DEFCON 11 Pre-Planning

[pezz]

Originally posted by Dark Tangent
Do you mean Sidewinder Gen 2, or Firewall One NG?

Either would be very, very interesting.

[blackwave]

yeah Note Exchange is a great idea, I kept checking back and even after the con was over... no joy :(

[boogah]

Re: Re: DEFCON 11 Pre-Planning

Originally posted by Grifter

We already have the Note Exchange. I know it wasn't working last year, but hopefully Boogah will work out all the bugs before DC11. http://noteex.hatesville.com/

There were two problems with the Note Exchange when we tried to get it off the ground last year...

[1] I though it'd be a brilliant idea to bring the NoteEx box to con. That way if we had an issue with the connectivity it wouldn't be a problem, people could still access NoteEx... Not only did we have trouble getting the physical box into the NOC but the DNS was so hosed that nobody could have accessed it anyhow.
[2] There wasn't word one of acknowledgement of NoteEx in the program. If I'd known this I would have ran off some sort of quarter page sheet and handed it out at con but since I had to deal with some unexpected personal issues [see: girlfriend lost her purse in a cab] I had nowhere near the capacity or will to deal with it.

This year, NoteEx is sitting securely in the VP Labs NOC in Anaheim. It will not be installed on the DC LAN. I am also going to try and make sure that it is somehow credited in the program and if it isn't I will run off a thousand or so flyers at the local Kinko's and spend most of my con handing them out. I think the con can only grow with the open sharing of information that NoteEx provides. Of course my opinion is skewed because it is my project.

[BTW: The brunt of NoteEx was coded by JTX of http://hatesville.com/ who took one look at my plan for implementation and said "I can do that better than you can." If it wasn't for him the project still wouldn't be done.]

Originally posted by KeLviN
except you'd end up with assholes like me jumping in cuz i know i can rock some newbies world and take home the gold. how would you "verify" that someone is a newbie?!

Perhaps offer no prize(s) beyond pure knowledge. Make it an indepth learning expierence.... Though, whoever was to run/handle this, would have to have major patience and a love of youth.

[KeLviN]

Originally posted by JockVSJock
I agree that some sort of informatl CTF for newbies would be awesome and fun and a learning experiene at the sametime, and would help a newbie understand what is going on with the real CTF.

except you'd end up with assholes like me jumping in cuz i know i can rock some newbies world and take home the gold. how would you "verify" that someone is a newbie?!

[The Dark Tangent]

Do you mean Sidewinder Gen 2, or Firewall One NG?

[pezz]

Id like to see something that directly addresses Sidewinder or NeXt Gen FW.

Do we have any experts on those?

[JockVSJock]

I agree that some sort of informatl CTF for newbies would be awesome and fun and a learning experiene at the sametime, and would help a newbie understand what is going on with the real CTF.

Re: Re: Re: Re: learning

Originally posted by blackwave
I don't think we have to worry about a tent problem this year...

Not after it was misplaced

[blackwave]

Re: Re: Re: learning

Originally posted by J3di
The tents were better at DC10 than any previous, but that roof tent is still th worst.

I don't think we have to worry about a tent problem this year...

[converge]

Somehow I'm guessing that won't be a problem this year. I still think blackwave's Hug-a-Goon campaign is commendable.

[J3di]

Re: Re: learning

Originally posted by L0nd0
Im gonna have to agree on this one that tent got really hott at some points.

The tents were better at DC10 than any previous, but that roof tent is still th worst.

[L0nd0]

Re: learning

Originally posted by detok
Another thing is that we need either a.) better air conditioning or b.) different rooms. I think i almost passed out a couple times in the talks, because alot of the ones i saw, where on the roof, and it was hot as fuck, and coming from colorado, it killed me,and i couldnt concentrate on the talks with the damn heat. So I dont know what can be done, its just, i missed out on alot of talks because i didnt want to become the suns bitch for an hour.

Im gonna have to agree on this one that tent got really hott at some points.

[detok]

learning

I like the ctf idea, and the learn how to do a ctf. And it would be nice to bring back the tracks of /n00b/hacker/uberl337 because last year, i think once or twice i went to some talks that i was like....uhhhhhhh yeah...what?

Another thing is that we need either a.) better air conditioning or b.) different rooms. I think i almost passed out a couple times in the talks, because alot of the ones i saw, where on the roof, and it was hot as fuck, and coming from colorado, it killed me,and i couldnt concentrate on the talks with the damn heat. So I dont know what can be done, its just, i missed out on alot of talks because i didnt want to become the suns bitch for an hour.

[Soybomb]

I've never been able to make it to defcon yet (this year looks promising though) and I like the sounds of a more informal CTF. I might meet up with one or two other people I know there but it wouldn't be enough to be a real team nor would I really have the cofidence for that initially. A little network for a pickup game of CTF could be really fun though I think. No scoring, just play around, learn from each other, etc.