What are schools comming too?

[astcell]

A dipoma says, "I can finish a four year project." Employers like to know that you can finish what you start.

[LosT]

College

I agree with Highwiz. I went to college to get a piece of paper. If you go for anything else you are in for a surprise.

A diploma says "I can find my way around a messed up bureaucracy, so I can survive in your work environment"

The first thing most places do when they hire you is teach you the way THEY want things done. The diploma says "I can adapt"-

LosT

[astcell]

I agree with Highwiz. I went to college to get a piece of paper. If you go for anything else you are in for a surprise.

[[Syntax]]

I expected to learn something, but I was really going for the piece of paper.. thing is my business started to grow, and I dropped out.. I only need like 3 semesters to get my bachelors. But all Id have is a piece of paper.. I find the more I work, and the more I go to school, the less I learn.. Having spare time to spend as I please is where I gain all my knowledge.

A diploma is worth even less when you work for yourself.. it would only be usefull if my business bombed and I was forced to go out and get a job.. and even then the info from college wouldnt be of much use. Most IT positions want experience, and references in addition to diplomas. And the requirements for jobs are usually things they dont cover in a 4 year degree.

[pezz]

I could take this personal, but I pride myself on being the exception! :D

[EeeekPenguins]

Iam going for the alcohol and boobies. :)

A deffinate sign, that I needed to take classes somewhere else if I wanted to actually learn something.

You went to college to learn something? I went there to get a piece of paper...

[[Syntax]]

Ive been lucky that the instructors Ive been assigned for tech classes, were open minded. One instructor put me to work as a teachers assistant, and another had me lecture the class on hardware, and update his syllabus. Im my instances I wasnt penalized for my knowledge.

The community college I attended didnt realize that technology changes rapidly.. and that books need to be changed every year.. if not every semester for tech classes. The book I was using in 2000 was talking about 486 CPU's the invention of the DX co-processor, and pentium 1. The instructor didnt even know about DDR, or SDRAM, AMD as an alternative to Intel, and didnt understand the basic concepts of DSL and Cable Modem.

They were still teach token ring, cluster, and star networks, as a lesson plan.

A deffinate sign, that I needed to take classes somewhere else if I wanted to actually learn something.

[pezz]

By Chuck Swindoll

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Once upon a time, the animals decided they should do something meaningful to meet the problems of the new world. So they organized a school.
They adopted an activity curriculum of running, climbing, swimming and flying. To make it easier to administer the curriculum, all the animals took all the subjects.
The duck was excellent at swimming; in fact, better than his instructor. But he made only passing grades in flying, and was very poor at running. Since he was slow in running, he had to drop swimming and stay after school to practice running. This caused his web feet to be badly worn, so that he was only average in swimming. But average was quite acceptable so nobody worried about that--except the duck.
The rabbit started at the top of his class in running, but developed a nervous twitch in his leg muscles because of so much make-up work in swimming.
The squirrel was excellent in climbing, but he encountered constant frustration in flying class because his teacher made him start from the ground up instead of from the treetop down. He developed "charlie horses" from overexertion, and so only got a C in climbing and a D in running.
The eagle was a problem child and was severely disciplined for being a non-conformist. In climbing he beat all the others to the top of the tree, but insisted on using his way to get there . . . .
A duck is a duck--and only a duck. It is built to swim, not to run or fly and certainly not to climb. A squirrel is a squirrel--and only that. To move it out of its forte, climbing, and then expect it to swim or fly will drive a squirrel nuts. Eagles are beautiful creatures in the air but not in a foot race. The rabbit will win every time unless, of course, the eagle gets hungry.

[bobaxos]

Zhym your right the english language is pretty complicated. But that doesnt mean (against all odds) that we cant change the meaning of a word such as hacker.

[Zhym]

What's the English language coming to [sic]?

I have no idea what your grades are, but they can only improve by learning the difference between "too" and "to", "principal" and "principle", and "affect" and "effect."

As for what the word "Hacker" means, it's the most futile of geek pedantry. A word's meaning is determined by its usage, and "hacker" has so long meant "malicious attacker of computer systems" to the general public that it's pointless to argue differently.

In this case, the question is correct. A person it describes is in fact known to most of the public as a hacker. Lots of technogeek types would rather that word were reserved for hardcore programmers, and the illegal attackers called "crackers", but that doesn't change the fact that the world at large doesn't use the word that way. It's useless to rail on the correct meaning of a word like hacker.

In geek terms: hacker is an overloaded identifier. In English, words can have multiple meanings. It just so happens that the word "hacker" has evolved to mean both hardcore brainy programmer types and people who illegally access computer systems. That's English for you.

[bobaxos]

just to clarify the 2 points that the teacher offered wouldnt have effected my grade.

[JoeSchmuck]

Grades only measure two things:
1) your ability to follow directions
2) your agreement with what the teacher states

Liberal arts courses seem to favor 2 more than 1 while hard sciences tend to favor 1 over 2.

I'd be inclined to say that 2) s/b "your ability to regurgitate what the teacher states" I can regurg without agreeing, and get the same grade.

[alanfree69]

perhaps the job for you.

Hey,

I enjoyed your test question...couldn`t agree with you more.

Perhaps, I have some homework for you!

Let me know,

Alan


alanfree69@yahoo.com

Guatemala

I took an online easy as hell class it was titled "Technology as the Future" or some crap. Basically it was a history on technology, (TV, radio, computers and so on.) with a little look on where its headed. I just finished taking the final and well here was a question that had no right being there considering there was never any talk about security or even the term "hacker"

here is the question in its pure unedited form:
<question>
44. (2 point(s))
A person who utilizes computers and computer networksto illegally gather information from other computersor
computer networks is known as a:

1. novice
2. beavis
3. slacker
4. hacker
5. al gore
Save Answer

</question>
I picked al gore and emailed the teacher about this question, still no response.

[bobaxos]

i would at least pm it to some of you but the online software doesnt actually do email addresses, its more of a PM system. Just like on this forum.