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  • dataworm
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    Originally posted by Demon Furor
    This is great to know :).

    Now how to explain to my employer why the company paying for my trip to a hacker conference is necessary, any ideas?
    Hum you could tell them about that other job your thinking to accept if they don't send you to defcon

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  • Salem
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    Originally posted by lucifex
    Become valuable enough to your company that you can tell them that you're going to a convention in vegas, when you're leaving, when you'll be back, and how much it's going to cost them.

    I have personally never used defcon for CPE's, but I can't see that it would be a problem.
    This is pretty much what I did with my company and the upcoming LayerOne conference. Other than the price for the room at the Hilton, the bosses were completely ok with the idea. As for DefCon, avoid telling them about anything that happens after the sun sets. Explain to them that the seminars you will be attending will help further your ability to do your job at the utmost ability. Describe some of the topics that will be covered in the seminars and make him believe that if you knew this stuff, it would make his life easier.

    Once I convinced the two bosses directly above myself that if they let me do the things I tell them Im going to do that it makes their lives easier, they pretty much trust my word that things will run how they should.

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  • lucifex
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    Originally posted by Demon Furor
    This is great to know :).

    Now how to explain to my employer why the company paying for my trip to a hacker conference is necessary, any ideas?
    Become valuable enough to your company that you can tell them that you're going to a convention in vegas, when you're leaving, when you'll be back, and how much it's going to cost them.

    I have personally never used defcon for CPE's, but I can't see that it would be a problem.

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  • Adrenaline
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    Originally posted by TheCotMan
    Pull out technical descriptions of previous presentations and find several that will help your employer to be more effective, or efficient if you were educated about them. Compare and contrast the cost of presentations offered at BlackHat to the cost of those offered at DefCon. Sell your employer on BlackHat, and then check to make sure payment for blackhat still gets you into DefCon. Explain that attending both will allow you to ask questions in presentations of BlackHat that ran the same times as the ones you attended.

    Suggestions are same as any sale... find what motivates the person, and advertise to them directly by feeding these motivations.
    It's true, it's just a big sales pitch, if you're serious about going, but not sure about your boss jumping at the idea, spend a week paying closer attention to your boss and his interests, you'll find keywords and points to use to help you out in your 'pitch'. If he drives a beamer, use that. "You know, attending blackhat in comparison to just using some sort of book study is like comparing a bmw to a metro, one costs a bit more than the other, but the performance and what you get for your buck is unrivaled," etc. He'll think, 'wait. I own a BMW.. and im a pretty cool guy...perhaps I should send him..' heh. you get the idea, just listen for his selling points and run with it.

    btw, this is in no way a plug or supporting endorsement for BMW. :D

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  • bascule
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    Originally posted by Demon Furor
    Hello, was just wondering if anyone here has been able to use sit-ins at Defcon seminars as credit to get certifications renewed, like the CISSP...
    Perhaps you could use it to get recertified in moonshine drinking...

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  • TheCotMan
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    Originally posted by Demon Furor
    Now how to explain to my employer why the company paying for my trip to a hacker conference is necessary, any ideas?
    Pull out technical descriptions of previous presentations and find several that will help your employer to be more effective, or efficient if you were educated about them. Compare and contrast the cost of presentations offered at BlackHat to the cost of those offered at DefCon. Sell your employer on BlackHat, and then check to make sure payment for blackhat still gets you into DefCon. Explain that attending both will allow you to ask questions in presentations of BlackHat that ran the same times as the ones you attended.

    Suggestions are same as any sale... find what motivates the person, and advertise to them directly by feeding these motivations.

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  • Demon Furor
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    This is great to know :).

    Now how to explain to my employer why the company paying for my trip to a hacker conference is necessary, any ideas?

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  • macuber
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    yes you can

    Originally posted by Demon Furor
    Hello, was just wondering if anyone here has been able to use sit-ins at Defcon seminars as credit to get certifications renewed, like the CISSP...
    1. You can use attendance at Defcon towards CISSP credits. I know because I did it last year and there were no problems.
    2. Attendance at Defcon is not by itself an ethical violation or reason to get you bounced from CISSP-hood unless you do something else that is stupid.
    3. With reference to #2 above, if you do something truely stupid at Defcon, I'm sure one of the scads of feds, intel spooks, cops, Treasury agents, Secret Service agents etc etc at the con will gladly show you the errors of your ways;-) That would be a bigger problem than being at odds with ISC2.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    Cant' get laid elsewhere???

    try Delta (tri-delt)

    Goddess I really didn't like those snot-nosed wenches...dumb, but easy...

    Wait...hrmmmm....oh! screw it!

    valkyrie

    sapere aude


    Originally posted by astcell
    I'll use this on my resume, che. This is me in the bottom right corner!

    Did I mention my pool2girl business cards?

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  • astcell
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    I'll use this on my resume, che. This is me in the bottom right corner!

    Did I mention my pool2girl business cards?

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  • Gadsden
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    Originally posted by astcell
    Putting DEFCON on a resume, to me, is like telling me you were in the TKE fraternity in college. It says more about you as a person than the education received.

    That can be good. I'd never want to work for anyone who thought Defcon sucked.
    ... or you could have your employer find something like this and shoot any employment chances to hell. Folks I work with know I go to defcon, but I do not and would not put it on a resume. (Although it would be interesting.. Experiance: Defcon Goon: Organized Pool 2 Girl orgy.)

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  • astcell
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    Putting DEFCON on a resume, to me, is like telling me you were in the TKE fraternity in college. It says more about you as a person than the education received.

    That can be good. I'd never want to work for anyone who thought Defcon sucked.

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  • Sam Shazaam
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    Not what I meant to say

    I did not mean to say that you would lose accreditation by attending DEFCON. Certification is used to boost your own cause, typically on a resume. Most of the people I work with know I attend DEFCON. I do not put it on my resume however. I have great respect for the training at DEFCON but I would not expect any one outside the community to honor it.

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  • Chris
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    Originally posted by Sam Shazaam
    The information in the seminar is excellent. However attendance at DEFCON could easily be seen as a reason to deny certification, especially CISSP. They would likely see it as giving a locksmithing license to a safe cracker. Any one attending a hacker convention is suspect.

    As hackajar said, this is just silly. I actually looked to see if this nonsense was posted on April 1st.
    You will not lose your CISSP for attending DEF CON. That's just retarded.

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  • hackajar
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    Originally posted by Sam Shazaam
    However attendance at DEFCON could easily be seen as a reason to deny certification
    This is just wrong, period. Attendance at DefCon will not get you expelled from any professional organization. On the off chance it does, then that organiztion is not worth the two bean to be in it anyways.

    Usually CISSP credits for renewal need to come from a more structured event, such as Trainings (not brefings) at BlackHat, or SANS tracks. There is no test at the end of a talk, and DefCon doesn't really have focused learning tracks.

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