Amature CTF

[TheCotMan]

I think you may have missed my point a bit in saying that wireless should be avoided ... The main thing to consider here is that if you can't control the environment,

It looks like they are addressing networking concerns mentioned here, on their forums:
http://dc949.diseasedmind.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34

I understand the concerns that people have with using wifi connectivity. We should have been more clear when describing the setup. Wifi was chosen partially for convience, and partially for availablty. It's a lot easier to connect (which is good and bad), and we don't have to worry about having enough gear for everyone to plug in.

The setup will be two computers connected to a wifi access point. The victim and the scorekeeper will be wired together. I'm not suggesting that they'll be any safer, but I don't think the setup was described clearly earlier.

And we could always make it a wired contest at the last second, provided we have the gear handy. It's not like anything is written in stone.

So, I guess, they want to deal with this contest entirely on their forums.

[skroo]

It looks like they are addressing networking concerns mentioned here, on their forums:
http://dc949.diseasedmind.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34

DoS by Panasonic 2.4GHz cordless phone. Done.

[Bounty]

I still think ease of use wins here...

[TheCotMan]

DoS by Panasonic 2.4GHz cordless phone. Done.

I still think ease of use wins here...

Heh-heh, heh-heh,(*ring* *ring*) umm. {picks up 2.4GHz cordless phone}
Um. Hello?
(garbled response on phone.)
No way fartknocker! I am not a "Reality Chick." I am a dude.
(garbled response on phone.)
"Check?" No way bunghole! You check! I'm Beavis, BEEE VUS! (*click*)

I am not saying there will be problems if this contest is just wireless, but if there are, there will be no sympathy from me. Actually, there will be laughter, and maybe even an "i told you so."

[skroo]

I am not saying there will be problems if this contest is just wireless, but if there are, there will be no sympathy from me. Actually, there will be laughter, and maybe even an "i told you so."

See, I was thinking a Gigarange phone base in a backpack complete with 12V lantern batteries to power it could be tons o' fun. Just have someone walking 50' or so away from you with the handset on, maybe using the intercom to really get the FHSS going, and watch the signal swampage...

[TheCotMan]

See, I was thinking a Gigarange phone base in a backpack complete with 12V lantern batteries to power it could be tons o' fun. Just have someone walking 50' or so away from you with the handset on, maybe using the intercom to really get the FHSS going, and watch the signal swampage...

Nice. :-) I was envisioning a WiFi network that was not switched where people, who were amatures in the game, ran full port scans-- DoS by players. Your idea is much better. It is too bad they are not using the offered "Reality Check."

[skroo]

Nice. :-) I was envisioning a WiFi network that was not switched where people, who were amatures in the game, ran full port scans-- DoS by players. Your idea is much better.

Thank you :) Actually, I think most of the consumer-grade hardware now switches its traffic rather than broadcasting it, but, yeah, get enough people on there all running nmap at the same time and it's gonna go tits-up.

It is too bad they are not using the offered "Reality Check."

I had similar concerns until it dawned on me that nobody is under any obligation to listen to or act on any advice given, no matter how much sense it may make.

[Bounty]

Is this event running during certain hours, or 24 hrs?

Where do you guys think would be a good place to put the switch and servers if there was an ethernet connection?

[dataworm]

Maybe we should all put our stuff up on the wireless with "Ameture CTF" as the SSID etc. Obviously wireless coverage would be only be in certain areas based on which room you end up with, but if enough people do this, then there should be a ACTF box neaby to play with.

Interesting, so you would be hacking box based on the SSID

What if some evil motherfucker would bridge defcon wireless network and your "Ameture CTF" wireless network

Just my 2c... I would't know anyone evil enought to do that...

[TheCotMan]

Is this event running during certain hours, or 24 hrs?

Where do you guys think would be a good place to put the switch and servers if there was an ethernet connection?

Since this was announced earlier as a DefCon Contest, the organizers should be able to request space. Most likely places would be near the original CTF contest, in the "chill-out" space, or the contest room.

Organizers could contact a DefCon goon, like one that manages the space desired.

Just my 2c... I would't know anyone evil enought to do that...

Maybe you will have success in being more convincing. :-)

[Vyrus]

well im sure at this point you are all quite mad at me for not getting on the public faze of this (defcon form) sooner but hay, im a bussy guy and some things had to be done last minute but rest asured... we will be there and functional (i hope lol).

also i should anounce that when it comes to skillz and us runing the contest, we are all quite n00bs when it comes to defcon vets (im the only one whos actuly BEEN to defcon before in our group :P), so take it easy on us, i know there are a LOT of wholes in this setup and im quite sure that we will suffer manny small (but managable) desasters but that is how we learn. " i mean defcon is about learning about the hacker world yes :P".

now to answer some of the more pertrudeing questions that have poped up here (NOTE, these questions are answered on our site, this is just where the acitn is so i figured i should say somthing late better than never).

1) where to sighn up

well acording to the goons, they gave us a table in the event hall "where the robot warez contest was last year i think" and we will hold sighnups the first day and you will know us by a "BIG ORANGE AND BLACK SIGN, that sais "dc949" on it"

2) why wifi

well because it's fast and we dont have to setup a station for people to plug in while ther ecompeating, all i have to do is show up for the day and turn on the router and the 2 systems :P. issues i know but hay, better than nothing :P

[Hardware]

next year

As part of Dc 949 I can say this. next years will be much better and wired. We are already planning for next year right NOW! You will NOT be disappointed

[TheCotMan]

As part of Dc 949 I can say this. next years will be much better and wired. We are already planning for next year right NOW! You will NOT be disappointed

I wasn't there, but wanted to know how did the wireless worked out? Any loss in service?

[Mr_T]

Thursday, I got a chance to stop by the vending area. I noticed wardrivingworld.com was selling classic gold orinoco cards. I took this as a sighn to play some Amature CTF. I got to the Amature CTF area in all excitemt, to sign up, finding out that the target OS was mandrake. This was great, because I use mandrake. I went back to my hotel with cantenna in one hand and rest of the stuff in the other. Got back to the Amature CTF area, all ready to put my skills to the test. No luck, they were having problems with the wifi network, but they had it working before. As for me, I din't have a verry good experience

The guys that were hosting the Amature CTF were really nice and informative.
I'm sure next year, you guys will have better luck.
But if you want some help, I have a couple of boxes that I can punch some holes in to make it easyer. Next year, I think you should have a projector that will display the results like the non-Amature CTF. I can make the script or something more visual appealing then the non-Amature results, but I don't know if I can supply the projector.
That's if you want me to help

[John D]

[QUOTE=Mr_T]Thursday, I got a chance to stop by the vending area. I noticed wardrivingworld.com was selling classic gold orinoco cards. I took this as a sighn to play some Amature CTF. I got to the Amature CTF area in all excitemt, to sign up, finding out that the target OS was mandrake. This was great, because I use mandrake. I went back to my hotel with cantenna in one hand and rest of the stuff in the other. Got back to the Amature CTF area, all ready to put my skills to the test. No luck, they were having problems with the wifi network, but they had it working before. As for me, I din't have a verry good experience


The problem was that the new wireless network DT bought (Aruba) was so good it attacked the amature CTF wireless network (thinking it was an unauthorized AP). Next year they will make sure the network goons know about it ahead of time so they can let it exist.

-John