Hacking and the military

[Chris]

Originally posted by astcell
>True...but it isn't automatic. You still have to have need for the clearance and apply before it is granted.

Well it is a one page paper, called "Adjudication of Clearance." It's actually a 1/2 page paper! So flimsy, and you do not fill it out, it is done by the administrative folks in the unit. Now it can always come back that you have to fill out the entire stack of paper, that is a case by case basis. The Adjudication can only be done during your first service tour. So if you re-enlist and then need a clearance, it's the whole shebang for you. It used to be that it could be done anytime as long as there was no break in service. And also the clearance for Secret is good for 15 years from the date the investigation was completed, NOT 15 years from when the clearance was issued. So under the old school laws you can join the army in 1980, file for the adjudication in 1994, then the clearance would only be good for 1 year!

I am certainly not disagreeing that a secret is monster easy to get. The problem is the "need" for clearance. Although it is a relatively quick and (for most) painless preocess, getting the 1/2 page processed tends to be the issue as no one will process it unless a clearance requirement (you and I both know the form number) has been filled out for the position in question.

[astcell]

Usually the position in question existed long before you got the slot, and the position requires the clearance. In that case it is very easy to justify the need. In some cases everyone in a certain unit or above a certain rank requires the clearance.

[GackMan]

don't confuse billet with need to initiate a clearance.

i'll stop now.

[Chris]

Originally posted by astcell
Usually the position in question existed long before you got the slot, and the position requires the clearance. In that case it is very easy to justify the need. In some cases everyone in a certain unit or above a certain rank requires the clearance.

Again I agree, but the original statement (and what I thought we were talking about haha) was that just joining gives you a secret. I still maintain that is not the case.

[astcell]

Correct. Joining gives you a job. If you are not a US citizen you can join for one enlistment only, and never hold a clearance unless you turn out to be Werner Von Braun or something.

[murakami]

Originally posted by astcell
I bet I can do a Defcon talk for an hour on clearances!

Oh do tell us about lifestyle polys !!

[astcell]

Originally posted by murakami
Oh do tell us about lifestyle polys !!

I was only pushing that sheep to help it over the fence after it got stuck, and I had my pants down so as not to hurt it with my belt buckle!!! :p

[GackMan]

interviewer: "haveyoueverhadsexwithsomsoneofthesamesexormultipl epartners?"

me: Hu?

interviewer: why do you have to think about it? is there something you want to tell me?

[erehwon]

Originally posted by murakami
Oh do tell us about lifestyle polys !!

http://www.antipolygraph.org/

Read The Lie Behind the Lie Detector, I'm told just telling the examiner that you have read that document is grounds to show that you are untestable.

[erehwon]

Originally posted by astcell
I bet I can do a Defcon talk for an hour on clearances!

A good pointer is to mention what happened to the contractor that poured a beer over Winn's head some years back, and the world of trouble that got him into...

[murakami]

Originally posted by astcell
I was only pushing that sheep to help it over the fence after it got stuck, and I had my pants down so as not to hurt it with my belt buckle!!! :p

How do you explain the velcro gloves?

[PoT]

Originally posted by murakami
How do you explain the velcro gloves?

It gives me a good grip so the sheep won't accidently bolt and entangle itself more on the fence.

Note: Always take your sheep to the edge of a cliff, they push back better then. :P

-PoT

[murakami]

Originally posted by GackMan
interviewer: "haveyoueverhadsexwithsomsoneofthesamesexormultipl epartners?"

me: Hu?

interviewer: why do you have to think about it? is there something you want to tell me?

you really have to think before you open your mouth.

during someone's background check:

interviewer: "How well do you know this person?"

me: "They just vomitted on me in the back of plane."

interviewer: "Does this happen often, do they drink on the job?"

I had to explain that we were calibrating a new camera on a Cessna and all the turning and banking over the target made them nauseous. The interviewer was still suspicious.

[astcell]

It's okay when they're suspicious. It means they are thinking. Worry about when they are calm, it means they have made up their mind completely.

[blackwave]

my favorite is when you read their reports...

interviewee did not answer question freely. probing was required. seemed uncomfortable when approached with question. further investigation is suggested.