Pink Floyd DSOTM

[Chris]

I think Billie Holiday will make it 20 years...

Yes...but will Billie Armstrong?

Cliff Em All!!

Juerd.

[jesse]

"punk only exists because people think that it's easy to copy the ramones"

[converge]

I think Billie Holiday will make it 20 years... she's pretty catchy she is.

Good music never dies, but.. then again disco and glam don't either. ...there is good rap (nwa, public enemy, ...), then there is 50cent... Just because the band can act like they are yanking down on the strings really hard, doesn't make them punk, metal, or hard by any measure

Cliff Em All!!

[IcEbLAze]

You mention that RATM broke up in the same breath as being curious why no one mentioned not one, but TWO bands who haven't put a studio album out in 10 years (Nirvana) and 8 years (AIC). Because their singers are dead.

Not to mention Nirvana is the most overrated band in the history of man.

RATM isn't quite talked or liked as Nirvana by the media because of the touchy subjects, maybe Nirvanas is overrated however they seem to be the symbol of the times.. I put Alice in chains up there because they are one of my favorite bands, yes I know there both dead, however the hype Nirvana has will definetly put it in the 20 year playing history, just like Tupac's legacy... people still think the two are still alive, and that's all media hype as well..

P.S. it is a little confusing, I believe I tried to put 2 thoughts into one post heh.

[night_flux]

as for the fellow who posted about RATM; They broke up bro... yes there good, and will be played for a while, but there not around anymore, Zach De La Rocha was planning on doing another album with STP's band I think it was but I may be wrong about which band it is, however - that was 2 years ago I heard that and haven't seen or heard anything since.

I realize that they broke up, but what I meant was as you said, their music will be played for a while. Didn't know about Zach doing a new album, hopefully he doesn't drop out of the music scene.

[Chris]

I'm Surprised none of you guys have thrown Nirvana, Alice in chains, or bands like that out there yet

You mention that RATM broke up in the same breath as being curious why no one mentioned not one, but TWO bands who haven't put a studio album out in 10 years (Nirvana) and 8 years (AIC). Because their singers are dead.

Not to mention Nirvana is the most overrated band in the history of man.

[IcEbLAze]

Ck3k: I believe Gen X was early 90's, I think youre Gen Sex...

I'm Surprised none of you guys have thrown Nirvana, Alice in chains, or bands like that out there yet... as for the fellow who posted about RATM; They broke up bro... yes there good, and will be played for a while, but there not around anymore, Zach De La Rocha was planning on doing another album with STP's band I think it was but I may be wrong about which band it is, however - that was 2 years ago I heard that and haven't seen or heard anything since. OUTKAST is a exception because they throw in new stuff with a 'old school' twist, and people like that because older and youngers can both listen to it. There are ton of Rap artists out there in the SF/ bay area who have been around for over 20 years, i.e. X-raided, Brotha Lynch, 11-5, E-40, DJ quick... don't know if any of you listen to that but there around, In conclusion I think everyone is moving towards techno/trance music... the classical-type music of the millenium, heh.

[kree]

CD singles have been supplanted by singles compilations.

"NOW! that's what I call music!" volumes 1-whatever are always huge sellers... because and the teeny boppers save money only buying the one good song of each crappy pop artist they like.

True, and I have read somewhere that those single compilations cost next to nothing to produce since all the work has already been done, all they have to do is pay a small (to them) licencing fee and reap all the profits. I guess the music industry has pretty much done it to treir self, they gave the idea of custom compilations, taken away singles, no wonder record sales are droping, oh cant forget the fact that artist are so controled by their label that they have to be the spokes person for all the lawsuits. Kinda puts to question how hardcore some of these artist are.

[jesse]

CD singles have been supplanted by singles compilations.

"NOW! that's what I call music!" volumes 1-whatever are always huge sellers... because and the teeny boppers save money only buying the one good song of each crappy pop artist they like.

[bascule]

I am an ALBUM listener. I listen to them from start to finish. I would agree that there are very few albums that are this way anymore. I can think of a few, but again they aren't commercial albums...they are bands few people have heard of, and fewer purchase.

Then there's albums that really suck when they aren't listened to straight through from beginning to end, namely Pink Floyd's The Final Cut. There are a few songs that stand alone... The Gunner's Dream, Not Now John, the Heroes Return, but none of them very well, and they all lack enough commercial potential to get airplay.

[kree]

Yes I will agree with che to. It is hard to find good albums today which is probably the reason behind p2p & Itunes success. One thing that I have also seen go away are cassette and cd singles, if they still exsit they are very hard to find.

[Chris]

Not to mention later sue their fans.. I lost all respect for Metallica at that point. Fuck'em now.

Everything up to the black album kicked ass, and was probaby some of the finest full albums ever produced. I have worn out many more Metallica tapes than I can count.

One of the huge bitches about digital music trading is that it kills the "full album" mentality, where artists produce an album that is to be played from start to finish. I have not seen very many albums (if any at all) in the last 10 years that are great from start to finish, and made the listener feel like they were missing out if they only heard one or 2 songs. It is more economically rewarding for the record labels and the artists to concentrate on making one big hit on an album, then use the rest for filler crap.

Let's face it, we in an era were most bands do not even write/play their own music. We can only hope that one day the ideology of Floyd and Metallica will rise again, and new music will be a listening experience as opposed to mindless pre-fab stars crooning out crap that will not matter 6 months from now..

Well said che. I am an ALBUM listener. I listen to them from start to finish. I would agree that there are very few albums that are this way anymore. I can think of a few, but again they aren't commercial albums...they are bands few people have heard of, and fewer purchase.

Overkill and Rancid still put out consistently strong albums...but they are the exception, not the rule.

[Gadsden]

It is painful to think that a band that could make an album like Puppets actually had the nerve to put out Load.

Not to mention later sue their fans.. I lost all respect for Metallica at that point. Fuck'em now.

Everything up to the black album kicked ass, and was probaby some of the finest full albums ever produced. I have worn out many more Metallica tapes than I can count.

One of the huge bitches about digital music trading is that it kills the "full album" mentality, where artists produce an album that is to be played from start to finish. I have not seen very many albums (if any at all) in the last 10 years that are great from start to finish, and made the listener feel like they were missing out if they only heard one or 2 songs. It is more economically rewarding for the record labels and the artists to concentrate on making one big hit on an album, then use the rest for filler crap.

Let's face it, we in an era were most bands do not even write/play their own music. We can only hope that one day the ideology of Floyd and Metallica will rise again, and new music will be a listening experience as opposed to mindless pre-fab stars crooning out crap that will not matter 6 months from now..

[Chris]

Master of Puppets is (in my opinion) the greatest album ever made. It is perfect. From the accoustic, plodding opening of Battery through the last, aural assault of Damage, Inc. it is magnificent.

It is painful to think that a band that could make an album like Puppets actually had the nerve to put out Load.

On a side note, I halfway like St. Anger...in fact, if the songs had solos I would probably like it quite a bit. But alas, it doesn't have solos...and it was put together with Pro-Tools...and Lars used garbage can lids instead of snare drums....whaddaya gonna do?

[jesse]

I only liked the Cliff years: Kill 'Em All, Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets.

fun fact: Kill 'Em All was originally to be called "Metal Up Your Ass" and the record label said "no way" so Cliff told their manager "Fuck it, kill 'em all". They liked the sound of it so it became the album cover.