Lockpick Transportation

[murakami]

Checked luggage is best, but in a pinch stick them inside a folding umbrella. That's for educational purposes of course.

[TwinVega]

Checked luggage is best, but in a pinch stick them inside a folding umbrella. That's for educational purposes of course.

I wouldn't take the chance...especially sine it makes you look like you've got something to hide..but the best idea I suppose.

[murakami]

I wouldn't take the chance...especially sine it makes you look like you've got something to hide..but the best idea I suppose.

That's why its for educational purposes.

I xrayed my bag in the mailroom and it is such a tangle of wires and doodads that its really difficult to discern anything. Orientation can obscure objects. Not mention that a screener must make the call in several minutes, if that.

However, I always put the questionable things such as tools (screwdrivers, pocketknife,pliers) in checked luggage.

[TheCotMan]

Quote taken from LPCON signup post:

Count me in. I'm a rookie so ya'll don't make me look too bad. Anyone know how to get a lockpick set to Vegas if you fly? I was thinking of sending it fedex or ups to the AP.

(It is best to leave questions like this out of the signup space, as that encourages more posts unrelated to signups.)

Here is a thread on lockpick transportation. It was even listed in this section, on the same page of threads.

[guile]

Quote taken from LPCON signup post:


(It is best to leave questions like this out of the signup space, as that encourages more posts unrelated to signups.)

Here is a thread on lockpick transportation. It was even listed in this section, on the same page of threads.

Sorry man. I signed up and threw out the question. My fault

[guile]

I edited the post in the sign up thread. Hopefully no one will pull the bonehead move I did

[TheCotMan]

I edited the post in the sign up thread. Hopefully no one will pull the bonehead move I did

Good idea to edit your post in the signup thread, so nobody thinks to dirty up that thread. :-)

It almost makes up for me posting a reply to a nearly 1 year old thread. ;-)

Between responding in the signup thread, sending a private message, or ignoring it and hoping for the best, I chose the lesser of three evils.

[Deviant Ollam]

regarding state laws...

a quick note about state laws... there's a lot of misinformation/confusion regarding the statutes for the 50 states + the District. in this thread alone i've seen references to NJ and OR, both of which i believe may be in error. if anyone could cite the specific statutes to which they're referring that would be appreciated, since my talk addresses state laws and (according to the research i've done, which involved lawyers) only two states seem to have overly strict laws -- MS & DE -- regarding picking and posession of picks. NC comes close as well, btw, and NV laws are broad and open to a lot of interpretation.

if i'm wrong about any of this i'd like to update and revise my slides before the con. pointing me in the right direction for legal text would be appreciated. (particularly the point about NJ... since that's where i live and that's where Toool-USA is based, and as far as we know there are no violations listed for "unauthorized lockpicking" in the state criminal statutes. sure, plenty of states can charge you with burglary or illegal entry but it doesn't matter if you do it with picks or a crowbar to get that slapped on you. "picking without a license" makes it sound like hobbyists or un-certified locksmithing service providers are targets for prosecution, which i don't think is the case... the possible exception being NC in the case of someone providing the professional services of a locksmith without any paperwork.)

[lil_freak]

a quick note about state laws... there's a lot of misinformation/confusion regarding the statutes for the 50 states + the District. in this thread alone i've seen references to NJ and OR, both of which i believe may be in error.<snip, too long to quote entire post>

While I could post the laws for every state, I will refrain from doing so, seeing as how that would make for a very long post. I thought these two states might be the best ones to post, however if anyone would like to know the laws for their state and/or anyother state please feel free to pm or email me and i'll send the information your way.


Nevada
NRS 205.080 Possession of instrument with burglarious intent; making,
alteration or repair of instrument for committing offense.

1. Every person who makes or mends or causes to be made or mended, or
has in his possession in the day or nighttime, any engine, machine, tool,
false key, picklock, bit, nippers or implement adapted, designed or commonly
used for the commission of burglary, invasion of the home, larceny or other
crime, under circumstances evincing an intent to use or employ, or allow the
same to be used or employed in the commission of a crime, or knowing that
the same is intended to be so used, shall be guilty of a gross misdemeanor.

2. The possession thereof except by a mechanic, artificer or
tradesman at and in his established shop or place of business, open to
public view, shall be prima facie evidence that such possession was had with
intent to use or employ or allow the same to be used or employed in the
commission of a crime.

[1911 C&P § 372; RL § 6637; NCL § 10322]-(NRS A 1989, 1453)
NRS 597.880 Sale and advertising of master keys for motor
vehicles limited; penalty.

1. As used in this section, ?master motor vehicle key set?
means a key or keys that may be used to operate more than one motor
vehicle.

2. A person shall not sell a master motor vehicle key set to
any person except automobile dealers, automobile repairmen, locksmiths
and peace officers of the State of Nevada.

3. A person shall not advertise the sale of a master motor
vehicle key set except in trade journals of automobile dealers,
automobile repairmen and locksmiths.

4. Any person who violates the provisions of subsection 2 or 3
is guilty of a misdemeanor.

(Added to NRS by 1967, 142; A 1985, 347)-(Substituted in
revision for NRS 598.040)

NRS 655.040 ?Locksmith? defined. ?Locksmith? means a person
whose occupation consists, in whole or in part, of:

1. Making, repairing or adjusting locks; or

2. Operating locks by mechanical means other than those
intended by the manufacturers of the locks.

(Added to NRS by 1971, 839)

NRS 655.050 ?Permit? defined. ?Permit? means a permit to
operate as a locksmith or safe mechanic.

(Added to NRS by 1971, 839)

NRS 655.060 ?Safe mechanic? defined. ?Safe mechanic? means a
person whose occupation consists in whole or in part of repairing,
operating, adjusting or changing combinations on safes or vaults.

(Added to NRS by 1971, 839)

NRS 655.070 Permit: Requirement; investigation; issuance;
renewal; report of change of address.

1. Every person who wishes to operate as a locksmith or safe
mechanic must obtain a permit from the sheriff of the county in which
his principal place of business is located.

2. The sheriff of a county shall investigate each applicant and
shall issue a permit to each applicant who qualifies under any
ordinance adopted by the board of county commissioners of the county
which regulates the occupation of locksmiths and who is found by the
board of county commissioners to be suitable. An ordinance adopted by
the board of county commissioners must specify fees for the issuance
and renewal of a permit.

3. A permit expires 5 years after the date it was obtained and
may be renewed.

4. The holder of a permit shall have the permit in his
possession at all times.

5. The holder of a permit shall report any change of address of
his principal place of business to the sheriff of the county in which
the permit was obtained within 10 days after the change occurs.

(Added to NRS by 1971, 839; A 1981, 268; 1999, 31)
More info can be found at http://www.leg.state.nv.us

California
Note: Section 468 does not apply to lockpicks but I retained it for general interest.
PENAL CODE
SECTION 466-469

466. Every person having upon him or her in his or her possession a
picklock, crow, keybit, crowbar, screwdriver, vice grip pliers,
water-pump pliers, slidehammer, slim jim, tension bar, lock pick gun,
tubular lock pick, floor-safe door puller, master key, or other
instrument or tool with intent feloniously to break or enter into any
building, railroad car, aircraft, or vessel, trailer coach, or
vehicle as defined in the Vehicle Code, or who shall knowingly make
or alter, or shall attempt to make or alter, any key or other
instrument above named so that the same will fit or open the lock of
a building, railroad car, aircraft, or vessel, trailer coach, or
vehicle as defined in the Vehicle Code, without being requested so to
do by some person having the right to open the same, or who shall
make, alter, or repair any instrument or thing, knowing or having
reason to believe that it is intended to be used in committing a
misdemeanor or felony, is guilty of misdemeanor. Any of the
structures mentioned in Section 459 shall be deemed to be a building
within the meaning of this section.

466.1. Any person who knowingly and willfully sells or provides a
lock pick, a tension bar, a lock pick gun, a tubular lock pick, or a
floor-safe door puller, to another, whether or not for compensation,
shall obtain the name, address, telephone number, if any, date of
birth, and driver's license number or identification number, if any,
of the person to whom the device is sold or provided. This
information, together with the date the device was sold or provided
and the signature of the person to whom the device was sold or
provided, shall be set forth on a bill of sale or receipt. A copy of
each bill of sale or receipt shall be retained for one year and
shall be open to inspection by any peace officer during business
hours.
Any person who violates any provision of this section is guilty of
a misdemeanor.

466.3. (a) Whoever possesses a key, tool, instrument, explosive, or
device, or a drawing, print, or mold of a key, tool, instrument,
explosive, or device, designed to open, break into, tamper with, or
damage a coin-operated machine as defined in subdivision (b), with
intent to commit a theft from such machine, is punishable by
imprisonment in the county jail for not more than one year, or by
fine of not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both.
(b) As used in this section, the term "coin-operated machine"
shall include any automatic vending machine or any part thereof,
parking meter, coin telephone, coin laundry machine, coin dry
cleaning machine, amusement machine, music machine, vending machine
dispensing goods or services, or moneychanger.

466.5. (a) Every person who, with the intent to use it in the
commission of an unlawful act, possesses a motor vehicle master key
or a motor vehicle wheel lock master key is guilty of a misdemeanor.

(b) Every person who, with the intent to use it in the commission
of an unlawful act, uses a motor vehicle master key to open a lock or
operate the ignition switch of any motor vehicle or uses a motor
vehicle wheel lock master key to open a wheel lock on any motor
vehicle is guilty of a misdemeanor.
(c) Every person who knowingly manufactures for sale, advertises
for sale, offers for sale, or sells a motor vehicle master key or a
motor vehicle wheel lock master key, except to persons who use such
keys in their lawful occupations or businesses, is guilty of a
misdemeanor.
(d) As used in this section:
(1) "Motor vehicle master key" means a key which will operate all
the locks or ignition switches, or both the locks and ignition
switches, in a given group of motor vehicle locks or motor vehicle
ignition switches, or both motor vehicle locks and motor vehicle
ignition switches, each of which can be operated by a key which will
not operate one or more of the other locks or ignition switches in
such group.
(2) "Motor vehicle wheel lock" means a device attached to a motor
vehicle wheel for theft protection purposes which can be removed only
by a key unit unique to the wheel lock attached to a particular
motor vehicle.
(3) "Motor vehicle wheel lock master key" means a key unit which
will operate all the wheel locks in a given group of motor vehicle
wheel locks, each of which can be operated by a key unit which will
not operate any of the other wheel locks in the group.

466.6. (a) Any person who makes a key capable of operating the
ignition of a motor vehicle or personal property registered under the
Vehicle Code for another by any method other than by the duplication
of an existing key, whether or not for compensation, shall obtain
the name, address, telephone number, if any, date of birth, and
driver's license number or identification number of the person
requesting or purchasing the key; and the registration or
identification number, license number, year, make, model, color, and
vehicle identification number of the vehicle or personal property
registered under the Vehicle Code for which the key is to be made.
Such information, together with the date the key was made and the
signature of the person for whom the key was made, shall be set forth
on a work order. A copy of each such work order shall be retained
for two years, shall include the name and permit number of the
locksmith performing the service, and shall be open to inspection by
any peace officer or by the Bureau of Collection and Investigative
Services during business hours or submitted to the bureau upon
request.
Any person who violates any provision of this subdivision is
guilty of a misdemeanor.
(b) The provisions of this section shall include, but are not
limited to, the making of a key from key codes or impressions.
(c) Nothing contained in this section shall be construed to
prohibit the duplication of any key for a motor vehicle from another
key.

466.7. Every person who, with the intent to use it in the
commission of an unlawful act, possesses a motor vehicle key with
knowledge that such key was made without the consent of either the
registered or legal owner of the motor vehicle or of a person who is
in lawful possession of the motor vehicle, is guilty of a
misdemeanor.

466.8. (a) Any person who knowingly and willfully makes a key
capable of opening any door or other means of entrance to any
residence or commercial establishment for another by any method
involving an onsite inspection of such door or entrance, whether or
not for compensation, shall obtain, together with the date the key
was made, the street address of the residence or commercial
establishment, and the signature of the person for whom the key was
made, on a work order form, the following information regarding the
person requesting or purchasing the key:
(1) Name.
(2) Address.
(3) Telephone number, if any.
(4) Date of birth.
(5) Driver's license number or identification number, if any.
A copy of each such work order shall be retained for two years and
shall be open to inspection by any peace officer or by the Bureau of
Collection and Investigative Services during business hours or
submitted to the bureau upon request.
Any person who violates any provision of this subdivision is
guilty of a misdemeanor.
(b) Nothing contained in this section shall be construed to
prohibit the duplication of any key for a residence or commercial
establishment from another such key.
(c) Locksmiths licensed by the Bureau of Collection and
Investigative Services are subject to the provisions set forth in
Chapter 8.5 (commencing with Section 6980) of Division 3 of the
Business and Professions Code.
(d) The provisions of this section shall include, but are not
limited to, the making of a key from key codes or impressions.

466.9. (a) Every person who possesses a code grabbing device, with
the intent to use it in the commission of an unlawful act, is guilty
of a misdemeanor.
(b) Every person who uses a code grabbing device to disarm the
security alarm system of a motor vehicle, with the intent to use the
device in the commission of an unlawful act, is guilty of a
misdemeanor.
(c) As used in this section, "code grabbing device" means a device
that can receive and record the coded signal sent by the transmitter
of a motor vehicle security alarm system and can play back the
signal to disarm that system.

468. Any person who knowingly buys, sells, receives, disposes of,
conceals, or has in his possession a sniperscope shall be guilty of a
misdemeanor, punishable by a fine not to exceed one thousand
dollars ($1,000) or by imprisonment in the county jail for not more
than one year, or by both such fine and imprisonment.
As used in this section, sniperscope means any attachment, device
or similar contrivance designed for or adaptable to use on a firearm
which, through the use of a projected infrared light source and
electronic telescope, enables the operator thereof to visually
determine and locate the presence of objects during the nighttime.
This section shall not prohibit the authorized use or possession
of such sniperscope by a member of the armed forces of the United
States or by police officers, peace officers, or law enforcement
officers authorized by the properly constituted authorities for the
enforcement of law or ordinances; nor shall this section prohibit the
use or possession of such sniperscope when used solely for
scientific research or educational purposes.

469. Any person who knowingly makes, duplicates, causes to be
duplicated, or uses, or attempts to make, duplicate, cause to be
duplicated, or use, or has in his possession any key to a building or
other area owned, operated, or controlled by the State of
California, any state agency, board, or commission, a county, city,
or any public school or community college district without
authorization from the person in charge of such building or area or
his designated representative and with knowledge of the lack of such
authorization is guilty of a misdemeanor.
More info at http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/


/me thinks cotmans posts are starting to rub off on other members

[TheCotMan]

/me thinks cotmans posts are starting to rub off on other members

Even though the forums have primarily been a social outlet between DefCon events, a medium for planning/con-related discussion, and a magnet for tards does not mean we can't also have this kind of stuff.

In some ways, these forums have much in common with the BBS of past decades; there is no reason technical can't co-exist with social content. :-)

Maybe the technical stuff will scare away some of the tards... meaningful words arranged with proper syntax and spelling are to tards as sunlight is to vampires, otherwise they would not stay tards.

[Added content:]

Also, as for states, Deviant Ollam had a post in this thread that gave summary for some states.

particularly the point about NJ... since that's where i live

We had a discussion about New Jersey in this this thread .

[Deviant Ollam]

In some ways, these forums have much in common with the BBS of past decades; there is no reason technical can't co-exist with social content.

in another example of how i'm often so pleased with this community (a theme i've posted about in the past) i'm often awed over the fact that when people post contrary or disagreeing views it's rarely antagonistic. Never before among a community of techy people have I so often seen the use of phrases like "i believe" or "that may not be totally correct" etc.

Typically when you put a bunch of people together who are self-styled experts in any given field you get a whole lot of "who the fuck are you? you don't know shit about what you're saying!" and so forth. Call me crazy, but i just don't get that vibe from most of the DefCon community. (notable exceptions, of course, when threads are overrun by asshats who clearly have no idea what they're talking about and just copy/paste things that they googled five seconds before to seem knowledgable)

You'd think that with DefCon getting bigger every year the aggregate clue factor would experience diminishing returns, but somehow that just hasn't been the case, in my experience. I guess i just tend to hang with the right people... that, or the wrong people don't know how to adequately handle their booze and the hot sun and simply wind up passing out early in the day. Either way, i dig you all and look forward to seeing everyone soon.

(heh, this semi-drunken happy rant brought to you by Jim Beam... making fine sour mash Kentucky bourbon since 1795)

[TheCotMan]

You'd think that with DefCon getting bigger every year the aggregate clue factor would experience diminishing returns, but somehow that just hasn't been the case, in my experience.

I think that from DC5 to DC12, there have been increases in both groups (asshats and hackers) but the asshats seem to have a steeper growth rate than the hackers. :-/

Luckily, the forums have some good quality control in the form of quick criticism of unacceptable behavior. (If everyone was always nice, these forums would be overrun with tards in no time.)

I guess i just tend to hang with the right people... that, or the wrong people don't know how to adequately handle their booze and the hot sun and simply wind up passing out early in the day. Either way, i dig you all and look forward to seeing everyone soon.

"The right people" tend to gather where the tards don't, but then the tards want to be where they are not wanted. You've done well here. You have shown you contribute, and are going to be a speaker. You are reasonable, and that encourages other reasonable people to engage with you in conversation.
You get what you give. :-)