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  • Floydr47
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    Originally posted by astcell
    When they drum up business I am sure they are trying to drum it up for themselves, then when they fail, the customer feels doubley ripped off, once for getting an insecure product and again for not getting it fixed.
    Rather than continue this circular discussion on residual benefits, I will concede. Tip of the hat to you, Astcell, I shall return to lurking.

    :D

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  • astcell
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    When they drum up business I am sure they are trying to drum it up for themselves, then when they fail, the customer feels doubley ripped off, once for getting an insecure product and again for not getting it fixed.

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  • Floydr47
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    Originally posted by astcell
    Spotting a security hole does not make one an expert. Just like buying a Nikon camera does not make you a photographer. Computers, especially wireless features, are like quantum physics. The more you learn, the more you realize you do not know. Anyolne who claims to be able to fix and patch everything is scary, and anyone who can set up a Nintendo and therefore feels they can skip the MCSE classes is dfownright dangerous. The problem is that the public does not know exactly what is involved, they only want their systems to be secure.
    I never meant to imply that there were people around that could fix and patch everything. No matter how much a person tries to secure their system there will always be someone able to find a hole. Locks only keep honest men honest. What I wanted to point out was that people who don't know their ass from their elbow and write scare tactic articles are actually good for the security profession. They drum up business so to speak. So in essence, the idiot that wrote the article did everyone a service. You are 100% right when you say that the public doesn't know exactly what is involved, they don't need to. When they buy a car they don't go to mechanics school either...they depend on professionals when something goes wrong.

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  • astcell
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    Spotting a security hole does not make one an expert. Just like buying a Nikon camera does not make you a photographer. Computers, especially wireless features, are like quantum physics. The more you learn, the more you realize you do not know. Anyolne who claims to be able to fix and patch everything is scary, and anyone who can set up a Nintendo and therefore feels they can skip the MCSE classes is dfownright dangerous. The problem is that the public does not know exactly what is involved, they only want their systems to be secure.

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  • Floydr47
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    Although I personally found the article to be moronic and "old news". I am sure that a lot of "sheeple" who use wireless networks without understanding them will learn something from the article. You don't have to understand a telephone system to dial a number. I found the end of the article to be the most informative part:

    "There are professionals who can encrypt your wireless network that hackers likely won't be able to break."

    The article does promote business (and jobs) for the security community. How many of those "sheeple" would you imagine began looking for those "professionals" shortly after being scared out of their wits by the article. Without a need for security, there would be no need for security personnel.

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  • lil_freak
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    Originally posted by subversive
    What exactly is so wrong with that book. I'm a certified CISSP and I thought it was pretty well written and informative. It wasn't just a whole lotta shiznit like most of those kind of books are.
    There's nothing wrong with the book, it was written by the same Chris you'll see here on the forums. ASTcell was stating that it would not have been pretty if they pimped Chris' s book that's all.

    *You may want to re-read the whole thread again*

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  • subversive
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    Originally posted by astcell
    Thank heaven they did not try to pimp this book on the show!
    What exactly is so wrong with that book. I'm a certified CISSP and I thought it was pretty well written and informative. It wasn't just a whole lotta shiznit like most of those kind of books are.

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  • astcell
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    Thank heaven they did not try to pimp this book on the show!

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  • packeteater
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    For example, watch this, of the 200+ networks we found driving around, we found one named ###### ###### #####"

    Having your full name as your SSID and then on top of that not enabling WEP encryption is one hell of a class act.

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  • kree
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    Everyone be sure to correct him on his spelling of "lap top" .

    Laptop

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  • packeteater
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    "You can't control where the signal will go," said Hicks.

    ever heard of directional parabolic grid?

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  • lil_freak
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    I just hope that when he gets to my email(s), that I don't have people trying to knock down my door.

    (It might be bad to have as many email accounts as i do, expressiveness seems to flow/happen when I don't like something and that can be very bad)

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  • audit
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    Originally posted by Chris
    I have actually decided to wait until Sunday evening to email this fucker. I want to send a coherent critique of his piece rather than a profanity laced rant which will be quickly dumped into his delete bin.
    I'm already way in front of you Chris, I'm sure my e-mail got red flaged before it even hit him. I should've CC'd you on it, you would've been proud :D

    I did NOT send it from the miwi account though so I'll be sending him something else from that one but less profane, it'll take a lot of beers to do this so Sunday may be best also.

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  • jounin
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    Originally posted by Grifter
    I'm sure the "Consultant" used it to spread fear to drum up some business for himself.
    But of course........

    As seen on TV.....

    "Consultant" - http://www.planbnetworks.net
    Actual text from the "consultant's" site.

    "CURRENT SPECIALS
    Mention our "War Driving" story on KUTV and we will take 10% off your service charge. Call 801-949-4117 to have your wireless network checked for vulnerabilities, or for any of our other services."

    Please......

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  • Chris
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    Originally posted by lil_freak
    Postal might not be the right word to describe how Chris might feel after he sees the part on warchalking.

    Homicidal might be better.

    I have actually decided to wait until Sunday evening to email this fucker. I want to send a coherent critique of his piece rather than a profanity laced rant which will be quickly dumped into his delete bin.

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