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  • Wesson357
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    Looks like the key for some random brand safe which can be seen at office depot. Might be a sentry but Im not sure.

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  • Twigman
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    Originally posted by skroo
    I know exactly the ones you mean... They usually go on sliding doors or double-glazed windows. Thing is, they usualy don't have anything cut into the planes - IIRC, they're designed so that if you lose the key, you can still open the door / window / whatever with a regular Philips screwdriver.



    Can't hurt to check. Hell, it could even be that the keys you're talking about are just the cruciform blanks.
    Ok.
    Turns out your are 100% correct. You can buy the (blank) keys in DIY stores I also found out.
    Congratulations on working out what I meant from teh piss poor description!
    Also the one i saw had 6 planes not 4.

    Next time I'll learn to keep my mouth shut I think.

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  • John D
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    I have a key similar to that (a little longer). It is used for the disk lock on my motorcycle.

    -JohnD

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  • skroo
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    Originally posted by Twigman
    I will try and find out what its called but Im not an expert, but they are the kind that are installed at the top and bottom of an external door to provide extra security, and turning it pushes a round bolt into the frame...I guess much like a normal lock...lol
    I know exactly the ones you mean... They usually go on sliding doors or double-glazed windows. Thing is, they usualy don't have anything cut into the planes - IIRC, they're designed so that if you lose the key, you can still open the door / window / whatever with a regular Philips screwdriver.

    This maybe completely wrong but it does look pretty familiar.
    Can't hurt to check. Hell, it could even be that the keys you're talking about are just the cruciform blanks.

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  • Twigman
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    Oooo....that looks *very* similar to a style of security lock for doors I have seen (although this is the UK)...

    I will try and find out what its called but Im not an expert, but they are the kind that are installed at the top and bottom of an external door to provide extra security, and turning it pushes a round bolt into the frame...I guess much like a normal lock...lol

    There is one at someones house I know...I'll go and have a look and see if I can get a name.

    This maybe completely wrong but it does look pretty familiar.

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  • skroo
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    Originally posted by akasteve
    Here is a link the might help you narrow your search
    Its for cruciform style key blanks
    Interesting... Thanks for that. It looks like mine is most closely related to either the Papaiz or Tuff Elephant keys.

    Hm, more digging...

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  • akasteve
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    Here is a link the might help you narrow your search
    Its for cruciform style key blanks

    http://www.davenport-burgess.com/pag.../cruciform.pdf

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  • skroo
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    Originally posted by Siviak
    where did you get said key?
    In all honesty... Denny's. Someone left a lanyard with a bunch of keys on it behind at one of the LA2600 meetings and the manager handed it over to me. Odd thing is, it had car keys, etc. on it, so I'm really left wondering how they got home - or at least why no email ever hit the list asking if anyone had found the things.

    And I managed to grab three photos, which can be found here. In the first picture there's a small lump just barely visible on the top part of the plastic covering. Our best theory so far is that this is an alignment mark used to determine the key's orientation as it's inserted into the lock. The other two pictures are varying degrees of out-of-focus (my camera's having issues ATM), but do show the difference in the cut in the planes.

    Haven't had any luck turning anything up on it via Google, but then I'm kinda at a loss as to what terms I should really be searching with.
    Last edited by skroo; July 13, 2005, 22:39. Reason: Managed to generate 3000 words

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  • Siviak
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    where did you get said key?

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  • skroo
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    Originally posted by TheCotMan
    A picture is worth a thousand words.
    Agreed. Camera's down right now, though, and may or may not be back up in time for Defcon.

    As for the suggestion that it's a key to The Club... I guess it's entirely possible; I've never owned one, so can't say.

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  • Deviant Ollam
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    Originally posted by astcell
    If I bring a STU-III key can someone make a lock?
    heh, someone could get a STU-III working an place a call to the pentagon saying something like, "hello... this is brigadier general Leeto McDrunkerson with the 88th First Amendement detail. we're pinned down, taking heavy fire from hostiles at 36.789º N, 76.232º W! requesting a tactical air strike!"
    Last edited by Deviant Ollam; July 14, 2005, 07:49.

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  • astcell
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    If I bring a STU-III key can someone make a lock?

    You'd be famous, I promise.

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  • kallahar
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    The cheaper ones have the cuts on four sides, but only pins on one. Many "double sided" keys work that way as well, it's more of a convenience feature or snake-oil rather than true increased security.

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  • renderman
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    Originally posted by astcell
    Sounds like a key for THE CLUB automobile steering wheel lock.
    That's most likely what it is. 4 sets of pins, one on each plane, however there are usualy only 2-3 pins per plane. Even then, it's odd orientation and having to pick 4 seperate directions makes them a pain in the ass at the very least.

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  • akasteve
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    It might be an Abus Plus Keyway

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