen, regardless of how long it took ;)

Are there plans for the missing kenshoto material? I actually pulled the available stuff in a couple hours and I'm seeding now, so I don't see how a 30GB torrent would be a problem.

[renderman]

no worries and absolutely no had feelings... you were acting responsibly and being a helpful seeder. sorry that my frustration in that moment sort of had a wide radius and a lot of splash damage. you're the last person i'd want to lash out at, my brother.

No worries, just wanted to calm you down. I knew it was not personal and from frustration, which is why I did'nt reply with what fist crossed my mind :)

Just glad the content is out there now and we could make it happen.

[converge]

.. reply with what fist crossed freud? :p

[renderman]

freud? :p

Pretty close to it :)

[st0rm]

sorry if this makes anyone mad...but which torrent are we exactly talking about ? I talked to converge earlier about the BH and Defcon ones...

are you guys talking about the ones located at http://defcon.lostboxen.net/forums/ please clarify.

Thanks
st.corm

[Deviant Ollam]

which torrent are we exactly talking aboutthis is a torrent of the videos that have historically been played as filler material at defcon, either in between movies and other features on DefCon TV or projected up on walls in the chill out or capture the flag areas. while this year a significantly large new archive of videos was also showed (by the kenshoto guys... and that content is not in this torrent) the old staples were all there and accounted for:

GI Joe Fensler Film edited clips
Spoofed / Banned Commercials
clips of eBaums-style asshattery
anime music videos (and other music videos)
World Rally Cup racing music montages
etc etc etc

the specific content of what is in this filler archive can be found in an earlier post in this very thread (http://forum.defcon.org/showpost.php?p=81176&postcount=5).

[theprez98]

I have a silly question. I downloaded the full file in BitTorrent and it was seeding, sort of. I want to get rid of BitTorrent and replace it with Azureus. However when I try to open the torrent in Azureus to seed, it starts downloading all over again. Is there a way to tell Azureus that I already have the entire thing, and want to start seeding immediately?

[TheCotMan]

I have a silly question. I downloaded the full file in BitTorrent and it was seeding, sort of. I want to get rid of BitTorrent and replace it with Azureus. However when I try to open the torrent in Azureus to seed, it starts downloading all over again. Is there a way to tell Azureus that I already have the entire thing, and want to start seeding immediately?

The common solution for many clients is to either find where the new client is saving its content, and copy the complete directoyr tree of the completed torrent to the same location, overwrite , then start the new clinet. It should check the torrrent against what it has, and then after many seconds, or a few minutes, it shares. Some clients will prompt you with a location to save the torrent results, and you can point it to a copy of your torrent. (It is best to use a copy until you are sure it works.)

[theprez98]

The common solution for many clients is to either find where the new client is saving its content, and copy the complete directoyr tree of the completed torrent to the same location, overwrite , then start the new clinet. It should check the torrrent against what it has, and then after many seconds, or a few minutes, it shares. Some clients will prompt you with a location to save the torrent results, and you can point it to a copy of your torrent. (It is best to use a copy until you are sure it works.)
Alright. I was thinking along those lines but hadn't proceeded that far down the decision tree.

EDIT: Yep, that worked. It opened the torrent, spent a couple minutes checking that everything was correct (actually it redownloaded 0.06%), and then went into the seeding column. Thanks!

[Grendel]

I tried to launch using the deviant.net link, yet I'm getting a msg that the site is down. Any other links I can use to get the download started?

Thanks!

[converge]

A copy of deviant's torrent is now cached on http://torrents.lostboxen.net. Hop in the mud at any time .. now that I halted direct iso downloads from my webserver bandwidth is cracked wide open.

http://torrents.lostboxen.net/%5bdeviant%5ddefcon_13-filler.torrent

I would suspect Mr Ollam is giving his box a workout atm...

[theprez98]

I'm still seeding but I haven't seen any peers lately. Nevertheless I'll leave it for as long as anyone wants it up.

[converge]

Yeah, same here.. I just leave it running. It seems to ebb and flow. Since everything popped back up cowf has pushed 18+ copies of the hash tables, with as many as 7 or 8 peers, and currently two peers for the new and two for the old.

[sammo]

I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who put in the time/effort/bandwidth to make this happen. But I'd like to also blame you for my lack of sleep over the past few days as well.

[Deviant Ollam]

I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who put in the time/effort/bandwidth to make this happen. But I'd like to also blame you for my lack of sleep over the past few days as well.been up late enjoying the content, eh? :biggrin:

[theprez98]

The download went pretty fast on my end. I think the ratio is 1.3 something now but it hasnt changed in a few days. On the other hand the CoWF torrent is not going nearly as fast for whatever reason (even taking into account its size).

[converge]

On the other hand the CoWF torrent is not going nearly as fast for whatever reason (even taking into account its size).

This is disturbing me as well. I observed the following:

1) Announce of new .torrent file -> 3+ Seeds and 3-5 remained seeding the old
2) Several copies of the new torrent completed, all seeds but myself disappeared even though several peers remained
3) Me being the only seed, should have bandwidth pegged by the peers .. in actuality I'm lucky to see 5-10KB/s traffic
4) Seeds for old torrent had dropped to 3 with 1 peer

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So this morning I restarted my tracker thinking it may be some funkiness going on ... but have not seen a change. I inadvertantly left out tracking of the old torrent, so this was not the issue; still no seeds beside myself, same 3 peers slowly progressing but barely touching me.

This follows much success of the new tracker/client setup on my box .. so I'm not sure of the catalyst (or lack of) in this.

[Deviant Ollam]

i've been rebuilding the disk array here at work (finally got it to stop with the bad data and timeout errors) so my seed should be online again tonight or tomorrow. had i remained connected i don't know how helpful i would have been... for a while there people were reporting that their clients would start banning my IP since there were so many bad chunks coming from the box.

[converge]

Interesting enough, I just happened to catch a 4th peer hop onto the CoWF torrent .. and its pulling from me at 120KB/s (room for the other three?) .. so, I *think* the tracker and client are doing ok on my end..

[Z^2]

My CoWF torrent is doing miserably by sporadically downloading at around 5KB/s, yet uploading at around 120 KB/s. I'm confused.

[theprez98]

My CoWF torrent is doing miserably by sporadically downloading at around 5KB/s, yet uploading at around 120 KB/s. I'm confused.

Pretty much the same results here.

[theprez98]

This is disturbing me as well. I observed the following:

1) Announce of new .torrent file -> 3+ Seeds and 3-5 remained seeding the old
2) Several copies of the new torrent completed, all seeds but myself disappeared even though several peers remained
3) Me being the only seed, should have bandwidth pegged by the peers .. in actuality I'm lucky to see 5-10KB/s traffic
4) Seeds for old torrent had dropped to 3 with 1 peer

--

So this morning I restarted my tracker thinking it may be some funkiness going on ... but have not seen a change. I inadvertantly left out tracking of the old torrent, so this was not the issue; still no seeds beside myself, same 3 peers slowly progressing but barely touching me.
I
This follows much success of the new tracker/client setup on my box .. so I'm not sure of the catalyst (or lack of) in this.

I'm seeing about 5-10Kbps downloads with occasional spikes to 30 or so. Generally it goes on for a few minutes or an hour or so...then it stops because there isn't anything else available to download. So it sits there and waits... uploads are much faster, higher than 50Kbps if I don't limit it.

[liberator]

http://deviating.net/filler/defcon_filler.torrent
... if you already have the files, point to their current directory as your download destination and you'll start to seed right away (or, after the few minutes it takes to do a hash-check)

if you want to download, be patient... this is likely going to make my few connections totally assplode until we get a few completed clients up and running elsewhere.

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This torrent has 1 or 2 seeders and peers intermittently appearing, but pretty infrequently. I've been a peer for a couple of weeks now and only about about 17.6%. If anybody can seed it I'd appreciate it.

I'm on a cable modem with only 384K upload speed, but I generally keep it running 24/7 with Bitorrent seeding a bunch of stuff. It's a great use for an old laptop with a broken screen. Silent, low power, etc.

Thanks!

[TheCotMan]

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This torrent has 1 or 2 seeders and peers intermittently appearing, but pretty infrequently. I've been a peer for a couple of weeks now and only about about 17.6%. If anybody can seed it I'd appreciate it.

I'm on a cable modem with only 384K upload speed, but I generally keep it running 24/7 with Bitorrent seeding a bunch of stuff. It's a great use for an old laptop with a broken screen. Silent, low power, etc.

Thanks!

I checked with two sources (100%) that say they have been running continuous for weeks with service to many users initially, but have no users connected to download right now. Once user's client had 500MB moved today, but then no other uploads. The other has not had uploads for about a week. After I asked, they restarted their clients just to be sure there wasn't some other problem.

[liberator]

I checked with two sources (100%) that say they have been running continuous for weeks with service to many users initially, but have no users connected to download right now. Once user's client had 500MB moved today, but then no other uploads. The other has not had uploads for about a week. After I asked, they restarted their clients just to be sure there wasn't some other problem.

OK thanks for the input. I'll see what I can figure out on this side.

I'm now getting the message "Connection Error (ConnectException:Connection refused)". This is regarding the tracker "ibaku.net:8082".

I am getting a good connection on the DHT. So if the seeds are using DHT then I should be able to find them.

Thanks again for the help. Unfortunately I have to do real work today, but I should be able to get back on this problem tonight.

[Deviant Ollam]

This torrent has 1 or 2 seeders and peers intermittently appearing, but pretty infrequently.are the seeders or the peers intermittently appearing? (or both?)

converge and i have been seeding for quite a while now, 24/7. even now, i see three full seeders online and two peers who aren't connecting to me (whether this is due to their being completed or some tracker weirdness i do not know).

i know that my machine is, in fact, configured as connectable from the outside so that can't be the issue. maybe other seeds have that difficulty.

[TheCotMan]

I'm now getting the message "Connection Error (ConnectException:Connection refused)". This is regarding the tracker "ibaku.net:8082". .

I thought the initial tracker for the video filler as linked by Deviant Ollam and converge was thepiratebay. Where did you get your torrent file?

If I recall correctly, wasn't ibaku the tracker for the DC13 filler torrent?

DC13 filler torrent != dc14 filler torrent.

[Deviant Ollam]

I thought the initial tracker for the video filler as linked by Deviant Ollam and converge was thepiratebay. Where did you get your torrent file?

If I recall correctly, wasn't ibaku the tracker for the DC13 filler torrent?

DC13 filler torrent != dc14 filler torrent.oh, that's right... i didn't notice that in the original post. no one really needs to download the DC13 filler, anyway, since it's almost all part of the DC14 content. i took all the old (DC13 and prior) material, discarded the few clips that were either hopelessly corrupted or not worthwhile content (do we really need to see jason alexander's fat ass talking about the greatness of mcdonald's hamburgers?), then reencoded all the remaining ones into proper formats (no more WMVs, etc)

added to this were a ton of new items, many of which were put together to complete partial archives (like the edited GI Joe clips) so by getting the DC14 filler (the torrent for which is still running fine) you get the improved and cleaned up DC13 filler plus much more.

[theprez98]

are the seeders or the peers intermittently appearing? (or both?)

converge and i have been seeding for quite a while now, 24/7. even now, i see three full seeders online and two peers who aren't connecting to me (whether this is due to their being completed or some tracker weirdness i do not know).

i know that my machine is, in fact, configured as connectable from the outside so that can't be the issue. maybe other seeds have that difficulty.

I've been seeding too, but mine is definitely intermittent. I'm having some problems with the desktop at home and not being there is a major PITA as far as keeping it running.

[Z^2]

I have a box that's pretty much constantly seeding the cowf, bh2006, dc14, and dc_filler, and it will continue doing so until...well, as long as I still see activity every couple of days. However, my client tells me no information is avaliable on seeders/leachers for the dc_filler, which leads me to believe that no-one else is seeding/downloading, which seems wrong in comparison to the past couple of posts on this thread...even after restarting things on my end.

[liberator]

I thought the initial tracker for the video filler as linked by Deviant Ollam and converge was thepiratebay. Where did you get your torrent file?

If I recall correctly, wasn't ibaku the tracker for the DC13 filler torrent?

DC13 filler torrent != dc14 filler torrent.

AHA! OK, thanks for the clarification. I went back a couple of pages in this thread and found the new filler torrent. All appears to be well.

I'll be seeding the various BH & DC torrents for the forseeable future. My U/L speed is so limited that it may not be of great use, but I will keep it going.

Thanks again.

[converge]

.. no one really needs to download the DC13 filler, anyway, since it's almost all part of the DC14 content. ah ha! I incorrectly labelled this current torrent as the DC13 filler .. I didn't realize the added content! Will update stuffs asap. TheCotMan is correct, Deviant's current filler torrent that appears to be chugging along fine .. has a tracker at thepiratebay.org. If your tracker is showing elsewise, you may have the wrong torrent, or a modified torrent.

I still only have approximately 76% confidence in my current setup. At times my bandwidth will be saturated with seeds, while others (like now) I only have one or two folks connecting but they are limited to something insanely low like 2-5KB/s.. for no good reason. I'm growingly suspicious of my firewall rules.. but they were set up as very basic rules and the only variable that has changed since proper functionality is the client end.. *scratches head*

Mucho thanks to all that are seeding these along for extended periods. Here's what my tracker shows since I last restarted it (2006.10.19):

CoWF Hash Tables (29 complete) with 4 seeds and 3 peers atm
Defcon 14 ISO (5 complete)
Defcon 13 Audio (4 complete, trumping video.. odd consdering that video was inversley as popular when it first started)
Blackhat ISOs at 4 complete each for 2004/2005, with 2006 champing at 8 complete
Blackhat audio/video runs in at 5 and 6 complete respectively
Haxxxor Vol 1 still maintains more downloads than CoWF Warglue Decommission, but not by much (numbers purposefully left out)
All others have 1-2 completed, but seem to be less interesting to folks. It took a while for someone to take interest in the Mezonic Agenda, while 3 completed the download of the DC10 CTF image (this is the vmware image blue team received to defend, for those that haven't figured out)

[Deviant Ollam]

i just did a test and started a brand new pull of the DC14 filler torrent on a residential PC and it immediately saw 6 seeds and started downloading at just over 60 KB/sec (looks like i'm getting 20 KB/s from three of them an a trickle from two of the others)

now that we've got that all solid and sorted out, maybe someone can prod along brother Bink so that we might have whatever was recorded from this year's DJ action / B&W ball / minibosses sets.

[Gobniu]

Just to warn everybody I'm seeding but I do Pop in and out (mostly on Tuesday and Thursday about 2PM - 11PM Arizona time and Saturday mornings). This is due to my school schedule and not having any other boxes set up at the moment besides my laptop. Plus all the data is on an external drive that needs a rest every once and a while. (I can't exactly afford much else right now)