Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Defcon Readme

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Defcon Readme

    Uber's Defcon readme

    This year was my first time at Defcon. i wanted to pull together a readme for other future first-timers, so that their experience will be as terrific as mine was. I came to Defcon to learn not party and so my suggestions are geared more towards that ends. I hasten to add that I'm not knocking those who come to party. This readme is NOT geared towards those of you who have been coming to Defcon since Defcon I. I figure you all already know what you are doing. I've added additional comments from my buddy ironfst so check them out at the bottom of this document:

    I. Accommodations: I stayed at the Alexis Park and would do so again with a couple of caveats:
    1. Ask for a suite (non-smoking in my case) with two beds as far from the pool areas as you can get. This
    precaution is to ensure you can sleep at night. The AP was $140 per night for two double bed suite. Be sure to
    ask for a room with a jakuzzi.
    2. The next door hotel is the St. Tropez. It might be quieter than the Alexis Park, but it won't have the advantage
    of being able to see the presentations in your room on close circuit TV.
    http://www.sttropezlasvegas.com. If you book far enough in advance it'll cost you $99 a night for a Two-Room
    Suite with two double beds. 1(800)666-5400
    II. Comfort
    1. earplugs (foam vs wax versions) $2 at drugstore.
    Why?: If you aren't into partying, you may need these to be able to sleep at night. I've always had
    good luck with the foam ones since back when I shot pictures at rock concerts.
    2. Brita filtered water bottle $7 at local grocery
    Why?: because the local tap water is kind of chalky
    3. shorts with pockets.
    Why?: don't even think about jeans...it'll be too hot. Although you might want to bring one pair of nice
    long pants and a nice shirt in case you want to sample the night life in Vegas.
    Overheard quote of the con: "Relax this is Vegas, everything is dirty."
    4. white sneakers or sandals
    Why?: you could easily bake your feet under the desert sun if you wear black shoes. Plus sneaks
    won't set off the alarms at the airport. If you wear anything else, security will make you take off
    your shoes during checkin. $3-5 at Kmart/Walmart, $13 Cross Trekkers canvas shoes at PayLess.
    5. tiny electric fan
    Why?: the air conditioner in my room had two settings: freezing-ass cold and off.
    6. beach flip flops
    Why?: the deck around the pool is painted brown...think hot HOT desert sun and I think
    you can see why bare feet would be a bad idea. Why did they paint it brown? So the hotel staff can laugh their
    asses off at drunken hackers trying to swim and drink bear.
    7. sunblock 30+
    I come from a long line of pasty-faced Celtic peoples who are not adapted to the desert sun. Besides when was
    the last time you saw a Goth chick with a tan? Nuf said.
    8. iPod
    Why?: I flew in from the east coast and had to change in Atlanta. Needless to say I spent
    alot of time in airports because I'm too cheap to pay for a direct flight. I realize there are other mp3 players out
    there...just none cooler.
    www.apple.com
    Check out the "Bose QuietComfort 2 Acoustic Noise Cancelling Headphones". Yes I know
    they are pricey but you can use them with your iPod/other mp3 player OR just use them to
    cancel out the noise on the airplane etc. Particularly useful if hung over. Very sweet and they fold flat.
    Average price $299.
    http://www.bose.com or http://www.amazon.com

    9. reading material for plane: think something absorbing that won't freak out the airport security staff.
    Hey I like Loompanics too but maybe that book on Nitro-Explosives might be a bad idea going through airport
    security. http://loompanics.com/
    May I suggest:
    "Hacking the Art of Exploitation" by Jon Erickson
    "Wi-Foo: The Secrets of Wireless Hacking" by Andrew Vladimirov
    "The Shellcoder's Handbook: Discovering and Exploiting Security Holes" by Jack Loziol, David Litchfield, Dave
    Aitel, Chris Anley, Sinan Eren, Neel Mehta and Riley Hassell
    www.amazon.com
    www.bookpool.com (cheaper than amazon)

    III. Connectivity
    powerstrip: any hardware store $10
    cat5 patch cables (at least 4)
    cross over Null-modem cable: in case you want to console onto something ;-)
    wireless access point (linksys)
    Now some asshat will probably kill off all hope of wireless networking within minutes of you putting this
    up. Think mac address filtering, wep enabled, changing the snmp strings, password protection etc etc.
    Be nice, knock on the doors of your neighbors and offer to share the connection.
    laptop (at least one) The coolest ones I saw were small Japanese not-sold-in-America models and my favorite the
    Apple 12 inch powerbook.
    PDA: Sharp Zaurus SL5500 usually sells on ebay for like $150 or so. Might offer interesting wireless possibilities
    since it takes a standard pcmcia wireless card I believe. Also runs Linux...woohoo!
    wireless card
    Orinoco Gold
    Senao high powered 802.11b 11Mbps 200mW.
    http://www.netgate.com/NL2511.html ** this is senao card just rebranded, note the two external antenna
    connectors, check ebay as well, I've seen the senao there for $60 bucks...just verify it has a connector for an
    external antenna.
    wireless external antenna
    http://cantenna.com/
    solar power for your laptop "Sun Catcher Expedition"
    ok a luxury I admit it, but so freakin cool.
    http://www.mobileplanet.com/product....6560&listing=1
    Hub: for those spontaneous hacking lan parties anyone? I prefer hubs over switches, allows more effective sniffing
    see CompUSA or MicroCenter or Fry's, $30 or so.
    Condoms: flavored, ribs, glow in the dark, I leave it to your imagination. I urge everyone to practice safe 'wet'
    hacking.

    IV. Cure
    Advil, Ibuprofin
    Alkaselzer
    No illegal stuff folks. If Priest finds out yer holdin, he'll kick yer ass. And no I won't buy anyone beer.

    V. Eats:
    Granola Power bars. Waiting in line or in the Capture the Flag competition, you need to nourish your body. Throw a
    few of these in your backpack.
    Multi vitamin **without iron for men **with iron for women.
    Powdered Protein shakes. You can get these at CVS. I prefer the carbless ISO Pure. Keeps you healthy
    Water: this is an obvious thing for west coasters but east coasters have to remember to drink water throughout
    the day. Las Vegas is in the middle of a desert. You can easily dehydrate yourself if you are not careful.

    VI. Misc.
    notebook and pens
    shoulder backpack "Swiss Gear GA-7303-13" $60 at Best Buys
    http://www.onlinebags.com
    http://www.bestbuy.com/
    Props to my buddy ironfst for suggesting this, you rock dude!
    If you carry a small laptop think about a sleeve type case to protect it within your backpack. Airport security
    will make you take your lappy out and run it through the x-ray machines, so the sleeve will give it some
    additional protection.
    neck ticket/ID holder
    holds ticket and picture ID/passport. It will help get you through security a bit faster.
    http://www.luggagepoint.com/luggage_...8&prod_id=1760
    Cash
    about $30 a day if you don't gamble and drink lightly. It's very hot in Vegas so drink lots of bottled water (see
    ironfst's note below)
    batteries AA
    digital camera: assuming you can still see straight enough to take pictures.
    digital recorder: you might want to record certain presentations.
    mini-screwdriver set: in case you want to disassemble your laptop for some reason.

    Don't Bring:
    Black T-shirts:
    Think about the thermal properties of black T-shirts under a HOT desert sun.
    bad attitude: for gosh sakes be nice to the goons. My experience is they are all doing a tough job. They need
    our support so we can all have a good con experience. I just can't say enough good things about them.
    You guys rock.

    Don'ts:
    Don't try to go throught airport security advertising your "evil haxorishness". Airport security is *ahem* somewhat paranoid these days so lets not freak the straights, ok? Try and blend in a little.

    If you can't say something intelligent at the Con, just shut up. Don't complain. The goons are doing the best they can.

    ***************************************

    Note from ironfst

    This document was graciously prepared by uber for the uninitiated
    Defcon attendee and or traveler, most of the crowd at the con is a younger
    crowd and has never left home before. If you fall into that group then
    this document is for you.

    Equipment

    If you bring antenna's its better to have in your checked bag. If you buy
    lock picks, and other things that may freak out airport personnel, mail it
    home. (self explanatory)

    Hotdog Flavored Water

    Okay, one of the cabbies was kind enough to explain to me the water
    situation in Vegas. All of the water in Vegas is recycled the locals call
    it Grey water. Yes you heard me right recycled, what that means is all of
    the water is re-filtered and purified and re-distributed for your thirst
    quenching enjoyment aaaggghhhh now thats brisk baby [I dont remember
    eating corn for lunch). I suggest treat it like your in Mexico and drink
    bottled water while there; if you are the adventurous type I was told
    after a few days of drink grey water you may get the shits from your body
    adjusting. Of course the cabby could have been pulling
    my leg, but in the middle of the desert I dont think there is a vast
    amount or rain and water. Needless to say it’s still pretty damn funny, so
    I pass it on to you.

    Internet Access

    Script Kiddies, don’t DOS or hack the hotel network and the free internet
    hot spots, that your fellow h4x0r5s have setup. Bandwidth is limited,
    share the love. Keer Nabash (Dont Be Dick)

    Clothes

    Pack at least one pair of boxers, socks etc for each day you are there.
    Bring one or two pair of cargo shorts.

    For the Night life, a pair of slacks and various shirts for each night,
    shoes and socks (most hotels have dry cleaning, so you dont have to pack
    heavy) you can always were the clothes you flew in on back home.

    When you travel pack efficient but light, only take what you need and are
    going to use.

    Nite Life

    If you are feeling adventurous and want to see the sites ask any cabbie
    were the spots are most are glad to help and will answer all of your
    questions.

  • #2
    I stopped reading after seeing "Stayt as far away from the pool" and "Don't bring black t-shirts." I too at one time thought I could sleep at night at Defcon. You can't. if you cannot adjust to that for a few days then stay home and wait for the videos to get posted.

    This year I was right at pool #2, saw it out my window. Got to sleep at 6am and slept until noon. That's what it is all about!

    Comment


    • #3
      My wife was ill-prepared for the zaniness that is Pool 2. We were at the end of building 16 and could hear the party at Pool 3 even.

      She's not one for late night partying as much as she used to so I got to hear about it all weekend. :(


      I fear the truisms of your HOWTO guide will fall upon deaf ears. Most of the kiddies who come to DC now will only learn the hard way. Just tell them VEGAS == HOT AS FUCK so maybe they'll bring along some spare change for a bottle of water ($4 at the AP? WHAT A DEAL!)
      We own everything so you don't have to!

      Comment


      • #4
        After reading the entire thing I am betting he gets a lot of nosebleeds and has a handful of allergies.
        if it gets me nowhere, I'll go there proud; and I'm gonna go there free.

        Comment


        • #5
          Bottle opener.

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by macuber
            Uber's Defcon readme...
            CotMan''s additions:

            Don't bring too many Tees; buy DC tees to wear when you get there.
            Bring good vibes, good times, best social skills.
            Lighten your load; buy beer in LV and give some away to spread cheer
            Bring Rental Car, or beer to pay for seat to grocery store/bbq

            Leave behind computer unless you are using it for DC activities.
            Leave behind attitude, ego, arrogance, whining
            Leave behind wife/sig-o/husband unless they will enjoy DC or will go out to LV on their own to enjoy other sights in LV.

            For new people:
            Don't do any one event to excess-- spend a little time with each event.

            Comment


            • #7
              I stopped reading after " The AP was $140 per night for two double bed suite. Be sure to ask for a room with a jakuzzi." To my knowledge, the double bed suites are single story and don't have jacuzzis available (at least not for $140).

              The funniest part is the three suitcases you'd need to bring the stuff listed in this readme. I started attending Defcon a few years ago. I brought a laptop... once. After that, I discovered that unless you're involved in a DC event that needs tech, DON'T BRING TECH. Some don't have the luxury of being able to ignore email (for ONE day), but look into an alternative to the AP network or wireless (consider dialup over cellular for instance** [sprintpcs comes to mind]). Those are fairly dangerous waters and not for the casual user the Readme is directed at.

              A well thought out document, but I'd still have to point anyone looking for information about attending Defcon to the Unofficial Defcon FAQ.

              **thanks Skroo
              spahkle
              Absurd Fetishist
              Last edited by spahkle; August 10, 2004, 22:01.
              “Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same.”

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by macuber
                -......most of the crowd at the con is a younger
                crowd and has never left home before.......
                WTF are you babbeling about?

                If your first trip away from home is DC, your going to lead a REALLY fucked up adulthood.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by converge
                  After reading the entire thing I am betting he gets a lot of nosebleeds and has a handful of allergies.
                  LOL
                  nah just don't have the level of beer stamina I once had ;-)

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by spahkle
                    The funniest part is the three suitcases you'd need to bring the stuff listed in this readme. I started attending Defcon a few years ago. I brought a laptop... once.
                    A well thought out document, but I'd still have to point anyone looking for information about attending Defcon to the Unofficial Defcon FAQ.
                    Good points
                    I wasn't suggesting you bring all or even most of what I mentioned. The thing I wish I had most was the Brita filtered water bottle because the local water was kinda bad.
                    Now some folks see Defcon as a chance to party. Thats fine. Some see it as a tech conference and learning experience. That was my orientation. Adapt the readme to suit yer ends. No disrespect intended to the Unoffical Defcon FAQ. Thats good too.

                    I brought my laptop to Defcon, because I bring it everywhere I go anyway;-)

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Bah, I wear nothing but long pants and black shirts. But I am from Utah, so I guess I'm used to being miserably hot. Plus my legs are about as white as my iBook, thus they blind anyone within a 5 mile radius if I wear shorts.

                      Definetely stock up on your own food and drinks before the con. $2 for a 12 oz. can of Sierra Mist is horrible. And don't drink the local water no matter how thirsty you get. I had one cup of the stuff and felt like I was pissing fire for the rest of the night.

                      Excellent writeup. I remember my first con (DC10). Seems like only yesterday. Excuse me while I crawl under my desk and drift off into a deep state of nostalgia.
                      "These last twenty minutes have been the best years of my life." -Goliath, "The Matrix Comics"

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Being a fellow FAQ/Readme Author I thought I would share some honest insight on your "readme".

                        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                        Defcon Readme
                        Uber's Defcon readme

                        This year was my first time at Defcon. i wanted to pull together a readme for other future first-timers, so that their experience will be as terrific as mine was. I came to Defcon to learn not party and so my suggestions are geared more towards that ends. I hasten to add that I'm not knocking those who come to party. This readme is NOT geared towards those of you who have been coming to Defcon since Defcon I. I figure you all already know what you are doing. I've added additional comments from my buddy ironfst so check them out at the bottom of this document:
                        ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                        I hope in the future in coming to Defcon you can find a happy medium for partying and Learning. They really do go hand and hand. If you goto a conference and learn tons of information but do ZERO networking then you have only partialy succeeded at Said conference.

                        --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                        I. Accommodations: I stayed at the Alexis Park and would do so again with a couple of caveats:
                        1. Ask for a suite (non-smoking in my case) with two beds as far from the pool areas as you can get. This
                        precaution is to ensure you can sleep at night. The AP was $140 per night for two double bed suite. Be sure to
                        ask for a room with a jakuzzi.
                        Did you use your "jakuzzi"? If you are getting a room just for a jakuzzi and have the option to pay more and get it or pay less and not have it, then I recommend the latter instead of the former.

                        2. The next door hotel is the St. Tropez. It might be quieter than the Alexis Park, but it won't have the advantage
                        of being able to see the presentations in your room on close circuit TV.
                        http://www.sttropezlasvegas.com. If you book far enough in advance it'll cost you $99 a night for a Two-Room
                        Suite with two double beds. 1(800)666-5400
                        Getting a room at the St. Tropez is nice, especially if you have friends who are staying at the AP, but since you stated that you are there soley for the purpose of learning and not partying (and didn't reference networking). Then I guess friendships and networking aren't something your "into".

                        2. Brita filtered water bottle $7 at local grocery
                        Why?: because the local tap water is kind of chalky
                        You can get cheaper water bottles, and they still have the same chemical compound and are clean. Moreover, if you have a friend (goes back to this "networking thing) with a Sam's Club card or access to a military base you can get water even cheaper.

                        3. shorts with pockets.
                        Why?: don't even think about jeans...it'll be too hot. Although you might want to bring one pair of nice
                        long pants and a nice shirt in case you want to sample the night life in Vegas.
                        Overheard quote of the con: "Relax this is Vegas, everything is dirty."
                        Actually, if you have linen pants it can be quite comfortable and the air flow can be better then shorts with less of a burn.

                        4. white sneakers or sandals
                        Why?: you could easily bake your feet under the desert sun if you wear black shoes. Plus sneaks
                        won't set off the alarms at the airport. If you wear anything else, security will make you take off
                        your shoes during checkin. $3-5 at Kmart/Walmart, $13 Cross Trekkers canvas shoes at PayLess.
                        Odd, I never had to take off my shoes at the airport. This is hit or miss really depending on what airport, etc.

                        6. beach flip flops
                        Why?: the deck around the pool is painted brown...think hot HOT desert sun and I think
                        you can see why bare feet would be a bad idea. Why did they paint it brown? So the hotel staff can laugh their
                        asses off at drunken hackers trying to swim and drink bear.
                        The shoes should be enough for you. If you think it is safe to swim in that water once DefCon starts then the third tit you will grow is all on you.

                        7. sunblock 30+
                        I come from a long line of pasty-faced Celtic peoples who are not adapted to the desert sun. Besides when was
                        the last time you saw a Goth chick with a tan? Nuf said.
                        30? Try 45+... Know your audience.

                        8. iPod
                        Why?: I flew in from the east coast and had to change in Atlanta. Needless to say I spent
                        alot of time in airports because I'm too cheap to pay for a direct flight. I realize there are other mp3 players out
                        there...just none cooler.
                        www.apple.com
                        Check out the "Bose QuietComfort 2 Acoustic Noise Cancelling Headphones". Yes I know
                        they are pricey but you can use them with your iPod/other mp3 player OR just use them to
                        cancel out the noise on the airplane etc. Particularly useful if hung over. Very sweet and they fold flat.
                        Average price $299.
                        http://www.bose.com or http://www.amazon.com
                        Learn to fly the same airline and keep the heads phones from that flight for next time, or you can sleep or strike up a conversation with a random person... Wait.. you're the guy who doesn't like to network, my bad. I flew from the East Coast too and didn't need to have an ipod.

                        9. reading material for plane: think something absorbing that won't freak out the airport security staff.
                        Hey I like Loompanics too but maybe that book on Nitro-Explosives might be a bad idea going through airport
                        security. http://loompanics.com/
                        Read a Novel on the plane.. it's better, trust me.

                        III. Connectivity
                        powerstrip: any hardware store $10
                        cat5 patch cables (at least 4)
                        cross over Null-modem cable: in case you want to console onto something ;-)
                        wireless access point (linksys)
                        Now some asshat will probably kill off all hope of wireless networking within minutes of you putting this
                        up. Think mac address filtering, wep enabled, changing the snmp strings, password protection etc etc.

                        <snip>
                        Don't bring your laptop to Defcon unless A) you are in a competition or B) actually think you will participate in the Notex.

                        IV. Cure
                        Advil, Ibuprofin
                        Alkaselzer
                        No illegal stuff folks. If Priest finds out yer holdin, he'll kick yer ass. And no I won't buy anyone beer.
                        Won't buy anyone beer.. I guess that puts you in the stingy bastard category. I made a lot of friends via beer... Wait.. you're the "non-networking/making friends guy". My bad..

                        V. Eats:

                        Water: this is an obvious thing for west coasters but east coasters have to remember to drink water throughout
                        the day. Las Vegas is in the middle of a desert. You can easily dehydrate yourself if you are not careful.
                        Goto HOPE, you sound more up that alley and it's closer to you.

                        VI. Misc.
                        notebook and pens
                        shoulder backpack "Swiss Gear GA-7303-13" $60 at Best Buys
                        http://www.onlinebags.com
                        http://www.bestbuy.com/
                        Props to my buddy ironfst for suggesting this, you rock dude!
                        If you carry a small laptop think about a sleeve type case to protect it within your backpack. Airport security
                        will make you take your lappy out and run it through the x-ray machines, so the sleeve will give it some
                        <snip>
                        Why are you bringing a laptop to con? You can sit on IRC and talk with your friends all the time during the year.. go out and make some friends.

                        Don't Bring:
                        Black T-shirts:
                        Go - Smoke - some - more - Dope.

                        Think about the thermal properties of black T-shirts under a HOT desert sun.
                        But why would you wear any other color except black? Hey.. if you have enough of that "water" stuff you keep talking about then wearing the black shouldn't matter.

                        bad attitude: for gosh sakes be nice to the goons. My experience is they are all doing a tough job. They need
                        our support so we can all have a good con experience. I just can't say enough good things about them.
                        You guys rock.
                        On this note I will agree with you 100%. But since you don't buy other people beer then you're still not cool. Buy a goon a beer if you think he rocks.

                        [quote
                        Don'ts:
                        Don't try to go throught airport security advertising your "evil haxorishness". Airport security is *ahem* somewhat paranoid these days so lets not freak the straights, ok? Try and blend in a little.
                        [/quote]

                        "freak the straights?" Is that a knock on heterosexual people... Damn Gays and their hatemongering..

                        ***************************************

                        Note from ironfst
                        This document was graciously prepared by uber for the uninitiated
                        Defcon attendee and or traveler, most of the crowd at the con is a younger
                        crowd and has never left home before. If you fall into that group then
                        this document is for you.
                        "most of the crowd at the con is a younger crowd and has never left home before".
                        Maybe we went to two different Con's. I went to DefCon12.. Where did you go?
                        A great majority of the people were old enough to have left there homes multiple times before.

                        Equipment

                        If you bring antenna's its better to have in your checked bag. If you buy
                        lock picks, and other things that may freak out airport personnel, mail it
                        home. (self explanatory)
                        Internet Access

                        Script Kiddies, don’t DOS or hack the hotel network and the free internet
                        hot spots, that your fellow h4x0r5s have setup. Bandwidth is limited,
                        share the love. Keer Nabash (Dont Be Dick)
                        I guess since you said it, it will be done! He's right though kids, don't hack the network or DoS it.. Instead just wage an Electronic Jihad upon him, and leave the rest of the network untouched.

                        <snip other stuff>

                        I started this reply trying to be nice, but then he really started to annoy me.


                        No disrespect intended to the Unoffical Defcon FAQ. Thats good too.
                        It's actually better, not "good too". The reason that it's better is because it really was a collaborative effort by members of these board and of the Defcon community.

                        Then again, I'm also biased. I guess what irked me the most was you talking about bring so much tech to Con and your lack of socialization.

                        Anyway, I'm not trying to be mean to you. But my advice is: goto more then one Defcon, then do writeup for it. Get out and socialize, goto the ToxicBBQ. I think your perspective of the "Partying" will change. Because it really depends on the people you chose to associate with at con. We had some really fun times in the QC, but then again you had to have a card to get in...

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by spahkle
                          Some don't have the luxury of being able to ignore email (for ONE day), but look into an alternative to the AP network or wireless.
                          If you can't get away from email, about the best approach is dial-up over cellular. Yeah, it's slow, but you can at least stay in touch with the office and are essentially isolated from the AP's infrastructure. Just something to consider.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by skroo
                            If you can't get away from email, about the best approach is dial-up over cellular. Yeah, it's slow, but you can at least stay in touch with the office and are essentially isolated from the AP's infrastructure. Just something to consider.
                            2nd for this one. I had to pull some files down in prep of the WarDrive competition/registration setup. At the time, the AP's wireless was still unstable, so the cellular/pcs dialup was a lifesaver. The latency sucks ~400 ms, but downloads were about ISDN speed, plus not having to worry about being DOSed back to the Bronze Age. ;)
                            Aut disce aut discede

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              <Rant>
                              Forget trying to strike a balance between Learning and partying, do both to thier full potential!

                              Case in point, DC12: Partied, drank, competed in the WD competitions and generally got into the usual Defcon Mayhem and did'nt see a single presentation.

                              You might ask How I am learning then?

                              6 years of Defcon teaches you alot of things, such as to goto one of Vegas's many pawn shops and grab a VCR for cheap and alot of tapes. Record the presentations you are interested in for later perusal at your leisure and sobriety.

                              You may not be able to ask questions, however most of the presenters are an email away after the con.

                              Quality might be less than stellar, but the information is there and can be reviewed easily.

                              So those who attend nothing but talks and miss out on a truely vegas expereince, it's your choice, but You don't know what your missing
                              </Rant>
                              Never drink anything larger than your head!





                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X