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Sometimes I hear on the news that some hacker have been caught.. I know that you can use proxies and wingates to surf anonymously on the internet, but how do the hackers that don't get caught, "hide" themself on the internet? Lets say they port-scan a server, and the server logs their ip-adress. Later they get access to the server with some exploit. Then it must be no problem for the owner of the server to find who port-scanned and exploited the server. When the owner of the server have their ip-adress he/she can just call the isp and find out who ever did it, right?
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How do you know they haven't all been caught already? It's like Eric Rudolph - folks paint this mental image of super villians out there just because they have not been caught yet.
Considering the many methods of anonimity, even getting an AOL account off a stolen credit card, or using an Internet Cafe, it is easy to start anew after one or two hacks. Just like bad guys who get new cell phones or phone cards. The trail to find them with is mighty short.
Anytime someone builds a better mousetrap nature will supply a better mouse. Remember the old keyboard locks on PCs where you needed a key to get the keyboard to work? You don't see those anymore. Now we have passwords that are supposed to be better than a physical key.
Another thing is personal PC security. Folks walk away from their computer for lunch and don't bother to logoff. There you go, you have a free untraceable tool right there. Once again, no genius required.
I wish genius was necessary to really write penetrating code. Unfortunately we have script kiddies, bots, and you can even google for code. Sorta takes the challenges out of it. -
Yes, you are right about that. Even though I'm not a hacker.I wish genius was necessary to really write penetrating code. Unfortunately we have script kiddies, bots, and you can even google for code. Sorta takes the challenges out of it.-- dev_zero@Comment
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Nostalgia... that is all seems left of those good times...Originally posted by astcell
But there had been many changes in the way the world behaves, and spins... It is requiered from us a total new vision of the whole picture now. The real villians are there, not playing the game we used to play, but bloody murderous intentions instead. So the new scheme of things only left us with one possible choice, team up with who we used to play bad guys, so we can together be a more efficient force to developt the tools and safe guard what we hold dear, maybe we can play bad guys later again in the future...Love is a Mental IllnessComment
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Why do hackers get caught? That is like asking why people who commit credit card fraud get caught. That answer is that hackers who as a rule act independently are simply outclassed when it comes to covering their Asses by the government. The US government devotes millions of dollars and many man hours to tracking down little old you. To put this is fanboy terms, batman vs. superman.....yes batman is smart and uses many gadgets but in superman’s case he does not need to be smart to use overwhelming force to take care of things.Originally posted by dev_zeroDid Everquest teach you that?Comment
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Hackers don't get caught, because hackers don't commit crimes; criminals do.perl -e 'print pack(c5, (41*2), sqrt(7056), (unpack(c,H)-2), oct(115), 10)'Comment
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Post hoc, ergo proctor hoc. And an ISP will not turn over customer data (usually) without a court order. But that doesn't answer your question. The best answer is probably, any way they can.Originally posted by dev_zeroComment
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hehe :) don't you like it..? Don't you use GNU/Linux?Originally posted by basculeLast edited by dev_zero; October 11, 2004, 03:46.-- dev_zero@Comment
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Yes, many of us do, but you seem to be advertising Skittles at first glance. ;)
This is more or less an echo at this point, but crackers that pull off a crime big enough to get the Government's attention usually don't get away. In comparison:
Using a high-tech crime lab, the police could discern the identity of a person who stole $50 from a 7-11 cash register and left an arm hair on the scene. However, they're MUCH more likely to use those resources to catch a murderer or someone who pulled off a bank heist. It works about the same way with cybercrime.Comment
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I think the capture rate of law enforcement is high because there are very few true 'Crackers' out there. Most 'Crackers' simply download applications and run them without understanding how network/security/programming -- maybe even their own computers work. There have been cases where true 'Crackers' have gotten away with crimes that are still unsolved today.I saw your mom on myspace!Comment
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a great answer, God bless you Chris.Originally Posted by Chris
Hackers don't get caught, because hackers don't commit crimes; criminals do.Comment
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That depends on who you are asking, if you ask a guy from the government he would use "hacker" as a synonym for cybercriminal. I think you're right!, a "hacker" is not necessarily a guy who does something illegal. e.g Richard Stallman is a hacker and Rik Van Riel is a hacker..Originally posted by CopLast edited by dev_zero; October 11, 2004, 08:54.-- dev_zero@Comment
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Most people use hackers in that way.I saw your mom on myspace!Comment
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I'm inclined to say that most electronic criminals dont get caught because law enforcement is spread too thin to deal with it. Right now if you have a computer crime for the FBI, they basicaly want to know
1. Is it terrorism related?
2. Is it child pornography?
If your crime is neither, it goes into the big queue and they may or may not get to it.
Attackers have a great number of ways to hide, cyber cafes, fradulent ISP accounts, compromised computers, but overall I think its a lack of resources on the governments part that really lets them get away with things.
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