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  • #16
    Originally posted by seeess View Post
    To pitch a long-shot idea: if we can get defcon to sell badges at the shoot, would that solve the major issue for everyone not attending the thrs shoot?
    That would solve my issues, for sure. I wonder how receptive the powers that be would be for this idea?

    -darkwind

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    • #17
      Originally posted by darkwind View Post

      That would solve my issues, for sure. I wonder how receptive the powers that be would be for this idea?

      -darkwind
      I am not "the powers that be" and am not speaking for DEF CON, but can provide comments on why this probably would not be officially supported. Risks of theft are significant enough that those that organize things at DEF CON try to limit cash transactions to two places: vendor, badge sales, and then limit badge sales to two places (DEF CON badge sales space and BlackHat.) Security guards, casino/hotel security cameras, and checks to make sure cash used to pay the hotel and insurance companies so we can have DEF CON has to be accounted for in use, and steps taken to avoid theft and violence related to theft.

      Making badge sales happen on Wed. at the DEF CON shoot before they are available on Thursday morning for normal sale would also likely cause large number of people to want to drive out to the shoot to get badges. Even if only 25% of 30,000 people drove out, would there be enough space for parking? It would be a nightmare at Lovell Canyon. If you imply that badge sales should start on Wednesday, then would that then be pushing official DEF CON events from Thursday out to Wednesday, defeating a Wednesday-only Shoot, forcing it to move to Tuesday?

      If badge sales ever does move to Wednesday morning, then I would bet there would be Wednesday events. Why? What happens when you have 10,000-30,000 people with concert tickets hanging out for 24 hours, waiting for the concert to begin? I'd expect similar risks with DEF CON, but idle hacker hands might make the results worse.

      The better option might be for all of you going to the shoot (or a significant number of you) to make arrangements with someone standing in line for you, to buy your badges for you.If 20-30 of you each paid the person $10 to stand in line for your badges, then they could not only get your badges, but use what you pay them to get their own badge for "free" (as a service for helping you.) This creates other problems, as people are ALWAYS late to picking up their badge, and what can be done to get their badge to them? Will the person standing in line get 20-30 phne calls, "hey, meet me at the $restraurant in [Caesars**Bally's**Linq**Paris**Alexis_Park***]" forcing them to spend all of their Wed travelling to meet people.

      I doubt that DEF CON would arrange for any official sales of badges at the Shoot. Any of you could make plans to have people buy badges for you, though.

      Sorry to bring the bad news, but hope it helps you plan,
      -Cot

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