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  • skroo
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    Originally posted by Falln
    I don't doubt his genius. I'm sure he is a smarter person than I could fathom. This holds no bearing, however, on his speaking abilities, which were sub-par, and the content presented, which was trivial.
    Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick, Stuart. Are you the kind of person who just pisses and moans about everything because they can?

    You want to know what sucks at Defcon? Driving across the desert to hang out with your friends, then getting dragged to hospital on Thursday night with an intestinal infection that keeps you 90% out of action for the rest of the weekend. Missing all the talks you wanted to see and parties you wanted to go to. Not being able to adequately carry your share of the responsibilities within the networking goons because of the same. Driving back home across the same desert and nearly killing yourself en route because the medication you've been given is beating the living hell out of your metabolism. And finally, the cherry on top: getting to listen to someone piss and moan after the fact because the schedule changed and he couldn't figure out how to keep up with it despite being surrounded by six thousand other people who seemed to have their shit together enough that, despite the inconveniences, they (and I) still managed to have an enjoyable weekend.

    Oh, and while we're at it: the 'old man's' proper name is Robert Tappan Morris, Sr., who has done a damn sight more for you that you obviously realise. At least have the decency to show respect for someone who has made it entirely possible for you to step up on the public soapbox and make a total ass of yourself.

    Fucking retard. Seriously, stay home next year and invest the $80 you just saved on a 55-gallon drum of Massengill sand-removal formula.
    Last edited by skroo; August 2, 2005, 15:56.

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  • TheCotMan
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    Originally posted by Falln
    And no, The ATM presentation wasn't good.
    Opinions are like assholes, and you've got too many. Time to plug some of those hole up, because you are getting crap everywhere.

    The old man that was up there starting talking about
    You do not know who he is, do you?

    fire axes and fork lifts as a way to exploit ATMs. And hey, he told us not to use ATMs in wierd spaces. This was a good one, buy one on ebay and put it somewhere.
    These are issues that exist today. There have been successful runs where people have done just that. Drop an ATM at a busy location to copy mag-strip data from inserted cards, & PINs and then tell the user that there was a problem. After a few days at a busy location, think of the numbers of card/pin combinations that could be "gathered."

    About 2 years ago, we had a presentation (perhaps by him or an associate of his) where there was discussion of pseudo card readers placed onto existing machines, made to look like they were part of the existing ATM. People would insert their card into what they though was the ATM but in reality, the fake device was actually stealing their MagStip data and a camera was recording the PIN keys.

    Issues where slots on valid ATM were stuck with debris with a lookout person set to watch the PIN from a distance. The Debris caused the card to get stuck, and when the person left, the abuser would come back with a long strip of metal to yank the card, clear the debris, use the card and steal money.

    As for "strange places" that is a serious one too. You would be surprised at how many ATM have a mirror, or glossy surface in front of them to allow people to look into reflections to see your PIN, or transparrent surfaces that create an illusion of privacy.

    Last year he spoke about risks to leaving your receipts from ATM transactions laying about, and information leakage with the information that is printed. He hinted that he was going to speak about this as a risk this year, but I missed DC this year.

    Glad to read you won't be there again.

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  • Falln
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    I don't doubt his genius. I'm sure he is a smarter person than I could fathom. This holds no bearing, however, on his speaking abilities, which were sub-par, and the content presented, which was trivial.

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  • Grond
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    Originally posted by Falln
    Defcon doesn't just cost 80 bucks. Plane fair, time off from work, hotel fees etc need to be considered. And no, The ATM presentation wasn't good. The old man that was up there starting talking about fire axes and fork lifts as a way to exploit ATMs. And hey, he told us not to use ATMs in wierd spaces. This was a good one, buy one on ebay and put it somewhere.
    The "Old Man" you refer to is one of the greatest minds of our time, and the fact that you don't know that says a lot. He's been places and done things you can't even dream of. He is by all accounts an American hero. His son is pretty damn smart too...look them up sometime and weep in your own ignorance.

    He may have a little trouble speaking these days, and his talks at BlackHat and Defcon might have been a little slow, but he his as old school hardcore as they come, and you should consider yourself lucky to have seen Dr. Morris while he's still with us. I can only hope that if I ever reach his age I might garnish a little more respect from puny minds such as yourself.

    I'm glad you won't be there next year. More free beer for me and the good Doctor.

    -g

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  • klepto
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    Originally posted by Falln
    That's exactly what I plan to do.
    Thank you for being the bigger person.

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  • Falln
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    Originally posted by octalpus
    Good. Be disgruntled and don't come next year. One less person to fight for a seat in the talks.
    That's exactly what I plan to do.

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  • octalpus
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    Originally posted by Falln
    Defcon doesn't just cost 80 bucks. Plane fair, time off from work, hotel fees etc need to be considered. And no, The ATM presentation wasn't good. The old man that was up there starting talking about fire axes and fork lifts as a way to exploit ATMs. And hey, he told us not to use ATMs in wierd spaces. This was a good one, buy one on ebay and put it somewhere.
    Good. Be disgruntled and don't come next year. One less person to fight for a seat in the talks.

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  • Falln
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    Defcon doesn't just cost 80 bucks. Plane fair, time off from work, hotel fees etc need to be considered. And no, The ATM presentation wasn't good. The old man that was up there starting talking about fire axes and fork lifts as a way to exploit ATMs. And hey, he told us not to use ATMs in wierd spaces. This was a good one, buy one on ebay and put it somewhere.

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  • Gadsden
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    What color was the goon's shirts you asked. I told a dozen or more folks I did not know what talk was coming up, even when I was gooning it. If it was a person in a red shirt, quite frankly we had much higher priorties, such as keeping people from killing themselves and each other. The blue shirt goons (speaker goons) are usually the ones on top of the talks, and as far as I knew they did a good job for the circumstances. Defcon is more mass confusion than father's day in a trailor park.. it is not possible for everything to run perfectly. Of the people that were bitching about not being able to find a talk most that I asked did not bother to ask at the info booth. Those guys were not just sitting there for the hell of it.. they were there to help and did do so.

    For the record, the next person that I hear snivel about paying $80 and did not get to see a talk they wanted gets my boot right in the taint. Yes, $80 is a good chunk of change for some folks. Like someone said.. that is not much when you factor it out over a few days. Face it, where the fuck else are you going to get 3 days of fun at that price?!?)

    The talks were on hotel tv, etc.. until becoming a security goon I have never missed a talk I wanted to see since I started going at DC9. (now I have more important things to worry about at con, such as helping make sure your $80 is not for nothing). The rule of thumb is this: can't find a talk? Ask. Don't know who to ask? Go to the info booth? Can't get in a talk? Find a TV. Can't get in a talk or find a TV? Get a drink, look at the shiny CD you got when you registered, relax, and make some friends. The talk will be posted online soon enough. None of that makes you happy? Then fuck off. You are probably being a pain in everyone's ass.. For the folks that bitch that they spent $80 to be here and are not happy... so did 6,000+ other people that will tell you that is the highlight of their year.

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  • xwred1
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    I didn't have any trouble getting into the talks I wanted. It seemed easy enough to catch up on scheduling changes just by word of mouth, and by referring to a cached copy of the website's schedule each morning.



    Was the ATM presentation good? I wanted to see it, but ended up getting tugged somewhere else by friends iirc.

    My favorite one this year was the Infrared one. It was pretty awesome. Maybe it was the delivery of the presentation. I was always thinking "wow, thats cool" and then Major Malfunction kept taking it to the next level and showing something even more wicked. Lots of jokes always help too :)

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  • Dutch
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    Originally posted by Zhym
    Yes, yes. That's every bit as clever on the five thousandth repetition as it was on the first.
    You know, StumblerCon has been cancelled as well ?

    Dutch

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    Originally posted by JoeTampa
    Your tard-foo is stronger than mine - where, exactly, is that information posted? Right, I thought so.

    It's not my fault that you don't have inside sources fuckboy...

    Now run along before I make you my new bitch.

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  • JoeTampa
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    Originally posted by highwizard
    Ok, you are tard.. Defcon isn't at the AP next year and the facilities are larger.. So sit down and shut the fuck up like a good little bitch. Ok? Thanks.. Bye.

    Your tard-foo is stronger than mine - where, exactly, is that information posted? Right, I thought so.

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  • JoeTampa
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    Originally posted by octalpus
    There was a telephone number for recorded schedule information. It was kept up to date. If you couldn't read the signs that were posted in plain sight every couple feet, that sounds a lot like a "you" problem. The phone line was an incredible concept and we heard nothing but compliments about its availability.

    Perhaps you missed the part in my post where I stated that it was NOT updated.


    Originally posted by JoeTampa
    I called the interactive scheduler from the tent - it hadn't been updated. I went to the info booth and was told that it had indeed been switched.
    It was a nice system, I'll grant you that. But at 4:25, it was still telling me that the rescheduled session was in progress even though it wasn't.

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  • Guest's Avatar
    Guest replied
    Originally posted by Falln
    Well, I'm glad you guys had a good time, but I didn't enjoy it, and the people around me didn't look too pleased either. On a side note, did anyone go to ATM Network Vulnerabilities on the first day? Ohhhhh man.

    Then don't go back.. You won't be missed.

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