Defcon Kids in the news.

[The Dark Tangent]

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Remember that this year the hallways are more than twice as wide as the old hallways, and traffic flow will be different as well.

[The Dark Tangent]

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Parents are responsible for their children throughout the DefCon Kids sessions. They should be no farther than 3 minutes away from their children and should have their cell phones on, ready to receive emergency calls if something should arise.

Just to clarify a bit:

I don't want parents and kids apart, even if by 3 minutes, which might turn into 4 or 5, etc. For a first year experiment, as well as liability reasons, we can't have kids and their parents separated. This is not meant to be hacker day care, but a joint experience with parents and kids, and the waiver will spell this out clearly.

This looks like a lot of fun, but please take time to plan how to manage your family and your time to get the most out of it.

DT

[StealHead]

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Just updated the FAQ with this:

Parent Responsibilities

Parents will be required to sign a waiver/release form when registering their child for the first time at the DefCon kids rooms. This waiver form will require them to show and fill out their identification for themselves and their child.

Parents are responsible for their children throughout the DefCon Kids sessions. Parents and Kids must stay together at all times. If the room fills up then the we will close the door and not allow anyone else in.

[The Dark Tangent]

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Just updated the FAQ with this:

Parent Responsibilities

Parents will be required to sign a waiver/release form when registering their child for the first time at the DefCon kids rooms. This waiver form will require them to show and fill out their identification for themselves and their child.

Parents are responsible for their children throughout the DefCon Kids sessions. Parents and Kids must stay together at all times. If the room fills up then the we will close the door and not allow anyone else in.

As parents come and go new openings in the room will occur. Kind of like a popular night club, as soeone leaves a new person can enter?

[StealHead]

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As parents come and go new openings in the room will occur. Kind of like a popular night club, as soeone leaves a new person can enter?

Yes that is the plan. We have 1 hour sessions in the classroom and we believe that parents and children will select which sessions they would like to attend. Once a session starts I would imagine we close the door to any late comers.

The workstation room is the same. The stations will be set up all day and the parents/kids can enter anytime there is available space for them. This workstation room is also a great place for parents/kids to go if the classroom session is full.

I guess we will play it by ear whether or not everyone has to clear the room between sessions. Matters how many people actually show up for the event.

[Tacitus]

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Yes that is the plan. We have 1 hour sessions in the classroom and we believe that parents and children will select which sessions they would like to attend. Once a session starts I would imagine we close the door to any late comers.

The workstation room is the same. The stations will be set up all day and the parents/kids can enter anytime there is available space for them. This workstation room is also a great place for parents/kids to go if the classroom session is full.

I guess we will play it by ear whether or not everyone has to clear the room between sessions. Matters how many people actually show up for the event.

So, do you expect to have the kids lining up outside the talk room/workshop if it is full/closed for latecomers? Would they be lining up in the Defcon hallways?

[StealHead]

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If we are over capacity they would have to line up in the hallways, as DT mentioned the Rio's hallways are much bigger.

Also, I doubt that a parent/kid will actually line up, they probably will go do something else. These are children after all, I can't see them patiently waiting for 50 minutes for the next session. Either they go to the workgroup room, if that's full I think they'll go do something else.

We certainly don't have all the answers but the more prepared we are the better, so keep the questions and comments coming.

[chs]

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DefCon Kids will be held in their own separate conference rooms and without parent/guardian status of said kid you will not be allowed to enter the room nor will a kid be able to register for the event if said parent/guardian is not present and fill's out a lawyer produced sign-in/waiver form. Yes that means real name's must be used and contact info in case of an emergency.

Nothing in the past has ever prevented anyone, goon or human, from bringing their children to defcon and allowing them to participate in anything and everything defcon-related up to maybe the age-restricted parties. We've never asked for so much as a name, let alone ID and signing of lawerly forms, so why are we doing this for two little rooms during the con?

[StealHead]

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Nothing in the past has ever prevented anyone, goon or human, from bringing their children to defcon and allowing them to participate in anything and everything defcon-related up to maybe the age-restricted parties. We've never asked for so much as a name, let alone ID and signing of lawerly forms, so why are we doing this for two little rooms during the con?

Please see DT's post above about liability: https://forum.defcon.org/showpost.ph...4&postcount=32

[The Dark Tangent]

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Just to be clear, the ID thing is not mine or a DEF CON requirement, but what the organizers of the event want. I'm not sure what they will do with the data, and I expect them to make that clear, after all we are inquisitive and privacy oriented.

[converge]

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Nothing in the past has ever prevented anyone, goon or human, from bringing their children to defcon and allowing them to participate in anything and everything defcon-related up to maybe the age-restricted parties.

I suppose it would be considered inappropriate to spin up the KidCon Shoot and KidCon Beer Cooling Contest .. Maybe we can handout noisemakers and have them flood the CTF room .. or have them go sticker the hell out of random attendees?

[sintax_error]

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I suppose it would be considered inappropriate to spin up the KidCon Shoot and KidCon Beer Cooling Contest .. Maybe we can handout noisemakers and have them flood the CTF room .. or have them go sticker the hell out of random attendees?

Nah, KidCon TCP/IP Drinking Game might be a stretch though.

[Bbox]

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I suppose it would be considered inappropriate to spin up the KidCon Shoot

Hey, that may not be a a bad idea! we may have to modernize it for the kids though, bring a bit more technology into it. My kid is pretty good with his walther p38 by itself,
But in the spirit of Defcon and technology he would probably want to hook it up to an Arduino board with servos and write a python script to fire it over the internet.

[Deviant Ollam]

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KidCon Shoot

Hey, that may not be a a bad idea!

i am 100% supportive of people bringing their kids to the DEFCON Shoot. in fact, i should have pointed this out earlier... i'll grant free badges to anyone under the age of 12, provided they are accompanied by someone responsible.

i'm going to post about that in the DEFCON Shoot sub-forum. thanks for the inspiration!

KidCon Beer Cooling Contest

i also would support this 100%... that is, a team entering the contest who is all kids. hell, we had a team of vegetarians enter the Titanium Chef Challenge at the ToxicBBQ one year, and they did quite well.

seeing a team of kids create a contraption where they cannot sample the output but still get to potentially win prizes... that would be epic.

[eris]

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It just says "beverage cooling contest." Soda is a beverage. :-) And home made ginger beer or root beer is a fun project!