Quality of Life on the Net

[handle02]

Re: Quality of Life on the Net

ahh but science is standing on the shoulders of giants. who knows what kind of discovery's might have been lost due to informational "stinginess". if we all decided that we weren't going to teach each other anything because we were all afraid that we all had different moral outlooks (which we do), then there would be no hacker cons, forms, newsgroups, meetings, spaces, hell we may not even have a reason to communicate at all.

im not so sure flat denial is the answer here, i think this is one of those things where people simply have to agree to let each person make there own judgments on when and when not to teach what they know and not give them grief about it simply because you have a different opinion, anything else seems rather morally presumptuous.

This is absolutely true. Everyone is entitled to their own decision, and I'd like to clarify what I meant to prevent further misunderstanding.

I, just like many others, have had my mentors. Without them I wouldn't be where I am today, so I do believe that knowledge should be shared with the right people under the right circumstances.
Having said that, I don't believe that sharing information with someone who wants to "hack myspace" or "hack yahoo" etc... just to get revenge on some kid that pulled their pants down in arithmetic should be given the information. I think it's selfish and disrespectful when they ask and then throw a fit when they don't get what they wanted.

[Vyrus]

Re: Quality of Life on the Net

In my opinion, we should keep our knowledge to ourselves. We've worked hard for it; most of us have dedicated years to learning what we know, and for someone to walk in and expect me to hand them that information indicates a disrespect for everything I've worked toward. /my personal opinion

ahh but science is standing on the shoulders of giants. who knows what kind of discovery's might have been lost due to informational "stinginess". if we all decided that we weren't going to teach each other anything because we were all afraid that we all had different moral outlooks (which we do), then there would be no hacker cons, forms, newsgroups, meetings, spaces, hell we may not even have a reason to communicate at all.

im not so sure flat denial is the answer here, i think this is one of those things where people simply have to agree to let each person make there own judgments on when and when not to teach what they know and not give them grief about it simply because you have a different opinion, anything else seems rather morally presumptuous.

[handle02]

Re: Quality of Life on the Net

if so who decides what these malicious activity are?

That's the problem, not everyone has the same morals. The Judeo-Christian morals that lawmakers and polititions *claim* to have doesn't match the views of many other people with different religious, moral, and social views.

What's right and what's wrong?
Well, if we wanted to make everyone happy, everything would be right, and everything would be wrong; which is an anomoly, and brings us back to the original question: Who decides what's malicious?
-Those con men that run the government.

In my opinioin, we should keep our knowledge to ourselves. We've worked hard for it; most of us have dedicated years to learning what we know, and for someone to walk in and expect me to hand them that information indicates a disrespect for everything I've worked toward. /my personal opinion

[Vyrus]

Re: Quality of Life on the Net

But there are those in the government that want to do exactly what you said. Prosecute people that sell guns to 'bad' people, prosecuting people who give out potentially harmful information isn't a far step off.

and im not too big of a fan of that idea ether ;)

im simply pointing out that fear of a person isn't a good enough reason to throw away his or her rights in the eyes of the constitution. there is something to be said for general safety but often times when topics of "those with power" come up in conversation (guns, hacking, explosives, fighting, drugs, biochemistry and cloning, social engineering, etc...) people seem to forget that there right to swing there fist ends where the tip of my nose starts, fear is not a blanket excuse.

Vyrus nice to see there is another GITS fan in here. :-)

hehe well i wasn't actually TRYING to reference anything from that but i guess if the shoe fits ;)

[SarperDomain]

Re: Quality of Life on the Net

Vyrus nice to see there is another GITS fan in here. :-)

[streaker69]

Re: Quality of Life on the Net

is it though? to me, information is like a gun, it is a personification of power, tons of people in this world posses them but only SOME choose to use them for "bad" reasons. in the end good and evil are relative, is the vigilante who commits murder to kill a cereal killer a "bad man" and if he is, who are "we" to pass judgment, do we blame the person who sold the "vigilante" the gun because "he was gona do something bad with it?" would we all not have a problem with fry asking me what i was gona DO with my computer before i bought it to be sure i wasnt up to "malicious activity", if so who decides what these malicious activity are?

knowledge is a tool like anything else, restricting who has access to it because you judge there motives as being "wrong" is still relative

But there are those in the government that want to do exactly what you said. Prosecute people that sell guns to 'bad' people, prosecuting people who give out potentially harmful information isn't a far step off.

[Vyrus]

Re: Quality of Life on the Net

This kind of relates here:

http://www.itexaminer.com/indian-muj...hack-wifi.aspx

One good reason to not just blindly hand information over, as you never quite know who you're handing it over to.

is it though? to me, information is like a gun, it is a personification of power, tons of people in this world posses them but only SOME choose to use them for "bad" reasons. in the end good and evil are relative, is the vigilante who commits murder to kill a cereal killer a "bad man" and if he is, who are "we" to pass judgment, do we blame the person who sold the "vigilante" the gun because "he was gona do something bad with it?" would we all not have a problem with fry asking me what i was gona DO with my computer before i bought it to be sure i wasnt up to "malicious activity", if so who decides what these malicious activity are?

knowledge is a tool like anything else, restricting who has access to it because you judge there motives as being "wrong" is still relative

[Voltage Spike]

Re: Quality of Life on the Net

Off topic...

I even tried that Army speed reading experiment where you take a document, convert it to text, then import it into this special reader which flashes one word at a time in rapid succession on the screen. They say it helps you read faster because you don't lose your place and it's easier on the eyes not having to search and follow the text.

For those curious what the heck he is talking about, the technique is known as Rapid Serial Visual Presentation, or often just RSVP, and I've never heard of the Army using it (although I wouldn't rule it out). I believe it was originally intended to help study how the human visual system worked, but most of the current research seems to be geared toward reading a lot of text on a limited display (such as a mobile phone).

There are quite a few tools out there (including midlet generators) for those wishing to experiment with it. I personally have not tried it, but I would love to hear other's experiences (especially from those that read a lot).

[streaker69]

Re: Quality of Life on the Net

This kind of relates here:

http://www.itexaminer.com/indian-muj...hack-wifi.aspx

One good reason to not just blindly hand information over, as you never quite know who you're handing it over to.

[streaker69]

Re: Quality of Life on the Net

I can't tell you how many times I've sat there reading mind numbing IT material and wished that I could just suck the information right out of the book. I'm an audio visual person so I really don't like to read. I even tried that Army speed reading experiment where you take a document, convert it to text, then import it into this special reader which flashes one word at a time in rapid succession on the screen. They say it helps you read faster because you don't lose your place and it's easier on the eyes not having to search and follow the text.

I liked how the school kids learned in THX-1138.

xor

Something should be developed the same way they teach Keanu Reeves his lines for movies, just plug a line in the back of your head and download the data.

...and here you though the Matrix and Johnny Mnemonic were fantasy, he really does have a jack like that in his head, unfortunately it can only download the words, not actual acting ability.

[xor]

Re: Quality of Life on the Net

I put hacking books under my pillow at night so the knowledge within seeps into my brain while I sleep.

I can't tell you how many times I've sat there reading mind numbing IT material and wished that I could just suck the information right out of the book. I'm an audio visual person so I really don't like to read. I even tried that Army speed reading experiment where you take a document, convert it to text, then import it into this special reader which flashes one word at a time in rapid succession on the screen. They say it helps you read faster because you don't lose your place and it's easier on the eyes not having to search and follow the text.

I liked how the school kids learned in THX-1138.

xor

[Greyhatter]

Re: Quality of Life on the Net

So far it's work, except it does have it's drawbacks. I put War & Peace there one time and didn't wake up for 2 weeks.

How tragic! Put this one under your pillow and letz see how that goes.

[streaker69]

Re: Quality of Life on the Net

Good luck with that Streaker. It may work better if you remove the hat first. ;~)

So far it's work, except it does have it's drawbacks. I put War & Peace there one time and didn't wake up for 2 weeks.

[Greyhatter]

Re: Quality of Life on the Net

I put hacking books under my pillow at night so the knowledge within seeps into my brain while I sleep.

Good luck with that Streaker. It may work better if you remove the hat first. ;~)

[streaker69]

Re: Quality of Life on the Net

People constantly expect that because something is easy for you it's therefore easy for them. They expect you to be able to impart by osmosis all your years of formal & self education as well as your experience by simply touching them on the shoulder. It just doesn't work like that. Simple is the exception, pain in the butt difficult is the rule.

I put hacking books under my pillow at night so the knowledge within seeps into my brain while I sleep.