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  • Deviant Ollam
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    Originally posted by xor View Post
    Thinking of something like this only with more sensors. ... http://www.cargotemp.com/index.htm
    there was a fella who did that, went by the name of Algamore... but his site appears to be down. google for "Bag Cam" and his name to see what remains out there of his work.

    Originally posted by Rhenium View Post
    Epic story from the road, I could see this being part of a novel
    heh, let me finish delivering my manuscript to Syngress before i work on that one, ha.

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  • Rhenium
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    Deviant,

    Epic story from the road, I could see this being part of a novel.:)

    Rhenium

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  • xor
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    Thinking of something like this only with more sensors.

    xor

    http://www.cargotemp.com/index.htm

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  • xor
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    I just got up, it's Saturday and I like to sleep late on Saturday, that said I suggest developing a suit case cam. Use laptop batteries, with a battery arrangement that doesn't look like dynamite, or C4, powering a DVR, and a small camera with a bubble lens attached to the lid of the case. You might not capture everything that happens, but you could capture enough to make a case.

    Applying Occam's razor to the problem, I'm just wondering if some of Dev's cases aren't packed to the gills. With Dev being the leet traveler that he is, I'm sure he has gotten very good at getting the most he can out of his suit case. The inspection staff may simply have a quota of time, to spend per suit case, mandated by the union, the airline, and their government masters. Once they rifle through it, they may simply not be able to fit everything back in the way it was, in the time allowed. So what appears like theft, is simply poor planning, and execution of the inspection protocol.

    xor

    I would be willing to make a small equipment donation toward the luggage cam just to see.
    Last edited by xor; February 27, 2010, 14:34.

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  • beakmyn
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    I wonder if you can get a similar size case with a "rolled lip" where the lip overhangs the top edge just enough to basically make it impossible to introduce a prying tool.

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  • sintax_error
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    Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post
    not after this most recent trip. i'll post photos when i'm finished with the newest modifications. at this point, i'm just making the most indestructible luggage i can think of (on the cheap) in an attempt to cause no end of infuriation to anyone who might ever try to cut into it.

    they'll literally have to torch or otherwise completely fucking destroy the luggage and some of its contents if they want to get in once i'm done.
    From what I've seen of your cases, the hinges are the only real point of unauthorized access. Other than that, perhaps a few spot welds and a steel plate to prevent the lid from being pried easily. But yes, try not to make something they will nuke from orbit. That might just get you paged to a back room every time you travel.

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  • streaker69
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    Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post
    not after this most recent trip. i'll post photos when i'm finished with the newest modifications. at this point, i'm just making the most indestructible luggage i can think of (on the cheap) in an attempt to cause no end of infuriation to anyone who might ever try to cut into it.

    they'll literally have to torch or otherwise completely fucking destroy the luggage and some of its contents if they want to get in once i'm done.
    Careful that you don't design something that they'll nuke from orbit, just to be sure.

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  • Deviant Ollam
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    Originally posted by streaker69 View Post
    An angle grinder on the hinges and you're in.
    not after this most recent trip. i'll post photos when i'm finished with the newest modifications. at this point, i'm just making the most indestructible luggage i can think of (on the cheap) in an attempt to cause no end of infuriation to anyone who might ever try to cut into it.

    they'll literally have to torch or otherwise completely fucking destroy the luggage and some of its contents if they want to get in once i'm done.

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  • streaker69
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    Originally posted by beakmyn View Post

    But it is quite funny to see that case with all the pry marks. Boy I would've loved to seen that go down. I'm assuming that it spent some time in a maintenance shop and there was quite a bit of swearing and bruised knuckles. :)
    One can only hope. But I bet if it were in the maintenance shop, they would have gotten into it. An angle grinder on the hinges and you're in. That has all the signs of them grabbing whatever they had available and then giving up after a couple of broken screwdriver heads and pinched fingers as they tried to peer inside the pried lid.

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  • beakmyn
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    This now puts UPS/FEDEX higher up on my list when traveling abroad. I'm just happy I don't have to carry as much stuff as you do.

    The sad truth is that you will never get an answer as no one is going to own up to fscking up this badly. Getting the word out will be the best thing. Likewise everyone (FAA, TSA, Quasi gov't agencies, airlines) involved is in the clear because no one knows. They'll just keep passing the buck and you'll never get a real name as I've found in the past that they use pseudonyms just as often as we do.

    But it is quite funny to see that case with all the pry marks. Boy I would've loved to seen that go down. I'm assuming that it spent some time in a maintenance shop and there was quite a bit of swearing and bruised knuckles. :)

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  • Gadsden
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    Call Fox news and tell them you smuggled in a dirty bomb. When the media frenzy starts up the the press gets fed the scapegoats hilarity shall ensue and heads shall roll. Then when they come to arrest you for your smuggling crime show them a blow-up sex doll and say "no.. I said I smuggled a DIRTY BLOND in my luggage.."

    -Gadsden

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  • kallahar
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    I get two things:
    1) Airline security is theater. I think we all knew that though. The real problem is that the HCIC (one person) was able to bypass the rules for passengers==baggage, with no consequences to her probably.
    2) I could have had that hasp cut in 10 seconds with an angle grinder, but apparently customs don't have those :)

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  • Thorn
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    Originally posted by renderman View Post
    ... At least my pants did'nt start smoking this time....
    For which your wife is eternally grateful. Or not.

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  • renderman
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    Other larger issues and confusion was raised by this experience.

    First, the conflicting directions at CPH. There was also an announcement proceeding our being paged by name that indicated that the gate was closed and to goto the transfer center to re-book. We did as we were asked and got screwed.

    The lady at the gates outright lie that our bags were already removed or that they were quick to remove seemed to indicate a desire to make sure the plane was not delayed any further (Europe's most punctual airline) rather than considering things like bad press or the additional cost of rebooking, housing and feeding us for a night. I'm willing to bet that it cost them way more for what happened than it would to crack the seal and let us on. Seems meeting their slogans is more important than actual customer service.

    Through out the whole ordeal it was very clear that there was a very clear lack of knowledge of what to do when normal policies and procedures fail. One would think that misplaced luggage would be an inevitable occurrence (even flying without the passenger) given the huge amount of flights and bags per year. In this case it exposed a very large gap in process that as we all know can be the first step to exploiting the system for fun, profit or damage.

    It was painfully obvious when we arrived in EWR that this was not the first time EWR had dealt with a security screwup such as this. SAS was desperate to keep customs from putting the pieces together that this was becoming a habit. This just added to the motivation to write it up.

    What Dev did'nt highlight nearly as much as he should have was that at EWR when they brought our bags up in the van, the guy unloaded some of them when we met him at the curb. He then said that he had to take them to the SAS counter first rather than just handing them to us (thats fine) but then grabbed 2, walked into the terminal and left the truck open with 2 pieces sitting there and 2 bags on the curb side with no one watching them but us, who he already had not established as the legit owners. Considering how often they announce that unattended baggage would be detonated, makes me wonder how long counts as unattended.

    In all, not the most horrific experience overall, but one helluva security screwup sideshow for us that left us shaking our heads so very often. At least my pants did'nt start smoking this time....

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  • Club81
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    That's some crazy poo! Great write-up; very descriptive. Pretty sad how some of that went down. I don't profess to know what needs to be done with airline security, I just know something needs to be done. How can something be so frustrating and ineffective at the same time!? It would be almost palpable if it was a PITA and actually made us more secure. I could live with long lines, long waits, and edgy TSA-like personnel if it all actually made us safer. But that doesn't happen either.

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