Hacking and the military

[GackMan]

i keep saying that I'll request my background investigation under the FOIA... just never get off my lazy ass and do it.

i'd like to see what my friends had to say.

[murakami]

Originally posted by GackMan
i keep saying that I'll request my background investigation under the FOIA... just never get off my lazy ass and do it.

i'd like to see what my friends had to say.

You mean you didn't get a tape recording of the script you provided when you paid them off?

[Neural]

I looked into seeing how I could get clearance awhile back. A job had opened up down the street for a linux admin to do daily stuff like backups and other mundane stuff for an office full of linux machines. top secret clearance was required since the data being backed up dealt with new sonar technologies. The options were to either join the military which I think would seem odd being that I'm 32 already, or work for a defense contractor who's willing to push your paperwork through for you. It would still take several years. I think even longer in my case since most of my life up until the age of 18 was spent moving around. I didn't exist for awhile. Well. I mean, I was never issued a social security number until the age of 16 when I needed one to get an after school job. My parents did it to keep me and my sister out of the evil government computer systems. :)

[murakami]

Originally posted by Neural
work for a defense contractor who's willing to push your paperwork through for you. It would still take several years.

Depending on how badly they wanted you, how efficient their HR/security department is, and what your background is; it can be expedited much more quickly.

Your life as a minor is not a major factor, unless something really sticks out, but that's what background checks are for.

A lot of folks get their civilian clearances by working a govt. job, then work for a contractor who will hold them.

[drex_ej]

From a former USMC Intel Spec.

For the guy wanting comp experience.. Don't go intel.. what a boring ass job.

As for clearances, I've written up dozens of clearance requests, and they are a royal pain. Your whole life story for the last ten years or until age 16 - for SSBI clearance requests.

Most regular personnel (read battalion / regiment - or lower then division) Staff NCO and Officers are all Secret. CO/XO/OpsO/Ops Chief are TS - Intel are all TS. (Usually TS/SCI)

According to DOD the SSBI/SBI clearance check is worthwhile for 10 years - then you need an update.

Clearance takes about 6 months - just make sure you haven't pissed anyone off lately. When I got my clearance the FBI came and spoke to everyone in my neighborhood, my parents told me the neighbors thought I was a fugitive or something.

Best advice for clearance is don't lie, they don't really care what youv'e done, as long as your honest (felonies aside :) ).

[Soybomb]

I was checking out a job a while back that would have required some level of security clearance and they were going to help me get it. I didn't go for it though. I am curious though what are the usual flags they look for when checking you out for clearance? Besides obvious things like felon, etc.

[blackwave]

Top Clearance Killers::::
Bad Credit
Sustained Drug Use (Marijuana, Cocaine, Heroine)

Stupid Clearance Killers::::
Dual citizenship
Admitting to be suseptible to being coerced/pressured to work against the government.

Even Stupider Clearance Killers::::
Admitting to having plans to take over the governemnt.

Click here for some fun reading to see what fucktards are out there... and why clearances should exist:
Foreign Influence, Foreign Preference, Financial, Drugs, Personal Conduct, Criminal Conduct, Alcohol, Sexual Behavior, Security Violations, Information Technology, Criminal, Mental
INDUSTRIAL SECURITY CLEARANCE DECISIONS
http://www.defenselink.mil/dodgc/doha/industrial/

Here are some personal favorites:

CASE NUMBER: 01-07751.h1


Drugs; Alcohol; Personal Conduct; Criminal Conduct


03/25/2002


Applicant was arrested for possession of marijuana in November1997 after having had a security clearance for more than 16 years. She denied any involvement with marijuana in a security questionnaire she completed November 1998. In a March 1999 DSS interview and in two, signed, sworn statements (one written in Appellant's hand) she admitted regular marijuana use from 1979 to 1981 and admitted taking a "couple puffs" in the two years preceding the interview. In a June 1999 interview and in a signed, sworn statement, she admitted using marijuana monthly from 1979 up to and including the night before the interview. Applicant had previously denied using marijuana in security questionnaires she completed in 1988, 1992, and 1995. At her administrative hearing, Applicant admitted using marijuana only 2 or 3 times in her life, all of the use occurring since 1997. Applicant's credibility about past drug use and future intentions has been undermined by her inconsistent and contradictory statements on security questionnaires and in signed sworn statements. Clearance is denied.

[astcell]

Bad credit means bad credit NOW that you are doing nothing NOW about it. Effort counts, and as bad things go in your past and stay in your past, that's a good thing.

[encrypt31945]

Bad credit really messes up alot of stuff it just takes time to get better credit. Once it has been a couple of years and you paid everything off you are fine again. The thing I didnt know is it could affect if they granted you clearance or not.

[astcell]

You can be behind in your bills and trying your hardest, that has some weight. It's the "I don't give a shit" attitude that is the worst, whether it's for overdue bills, abused spouses, or told secrets.

[begformore]

Originally posted by blackwave
[BClick here for some fun reading to see what fucktards are out there... and why clearances should exist:
INDUSTRIAL SECURITY CLEARANCE DECISIONS
http://www.defenselink.mil/dodgc/doha/industrial/
[/B]

Here's my favorite:


02/21/2003

Applicant who engaged in Internet cyber-sex with foreign nationals not shown to be foreign agents or exposed to monitoring foreign agents, and who Applicant promptly and voluntarily disclosed as material foreign contacts to DSS in a second DSS interview, mitigates Government's security concerns. Clearance is granted.

[astcell]

So we're not limited to cyber-sex with US citizens!

[murakami]

Originally posted by astcell
So we're not limited to cyber-sex with US citizens!

Unless they aren't able to pay their cc charges.

I knew an openly gay person that just delighted in disclosing all their foreign contacts, it was funny to see the security officer's face afterwards.

[ch0l0man]

yeah and this fool gets granted.

From late 1997 to late 1999, Applicant's reaction to stress caused him to repeatedly expose himself while driving his car. In 1998 he was arrested for taking indecent liberties with a child and indecent exposure. In 1999, he was again charged with indecent exposure. From January 2000 through January 2001, Applicant received therapy. The counselor believes the Applicant is at low risk to be involved similar inappropriate behavior in the future and sees no reason for concern about the Applicant's judgement. The record evidence is sufficient to mitigate or extenuate the negative security implications stemming from his inappropriate conduct. Clearance is granted.


what kinda stress would make you act like that?
and even if you did with a child?
stress aint gonna make you do that, in my opinion.
id sure rather have a deadbeat at the company picnic then this jacko.

[blackwave]

Originally posted by encrypt31945
Bad credit really messes up alot of stuff it just takes time to get better credit. Once it has been a couple of years and you paid everything off you are fine again. The thing I didnt know is it could affect if they granted you clearance or not.

it shows responsibility... if you can't be trusted in the agreement you have with things that you own on daily basis, why should you be trusted with us secrets?