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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4436428.stm

    The US is headed for a showdown with much of the rest of the world over control of the internet at this week's UN summit in Tunisia.

    Most net users probably do not spend a lot of time worrying about who runs the resource they are using, but there is a global battle brewing over that very question.

    The internet grew out of US military and academic research, and the US government still has certain measures of control over it.

    Other nations, however, are clamouring for a bigger say and are pushing for significant changes at the UN's World Summit on the Information Society.

    The issue is expected to overshadow the summit, which is intended to focus on how to take the internet to less developed parts of the world.

    Government role

    Most internet users around the world would agree that the internet has been functioning, technically, quite well.

    It is not a monolithic entity. In fact, it is comprised of some quarter of a million private networks that choose to interconnect with each other.

    A California-based non-profit created by the Clinton Administration in 1998, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (Icann) is charged with making sure that these networks talk to each other.

    The organisation says its job is technical, making sure that web addresses take surfers to the right site.

    What Icann does not do is "run" or "control" the internet, according to Theresa Swinehart, General Manager for Global Partnerships at Icann.

    "Actually, nobody runs or controls the internet single-handedly. It is multiple parties, multiple businesses, users, and networks connecting to this. All these different groups, organizations and companies have a responsibility."

    But Icann operates under a memorandum of understanding with the US Department of Commerce. To some, that looks like American control of the internet.

    "The rest of the world doesn't want to see US hegemony here, in large part just for symbolic reasons," says Jonathan Zittrain, Chair in Internet Governance and Regulation at Oxford University.

    "So there's one set of countries, anchored by Iran, Cuba and China, that would like to see some process by which governments of the world have a much larger hand in controlling the shape of the internet."

    Many African politicians are also asking for "regime change" on the internet, and the European Union called in September for a new, international body to govern the net.

    US stands firm

    But the Bush administration and many in the US Congress reject the idea.

    Both the US Departments of Commerce and State have reiterated that the US will maintain what they call "stewardship" of the internet. They contend that the US, working with Icann, is best placed to ensure an open, secure and stable online environment.

    And in a recent letter to the Wall Street Journal, Republican Senator Norm Coleman wrote: "There is no rational justification for politicising internet governance within a United Nations framework."

    That view has plenty of support outside the US.

    "We don't see any advantage in moving toward UN control," says Bill Graham, who works on internet governance issues for the Canadian government.

    "In fact, we're on record as opposing that. We just feel it would be bureaucratically heavy and frankly, unnecessary."

    Mr Graham supports a compromise measure, some kind of international forum that would have no oversight duties, but would help other nations feel like they have more input into how the internet functions.

    At risk

    Some in the anti-US camp are threatening more drastic action. They say, if the US won't cede some control, they will create their own internet.

    Michael Geist, who teaches internet law at the University of Ottawa, says that a world of multiple "internets" might not be a good thing.

    "What's at risk is the possibility that the communications system of the internet that we've come to rely upon, the ability for me to send an electronic message anywhere around the world, and similarly access websites around the world, and have little doubt that my requests will be recognised, is put in some measure of peril by the fact that we might have several different internets," he said.

    The UN summit is due to look at ways of getting more people online
    Few think this will actually happen, but the threat will be there as politicians and technocrats from across the globe meet in Tunisia from this week.

    Special preparatory meetings to address the internet governance issue are under way ahead of the summit's official start on Wednesday.

    "It's a political battle where, I think it was Henry Kissinger who once said, 'the fighting is so fierce, precisely because the stakes are so small'," says Oxford's Jonathan Zittrain.

    "Almost all of these things are in part the result of what happens when you get a bunch of diplomats in a room.

    "They'll find a way to have a grave disagreement, then have a way to work it through, and eventually come out with a communiqué, and it may not have anything to do with the technically realities of the way the internet works."

    It would be better, Professor Zittrain says, for governments to focus on the serious internet issues that do need an international solution, especially things like spam, phishing, and cyber security.

    Others have called upon leaders to focus their efforts on the original intent of the summit to find ways to bring the benefits of information and communication technologies to the developing world.
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  • #2
    It seems as if a lot of your threads/posts lately are predicting some sort of end in one way or another. You gotta learn to be more optimistic and less pessimistic.
    Did Everquest teach you that?

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    • #3
      Fuck the UN. Seriously, fuck every last one of them. Worthless fuckholes.

      And I'm not even thinking about this particular issue, just a general sentiment.

      I return whatever i wish . Its called FREEDOWM OF RANDOMNESS IN A HECK . CLUSTERED DEFEATED CORn FORUM . Welcome to me

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      • #4
        Just to sound like a dumb arrogant American ... umm..

        arpa -> universities -> public -> world -> people whining about it 'looking like it belongs to the US' ...

        Did I miss the part where it isn't our technology that everyone is using? oh wait.. if we don't release it they're gonna pack up and make their own sandbox to play in? ...

        ...
        if it gets me nowhere, I'll go there proud; and I'm gonna go there free.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by converge
          if we don't release it they're gonna pack up and make their own sandbox to play in? ...
          That's the exact threat the US faces by failing to relinquish control: two seperate domain name registries, one US controlled, one UN controlled.

          And since the root servers are anycasted, they can just point all requests outside of the US to brand new UN/EU controlled nameservers.

          Not that any of that could actually happen, but these are the kinds of things failing to play nicely on an internationally administered network allows for.

          I for one would love to see ICANN's role shifted to a group like the ITU instead...
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          • #6
            Let them go ahead and do just that. Like anything else the UN does, it will fold without the US paying for it.

            A US government agency built it . If the UN takes it over, are they going to compensate the US Government for the development costs? Somehow I doubt that. Most of the countries in the UN can't sustain their own economies without us sinking foreign aid into them.

            Noid said it best: Fuck the UN.
            Thorn
            "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." - Catherine Aird

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Thorn
              A US government agency built it .
              That's really a gross oversimplification. It's more like the US originally designed it and provided the many of the raw materials, but the actual effort of designing and installing the infrastructure of the assorted ASes which comprise the Internet (not to mention paying for it) was accomplished by the other nations themselves. The evolution of the Internet is now an international effort, and the standards are evolving largely through international cooperation (my preferred web development platform, Ruby on Rails, is built on a language designed by the Japanese, for example)

              Imagine how closed off America would be if the rest of the world severed all Internet links to America. It's really silly to continue to think of the Internet as somehow being ours.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by noid
                Fuck the UN. Seriously, fuck every last one of them. Worthless fuckholes.

                And I'm not even thinking about this particular issue, just a general sentiment.
                Just imagine an "Oil for Internet" fiasco.

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                • #9
                  All the root servers are run by various, private, non-govt groups now, aren't they?

                  My understanding is that the root of this current dispute over dns is because a tld which had gone through all the necessary approvals with ICANN and those guys was smacked down out of nowhere by the US commerce dept.

                  I think it was a .xxx domain and they smacked it down because it was "inappropriate" by definition of the current White House administration. Maybe someone else can google up a story... I'm too lazy :D

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bascule
                    Imagine how closed off America would be if the rest of the world severed all Internet links to America. It's really silly to continue to think of the Internet as somehow being ours.
                    Gee, now who's talking gross simplications? I see it as you're looking at it backwards. Image how much the rest of the world would be cut off, if the US severed all Internet linkes to them.

                    Why should it be changed? It's not broken, and in fact works very well. A change at this point would be purely political, and beside making a bunch of Third World polititians popular in their home countries ("We have wrested control of the People's Internet from the Devil America!"), it would serve no purpose.

                    When you get right down to it, this is a non-issue. One of the people quoted in the article said it best.:
                    It would be better, Professor Zittrain says, for governments to focus on the serious internet issues that do need an international solution, especially things like spam, phishing, and cyber security.
                    Thorn
                    "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." - Catherine Aird

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                    • #11
                      Crisis averted...American way of life guaranteed...no limits on pr0n

                      http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/interne....ap/index.html
                      Aut disce aut discede

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CNN
                        U.S. officials said early Wednesday that instead of transferring management of the system to an international body such as the United Nations, an international forum would be created to address concerns. The forum, however, would have no binding authority.
                        Sweet! Another 'UN' that we can pacify, fund, and completely ignore..
                        if it gets me nowhere, I'll go there proud; and I'm gonna go there free.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by AlxRogan
                          Crisis averted...American way of life guaranteed...no limits on pr0n
                          Except for a .xxx TLD
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bascule
                            Except for a .xxx TLD
                            At least no one will have an excuse for going to Whitehouse.xxx anymore.
                            Did Everquest teach you that?

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                            • #15
                              Why should it be changed? It's not broken, and in fact works very well.
                              Except for the commerce department randomly swooping in and smacking down otherwise ready-to-go initiatives?

                              Seems like it is still a case of the Internet being more restricted than if it was really controlled by a body not under the influence of any state.

                              I favor whatever arrangement makes the internet as neutral and open as possible. The commerce department swatting things down that might upset christian ideals is bad, but so is states like China getting veto rights on free speech. If the UN controlled the internet, I'm sure there'd be some openness going away.

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