Hacking how dangerous can it get to the public?

[AgentDarkApple]

Re: Hacking how dangerous can it get to the public?

Be careful when viewing this... http://www.fas.org/

Why the warning? Because they sneak classified and FOUO stuff on there before it has been officially made public?

[theprez98]

Re: Hacking how dangerous can it get to the public?

Be careful when viewing this... http://www.fas.org/

Why the warning? Because they sneak classified and FOUO stuff on there before it has been officially made public?

Yeah, I'd like to know why as well.

[valkyrie]

Re: Hacking how dangerous can it get to the public?

Why the warning? Because they sneak classified and FOUO stuff on there before it has been officially made public?

Please avoid from making wholesale statements of this nature. *sigh* FOUO and classified information is not commonly made "public." Information in these two classes is normally governed by "need to know" and in the case of the latter class, security clearances and a "need to know." A citizen may request information of this nature by FOIA requests. Even then the information requested may be heavily sanitized. If FOUO or classified information is being leaked by a media outlet, then I am pretty confident that men in shabby suits and dark sunglasses will be knocking upon their door.

Regards,

valkyrie
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sapere aude

[AgentDarkApple]

Re: Hacking how dangerous can it get to the public?

Please avoid from making wholesale statements of this nature. *sigh* ...If FOUO or classified information is being leaked by a media outlet, then I am pretty confident that men in shabby suits and dark sunglasses will be knocking upon their door.

Regards,

valkyrie
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sapere aude

I think it is a rumor that FOUO and classified stuff is on there because I haven't seen any of it, and I use that site a lot for research. Still waiting for why Decrevi even said to "be careful"...

[shrdlu]

Re: Hacking how dangerous can it get to the public?

I think it is a rumor that FOUO and classified stuff is on there because I haven't seen any of it, and I use that site a lot for research. Still waiting for why Decrevi even said to "be careful"...

Well, it's a silly and stupid rumor. "For Official Use Only" (FOUO) is a term that gets thrown on many documents that may or may not deserve it. I have stuff on my computer that says it (I point out that the designation is on the sample security plan from DCID 6/3, so don't get excited). Still, the implication that the very respected FAS group would ever host classified material on a public server is just wrong. Wrong wrong wrong.

Direct from the horse's mouth:

The Federation of American Scientists (FAS) was founded in 1945 by scientists who had worked on the Manhattan Project to develop the first atomic bombs. These scientists recognized that science had become central to many key public policy questions. They believed that scientists had a unique responsibility to both warn the public and policy leaders of potential dangers from scientific and technical advances and to show how good policy could increase the benefits of new scientific knowledge.

...and...

With 84 Nobel Laureates on its Board of Sponsors, FAS provides timely, nonpartisan technical analysis on complex global issues that hinge on science and technology. Priding itself on agility and an ability to bring together people from many disciplines and organizations, the organization often addresses critical policy topics that are not well covered by other organizations.

Timely. Nonpartisan. Technical. Really.

Oy. This kind of stuff makes my head hurt. I need more coffee...

[theprez98]

Re: Hacking how dangerous can it get to the public?

Wikileaks FTW!

[valkyrie]

Re: Hacking how dangerous can it get to the public?

I think it is a rumor that FOUO and classified stuff is on there because I haven't seen any of it, and I use that site a lot for research. Still waiting for why Decrevi even said to "be careful"...

Then may I gently suggest that you don't buy the lie and rumor monger yourself?

Back to your research. Found anything of interest that was not a rumor? I know that Thorn's recent post was most enlightening...

Regards,

valkyrie
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sapere aude

[AgentDarkApple]

Re: Hacking how dangerous can it get to the public?

valkyrie, I just saw what Thorn posted. I have already turned in my rough draft, but I should be able to add in some info from the article he gave me since the final draft is not due until the end of this week. I found a lot of good info, and the Information Warfare book you suggested ended up being one of the best sources. Basically all the suggestions given in the thread were helpful, and I was able to structure it to fit the information assurance focus of my class. I defined information warfare and cyber terror but tried to avoid the use of other "cyber" terms that aren't particularly accurate (unless the author that I cited had used those terms). I applied several military theories to information warfare/information assurance and gave examples of the types of attacks that seem plausible. I mentioned some of the known efforts of the US govt and mil to move forward with "cyber" security and technology-based information warfare efforts. The icing on the cake was that I got to interview Winn Schwartau on Skype, and he gave me a lot of good info. I'm hoping the prof will grade my paper soon after I turn it in so I can share it on here. I have been saving various articles that I've found since finishing the rough draft, but since I currently have 18 pages (8-10 was the requirement lol) I may have to save a lot of it for another paper. Plus I have had to work on papers for my other two classes - writing about DDoS Attacks for my Computer & Network Security class and about Honeypots for my Attack & Defense class.

[valkyrie]

Re: Hacking how dangerous can it get to the public?

valkyrie, I just saw what Thorn posted. I have already turned in my rough draft, but I should be able to add in some info from the article he gave me since the final draft is not due until the end of this week. I found a lot of good info, and the Information Warfare book you suggested ended up being one of the best sources. Basically all the suggestions given in the thread were helpful, and I was able to structure it to fit the information assurance focus of my class. I defined information warfare and cyber terror but tried to avoid the use of other "cyber" terms that aren't particularly accurate (unless the author that I cited had used those terms). I applied several military theories to information warfare/information assurance and gave examples of the types of attacks that seem plausible. I mentioned some of the known efforts of the US govt and mil to move forward with "cyber" security and technology-based information warfare efforts. The icing on the cake was that I got to interview Winn Schwartau on Skype, and he gave me a lot of good info. I'm hoping the prof will grade my paper soon after I turn it in so I can share it on here. I have been saving various articles that I've found since finishing the rough draft, but since I currently have 18 pages (8-10 was the requirement lol) I may have to save a lot of it for another paper. Plus I have had to work on papers for my other two classes - writing about DDoS Attacks for my Computer & Network Security class and about Honeypots for my Attack & Defense class.

How delicious that Winn chatted with you. Danny K. can give you insight into DDoS, though there are many others on here who can do so with a different perspective. Honey pots? Well, Lance was doing that a bit ago, but I am sure you are savvy enough to find those who can assist you in all areas of your studies. I hope for you the best of your research. I am looking forward to seeing your research paper(s) that you are willing to share.

Regards,

Valkyrie
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sapere aude

[AgentDarkApple]

Re: Hacking how dangerous can it get to the public?

How delicious that Winn chatted with you. Danny K. can give you insight into DDoS, though there are many others on here who can do so with a different perspective. Honey pots? Well, Lance was doing that a bit ago, but I am sure you are savvy enough to find those who can assist you in all areas of your studies. I hope for you the best of your research. I am looking forward to seeing your research paper(s) that you are willing to share.

Regards,

Valkyrie
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sapere aude

Thanks! I'm about halfway done with the DDoS one. We had to meet a few requirements - explaining the attack, giving at least two examples of a successful occurrence of the type of attack we chose to research, then analyzing the examples and giving suggestions for how to prevent the attacks. I used the recent attacks targeting Cyxymu (mainly the part about Twitter) as one example, and I'll likely use the July attacks on US govt websites as the other. I am still trying to find more info on that one so I can do the analysis part.

I have only done a couple pages of the paper on Honeypots - just not as interesting to write about as they are to implement lol. Here is a link to a paper on Wireless Security that I did last semester for my LAN technologies class https://files.me.com/agentdarkapple/lac2vy Got 100% on it, although I'm sure people here who are experts would have taken a much different approach. Not the best paper I've ever done, but it had been three years since I last had to write a paper for a class. Plus I had to include certain stuff to meet the paper requirements.

I appreciate info, suggestions, tales of experience, etc. for the papers I am still writing (if anyone wants to share). And I'll still be collecting stuff about information warfare even after that paper has been graded, because I am truly interested in the subject.

[RTKsbox35]

Re: Hacking how dangerous can it get to the public?

A current member of my schools IT department stated this earlier this year, "look at me I am a hacker I know how to use IRC-Bot". The context of the discussion was that (in his opinion) botnets were not a real threat and that the deployment of such technologies was by no means a feat of technological savy. Although I do agree that the mass majority of botnet "commanders" are kids who are working off of infected computers (with all the free botnet creation tools that include insta-RAT downloads of various kinds, (I currently have two of my computers purposefully infected as part of the research I am doing BTW). This quote hit me really hard because it was from someone actively working as an Admin, I do not understand how he could not have a grasp on the level of sophistication and lucrative nature of some of the more sophisticated bots...how they could be a threat to the school network...or how not EVERY BOT uses IRC. So am I crazy or is he? we debate this topic pretty rigorously, I feel a good botnet is a destructive force to be reckoned with, current defensive measures fall short of what is needed, and that this is really a bad stance to take as a working IT member. Am I alone on this? I just returned from Thailand... botnet central... a dream come true for those in need of "discount hardware and software" and lax gov regulations. I could have a bias for that reason but really want to see what others think. I will head the warning by Decrevi. Thnx for those who PMed me in response to earlier posts.
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[RTKsbox35]

Re: Hacking how dangerous can it get to the public?

What the fuck is with everyone coming here, asking for help on their homework/research papers?

Can't speak for everyone, but some of us get our internet usage overly monitored. It helps to have a few research related posts to justify getting around school internet usage mandates that contain downloading faulty software and not visiting specific websites usually helps in the realm of diplomacy...marginally(have not been written up for this yet). Also going to an liberal arts school in the middle of no where makes finding those who hold some of your less openly shared ventures a tad bit more difficult. On the bright side it makes the flight to L.V seem like a glimpse into what the world could be like everyday if life was different. Personal response, can't speak for others.
Did not mean to burden you with my situation, it just sucks when you go to a school that fines you 150$ for setting up an access point(even if you use their wifi and just want better connectivity), ban internet and lab usage if you get your own service, and the most conservative view of what constitutes "appropriate internet usage" on the planet. O did I mention a kid at my school had to go "register" having a vulnerability scanner on his computer...he works as an intern for an I.T company....

[Thorn]

Re: Hacking how dangerous can it get to the public?

In the future, if you are going to make two (or more) sequential posts, don't - it's against the Rules. Rather, merely edit the first post. And if you do make duplicate posts, please delete the second. Thanks.

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Did not mean to burden you with my situation, it just sucks when you go to a school that fines you 150$ for setting up an access point(even if you use their wifi and just want better connectivity), ban internet and lab usage if you get your own service, and the most conservative view of what constitutes "appropriate internet usage" on the planet. O did I mention a kid at my school had to go "register" having a vulnerability scanner on his computer...he works as an intern for an I.T company....

Geez, do you want cheese with that whine? If you don't like the rules, go to a different school.

[Salvia]

Re: Hacking how dangerous can it get to the public?

Lol, when it comes to me, your friends are right... I don't really give a shit about your logs, or your account info, I'm not going to steal your credit card numbers, I'm not going to steal your passwords, I'm not going to steal any of your information... However what I will do, is find your IP, get your service provider's info, find your phone number, spoof my number to appear as the number to your ISP, trick you into handing over your username and password to your computers admin account. After this I might install one of many virus's & worms I have made. It's not about your information... to me, its about fucking your shit up. Fucking it up to the point where you can't even repair it. It serves no purpose, except to annoy you. So a message to all you computer noobs out there, who think your hackers just because you seen a movie or two, because you read a website or two, because you can get into the hidden admin account under safemode in windows (so amature, not even hacking), because you connected to your neighbors wifi signal to steal internet... this is for you... DON'T GIVE OUT YOUR EF'ING USERNAME & PASSWORD NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCE!

[HighWiz]

Re: Hacking how dangerous can it get to the public?

Lol, when it comes to me, your friends are right... I don't really give a shit about your logs, or your account info, I'm not going to steal your credit card numbers, I'm not going to steal your passwords, I'm not going to steal any of your information... However what I will do, is find your IP, get your service provider's info, find your phone number, spoof my number to appear as the number to your ISP, trick you into handing over your username and password to your computers admin account. After this I might install one of many virus's & worms I have made. It's not about your information... to me, its about fucking your shit up. Fucking it up to the point where you can't even repair it. It serves no purpose, except to annoy you. So a message to all you computer noobs out there, who think your hackers just because you seen a movie or two, because you read a website or two, because you can get into the hidden admin account under safemode in windows (so amature, not even hacking), because you connected to your neighbors wifi signal to steal internet... this is for you... DON'T GIVE OUT YOUR EF'ING USERNAME & PASSWORD NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCE!

Put the crack pipe down...