Defcon 19: [So tell me about the Rio] (recon and intel)

[arahel_jazz]

Re: Defcon 19: [So tell me about the Rio] (recon and intel)

Only scans I take are legal. No packet captures.
Wasn't all that interesting anyway. Just as expected - Your basic unenvrypted hotel network and some secured nets. You should have no problems with setting up DC nets.

Pools look.awesome.. too bad it is 50 degrees and windy as he'll today.

Walk from Rip to Gold coast - 15 minutes. Walk to Palms - about 20.. Almost got run over crossing Flamingo.

[astcell]

Re: Defcon 19: [So tell me about the Rio] (recon and intel)

How much food can we sock away n the rooms? Big fridge? Coffee maker? Microwave? George Foreman Grill? Are we able to shop locally and prepare our own food?

See lots of cameras in the hallways for security? Seen any hang out type of places? Can we sit on the floor without being in the way?

[TheCotMan]

Re: Defcon 19: [So tell me about the Rio] (recon and intel)

Only scans I take are legal. No packet captures.
Wasn't all that interesting anyway. Just as expected - Your basic unenvrypted hotel network and some secured nets. You should have no problems with setting up DC nets.

Pools look.awesome.. too bad it is 50 degrees and windy as he'll today.

Walk from Rip to Gold coast - 15 minutes. Walk to Palms - about 20.. Almost got run over crossing Flamingo.

Thanks for all of your information and the information on the scans being legal. :-)

[arahel_jazz]

Re: Defcon 19: [So tell me about the Rio] (recon and intel)

Hallway report: Geez you can drive a bus down them! We should have no problems with hallway congestion. One of the funniest things I saw was small tables along the hallway with two computers on them and a printer output slot for printing your boarding passes. I hope somebody gives the Rio the heads up before we get there - or they will be toast, guaranteed. Yes, there appear to be lots of nooks/crannies to hang out in the hallways. Dang it, I didn't scout for electrical outlets. I'll have to look through my pictures.

There is a respectable Starbucks halfway between the casino and the conference rooms.

I would suspect the smoking area to be outside the main ballroom entrance - there are several benches near the shuttle pickup point that have a nice cover over them. I know because it was raining while I waited for my wife to pick me up...

Room report: I didn't stay there this time - someone I talked to said the rooms were pretty big, and had at least a refrigerator in them. There aren't too many places to shop right next to the Rio - but there's plenty of strip malls within a couple miles. My favorite place to grab stuff is Whole Foods south of Mandalay Bay and north of I-515 on LVB.

I did take some rather boring pictures of the hallways and entrances to the main ballroom.

The casino is typical.

The Poker room is small - only about 10 tables. I talked to the room manager about a DEFCON specific tournament - will post details in event threads if anybody is intrested.

NOTE: If you are planning at staying at Gold Coast or Palms - As one guy on AVP told me, crossing Flamingo Blvd is like playing Frogger with your life. No shyte! I almost got run over - even with the walk signal! If you get hit and are drunk - they pin the blame on you.

[snideology]

Re: Defcon 19: [So tell me about the Rio] (recon and intel)

NOTE: If you are planning at staying at Gold Coast or Palms - As one guy on AVP told me, crossing Flamingo Blvd is like playing Frogger with your life. No shyte! I almost got run over - even with the walk signal! If you get hit and are drunk - they pin the blame on you.

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Now, I dislike to be callous regarding my fellow DC attendees, but as a lover of 1980's-era video games, I cannot help think that that might be VERY entertaining from on high, if it can be seen from the hotel. I do not wish any player any ill will (much suspect I shall attempt it), but, if it HAS to happen, let us hope the player has an extra frog.

[mwerte]

Re: Defcon 19: [So tell me about the Rio] (recon and intel)

Thanks for your information and any other (legally obtained) information you find while you are there.

Where is the line between legally obtainable and illegally gotten?

Thank you for the info arahel_jazz, what about non hotel eateries around? I'll probably do breakfast in my room, snack throughout the day, and then go out at night, but are there decent and not too expensive places to go out too?

[TheCotMan]

Re: Defcon 19: [So tell me about the Rio] (recon and intel)

Where is the line between legally obtainable and illegally gotten?

Eh. How about this:

If the information "you" post could cause the disks on this server to be yanked by law enforcement with a search warrant, and force me to rebuild the services on new disks, and configure them again, I will not be pleased. I recently spent several days doing this earlier this month when hardware (which was likely the motherboard) failed.

I really don't like the idea of protecting users from themselves. I prefer enlightened self-interest, which is when people do things to protect themselves, like not admitting to crimes on a public forum, and not providing evidence that could be used against them on a public forum. If it was possible for me to say we would not honor search warrants, and I was able to enforce this without personal risk, or loss of disks and time in rebuilding servers or having to appear in court, I'd say, go for it, and post your crimes, and evidence of your crimes all your want. I am not able to say this and enforce it. Additionally this server is not even my hardware, it is Jeff's and his hardware that is at risk. It is possible that he would choose to drop the forums instead of buying replacement disks. (Only he knows how likely this would be.) As a result, we enforce this policy of "nothing illegal" on the forums because of enlightened self-interest; we don't want more work or hassles.

If you all want to use PM for that kind of discussion, it is very likely none of the mods would ever find out about it. The only time I read people's PM, is when they give me permission to do so when they complain to me about things like spam, and then I limit my review of their PM box to just the messages complained about. However, if the courts ever managed to get a copy of the DB, they might find your PM, so I would hope enlightened self-interest would guide forum users to avoid using the forums to discuss anything illegal, and wisdom would encourage them to consider covert channels and encryption if they really felt a need to admit to crimes and provide evidence.

[arahel_jazz]

Re: Defcon 19: [So tell me about the Rio] (recon and intel)

Legal: You walk in with your 'droid phone or laptop and view the publicly visible Wi-Fi networks. I published a brief summary of this earlier in the thread.

Illegal: You walk in with your rooted 'droid phone or laptop with a special adapter and connect to the networks and capture traffic using TCPdump or Wireshark - then pubish the WPA2 key for network access along with the IP of the servers you might find in the scan.

Yes, I could have done the latter... but didn't think it necessary. And the last thing I want to do is answer to TCM (or Priest) in person this August as to why his disks just got impounded.

To the second part of your question: There isn't much within walking distance of the Rio for cheap food - other than the Palms (food court) and Gold Coast. You can take the Harrah's shuttle back to Harrah's/Paris/Imperial Palace and hit the Hash House A Go-Go or any other of the dozens of decent places on the central strip.

[TheCotMan]

Re: Defcon 19: [So tell me about the Rio] (recon and intel)

Yes, I could have done the latter... but didn't think it necessary. And the last thing I want to do is answer to TCM (or Priest) in person this August as to why his disks just got impounded.

Thanks! I do not enjoy banning users, or removing illegal content that puts the forums at risk, so it is really great for me when this all works, and I don't have to do more work; it gives me more time to work on other projects and improvements here. :-)

[treefort]

Re: Defcon 19: [So tell me about the Rio] (recon and intel)

Man, I'm going to miss the McDonalds being right across the street. $5 goes a long way in that place.

[Chris]

Re: Defcon 19: [So tell me about the Rio] (recon and intel)

Man, I'm going to miss the McDonalds being right across the street. $5 goes a long way in that place.

There's a Burger King (that serves beer) inside the Rio.

[treefort]

Re: Defcon 19: [So tell me about the Rio] (recon and intel)

There's a Burger King (that serves beer) inside the Rio.

Oh, excellent. I can get on board with their fries.

[Xeon]

Re: Defcon 19: [So tell me about the Rio] (recon and intel)

Does anyone know if the rooms at the Rio have mini-fridges? Or is the only fridge part of the mini-bar? Do you think the Rio would be friendly about emptying the mini-bar for the guests to use as a fridge?

[Chris]

Re: Defcon 19: [So tell me about the Rio] (recon and intel)

Does anyone know if the rooms at the Rio have mini-fridges? Or is the only fridge part of the mini-bar? Do you think the Rio would be friendly about emptying the mini-bar for the guests to use as a fridge?

The standard rooms have refrigerators (if you believe the interwebs)

[mwerte]

Re: Defcon 19: [So tell me about the Rio] (recon and intel)

Thanks for the info TCM and arahel.

Sorry if this wasn't clear, I wasn't looking for why posting illegal stuff is illegal, just wondering what is and isn't legal.