100 days to go...

[Zorlac]

(Well, technically, if its the Wednesday sessions, its 99 days, but dont shoot the messenger... ah.. bad choice of words )

Deviant mentioned the other day that "not too many" people had signed up for atttending or for a lane yet*. I know its still a while away, and many of us dont have 100% firm travel plans yet, but lets help the shoot team get organized, so they have some idea of expected of lanes, attendees, ammo, required lane canopies, etc.

I`ve already signed up for both Wednesday afternoon and Thursday morning's sessions.

If you can commit at this stage, go and sign up now... you know it makes sense :)

http://deviating.net/firearms/defcon_shoot/

(* - He did mention that someone had paid for a lane and handed it back to the shoot team to do with what they wanted... I think Deviant said he had plans to use it as an "unfree citizen / video / both" lane)

[wrøng!]

Re: 100 days to go...

I'm registered and have a lane for Wednesday. Told my friends to register too. Did you guys do it yet?

[Deviant Ollam]

Re: 100 days to go...

registrations are proceeding much slower than before. if i don't have significant numbers from people by mid-May i will have to scale back the number of rental tables and tents.

still time to plan, of course.

[seeess]

Re: 100 days to go...

registrations are proceeding much slower than before. if i don't have significant numbers from people by mid-May i will have to scale back the number of rental tables and tents.

still time to plan, of course.

I was holding off to see if the times would be changed slightly. I mentioned possibly getting 15 minutes in between each session in another thread, and hopefully even stealing 30 minutes from the "safety talk" (or extending the day 30 min) to extend each session 15 minutes.

Deviant, have you had a chance to think about this more?

[Gigs]

Re: 100 days to go...

registrations are proceeding much slower than before. if i don't have significant numbers from people by mid-May i will have to scale back the number of rental tables and tents

I just sent you a considerable chunk of money. Hope it helps with the planning and all. Thanks again for doing this for everyone. I know from experience how much it sucks to be organizing these kinds of events.

[seeess]

Re: 100 days to go...

I was holding off to see if the times would be changed slightly. I mentioned possibly getting 15 minutes in between each session in another thread, and hopefully even stealing 30 minutes from the "safety talk" (or extending the day 30 min) to extend each session 15 minutes.

Deviant, have you had a chance to think about this more?

Oh and do you accept bitcoin :)

[Deviant Ollam]

Re: 100 days to go...

i am definitely going to have the schedules padded in such a way that there is a considerable break between Session One and Session Two each day. I'm thinking...

Wednesday Dusk

15:00 to 16:00 - tables and tents delivered and erected

16:30 to 17:00 - check-in and safety talk
17:00 to 17:30 - group #1 set up
17:30 to 18:30 - group #1 shoot
18:30 to 19:00 - group #2 set up
19:00 to 20:00 - group #2 shoot


Thursday Dawn
09:00 to 09:30 - check-in and safety talk
09:30 to 10:00 - group #1 set up
10:00 to 11:00 - group #1 shoot
11:00 to 11:30 - group #2 set up
11:30 to 12:30 - group #2 shoot

13:00 to 14:00 - table and tent strike and load-out

[astcell]

Re: 100 days to go...

Hey Deviant, Seeess and I may buy a pair of lanes like we did last time, pair up and train the newbies and all. I need to wait unti the end of this week though to see if I get to shoot guns in the Vegas desert this year or another desert, sigh.

[RoboHak]

Re: 100 days to go...

I just registered 3 shooters and a lane on Wednesday and Thursday. I hope that helps with the planning. I may get an additional lane later if they don't fill up.

[Deviant Ollam]

Re: 100 days to go...

Here's your end-of-April status update, if you're curious...

11 registrations thus far
4 RSO volunteers
4 staff volunteers

an average of 3 lanes are reserved in each session across both days.

this will be a MUCH smaller event than last year's unless numbers pick up. i'm not worried, last year we didn't even START taking registrations until the start of June. still, just wanted people to know how things are looking thus far.

[Zorlac]

Re: 100 days to go...

Thanks for the update, I was going to ask :)

[teflone]

Re: 100 days to go...

Im a green horn, going to Def Con with a buddy of mine.

We are interested in attending this event, I personally don't have any experience with guns other than air rifles and the such.
Im Canadian, strict guns laws for the most part up here..

Whats the protocol here ? is this open to people like me ?

I've heard everyone is friendly and willing to let someone shoot their gun if you pay for ammo or something like that..
Is this true ?

I've found very little info on newbs like me attending.. :)

And also this is 45 mins from the strip, is getting a cab there and back possible ? or a ridiculous idea ?

I would gladly pay someone to fill their tank for a ride there and back for me and buddy.

Cheers..

Also, having no guns, would I be expected to rent a lane ? Im guessing not, but truthfully I dont know..

[Deviant Ollam]

Re: 100 days to go...

Im Canadian, strict guns laws for the most part up here. Whats the protocol here ? is this open to people like me? ... Also, having no guns, would I be expected to rent a lane ? Im guessing not, but truthfully I dont know..

you are not expected to rent a lane. you would have to register and have a badge, however.

and we even have a special category of registration for people like you... discounted price for people coming from countries where guns aren't so easy to get and/or carry! ;-)

I've heard everyone is friendly and willing to let someone shoot their gun if you pay for ammo or something like that... Is this true ?

well, most folk are friendly. people who let you try their guns do often like you to buy ammo or contribute for the use of their ammo. we're looking to make little signs or banners or something that people can hang in their lanes if they are welcoming guest shooters.

And also this is 45 mins from the strip, is getting a cab there and back possible ? or a ridiculous idea? I would gladly pay someone to fill their tank for a ride there and back for me and buddy.

a cab would not really be possible. maybe they would take you to the fork off to Lovell Canyon Road (even that is a huge, expensive fare) but not many cabs would come all the way up to the shoot site.

getting a ride with folk who are going is a much better plan. there is usually a thread started about this as DEFCON gets closer.

[TheCotMan]

Re: 100 days to go...

Whats the protocol here ? is this open to people like me ?

Has been open to sane and safe people willing to respect each other and firearms.

I've heard everyone is friendly and willing to let someone shoot their gun if you pay for ammo or something like that.. Is this true ?

Many people share use of their weapon(s), but each person is different and some may choose not to share, or maybe ask for some compensation for the rounds fired. Some won't let you provide your own ammo, but insist on using their own, ammo. Some may invite you to shoot their weapons without charging you, but even if people offer to let you shoot for free, it would be good to recognize their kindness by at least offering them something... maybe food, or money, or some sort of trinket or something.

As for protocol, each person is different and may have their own protocol. There would be an assumption, that if you do not have a table/lane because you do not have a weapon, that someone with a weapon will also have a lane and table.

I've found very little info on newbs like me attending.. :)

This site is linked from the description for this forum for the Defcon Shoot:
http://www.deviating.net/firearms/defcon_shoot

Have you visited that for more information?

And also this is 45 mins from the strip, is getting a cab there and back possible ? or a ridiculous idea ?

A Taxi to and from would cost a great deal of money. Last year, the, "[forum=632]HackBus[/forum]" (forum) not only provided bus service to/from San Francisco for a lucky few, but also was willing to provide service to the Toxic BBQ (did not happen last year, but they did provide service previous years when there were Toxic BBQ.) I think 2 years in a row, they provided bus service (one trip) to and from the Defcon Shoot. They will have their own requirements on how they select passengers. Websites: http://www.hackbus.net/ , http://www.hackbus.com/ , https://twitter.com/HackBus , http://www.facebook.com/HackBus , http://www.hackb.us/

Beyond HackBus, some people rent cars and are willing to offer people seat space to and from the shoot. If you plan on doing the camping thing that people are talking about, you would likely want to make arrangements ahead of time. Also, I've not heard if HackBus plans to provide service on both days, or just one, assuming they would return to service again this year.

I would gladly pay someone to fill their tank for a ride there and back for me and buddy.

This is a really good attitude.

Also, having no guns, would I be expected to rent a lane ? Im guessing not, but truthfully I dont know..

Probably not. I think the only people renting a lane last year had weapons.

Without experience, you should become familiar with the 4 basic rules of firearm safety... they are something like:
* Assume a gun is always loaded
* Keep your hand off the trigger until you are ready to fire
* Only point your gun at what you want destroyed
* You are responsible for any items behind your intended target (bullets can travel through objects and harm things behind the target.)

There are other items with respect to safety, and they have historically been covered at the site like:
* How do you identify a RSO
* What is a RSO
* How is a cease fire called?
* Who can call one?
* What does it mean when a lane/field/range is hot?
* What should you do/not do when a cease fire has been called?
* (more)

Deviant will have real answers. All of these answers are based on observation.

[teflone]

Re: 100 days to go...

Thank you Deviant, TheCotman. :)

I have read the Defcon shoot page, quite a few times actually and read threads about past ones here and there..

The discounted price would be nice, I assume this is ref to the orientation/getting a badge.

I do understand everyone wont be willing to let others shoot their guns, and I totally understand why people would insist on their own ammo they are sure about. I would assume and practically force anyone willing to let me shoot theirs, to accept some compensation, cash or otherwise.. I have a distant acquaintance that I think they mentioned they would be an RSO and possibly sell ammo for bitcoin, I thought that was clever idea, and something I would love to do. Keeping in mind cell service is sketchy at best out there.. Im hoping to meet this individual when im there. :)

And knowing the cab is pretty much out of the question is good, but sucks.. , I hate to leave things to chance and someones generosity. I will be sure to somehow find a ride, its nice to know there are a few options :) I would deff make it worth someones while. Im expecting to attend the thurs. morn shoot.

Im a sane mature individual, whose only craziness would be considered riding motorcycles amungst the crazy drivers out there. :)

I appreciate the detailed responses, any and all info you have for me is great! I would encourage it actually.. Im all ears..

Thanks guys, already got a great vibe from you already, this will be my first DefCon for me, and second for my buddy, we are looking forward to it, and I have little idea what to expect,but I know this will be fun weekend I will remember. :)