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  • Voltage Spike
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    Originally posted by Deviant Ollam
    some hotels (the better ones) in the industry have actually updated their lock/key software systems so that ANY issuance of a new key creates a new token and invalidates all the previous ones in the system.
    In the vein of my earlier statements...

    That sounds as if they are attempting to prevent unauthorized access to the rooms rather than additional (valid) authorizations. I don't believe the hotels care nearly as much about their extra $20 a night as people tend to think.

    As for aspiring social engineers, think of your situation. Would you normally provide a complicated back story when attempting to gain access to an authorized resource? Your answer should be no. You approach with confidence (after all, you aren't doing anything wrong) and respond to challenges as they come. So why act differently when attempting to gain access to an unauthorized resource?

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  • Deviant Ollam
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    Originally posted by INIT_6
    You just had to give out your key to them so they can stop by later. (tell him now) Now the problem is my other 3 friends are to far a way can you make me another key for my room?
    not trying to knock the suggestion, as it is inventive and plausible for a hotel (especially one in vegas) but something tells me that this is exactly the kind of story that would raise eyebrows... at least for staffers at a higher-end hotel on the strip. as far as i know, some hotels (the better ones) in the industry have actually updated their lock/key software systems so that ANY issuance of a new key creates a new token and invalidates all the previous ones in the system. (precisely because the desk jockeys can get scammed by social engineers)

    Originally posted by INIT_6
    I have one of those card readers now, Let's just say I don't pay for parking anymore
    sounds interesting. what make and model is the reader/writer?

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  • INIT_6
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    Another really good method if you are a guy is to....
    Walk up to another guy at the front desk. Tell him you just meet some of the hottest chicks in the world. You just had to give out your key to them so they can stop by later. (tell him now) Now the problem is my other 3 friends are to far a way can you make me another key for my room?

    If it's a cool guy, He will get you a new key.
    (If he gets you the key, the try to ask for just a little bit more Only if he was cool at the first)
    then you can even ask for more keys at this point saying hey, is there anyway I can get a couple extra in case I find some more hot chicks?

    This will only work if you are a good looking guy, If you are some 200lb Nerd they guy will laugh at you.

    Not sure if this would work, But I am thinking it's very well possible.

    I know with SE Please and thank you go a long way. Make the person feel good.

    I have one of those card readers now, Let's just say I don't pay for parking anymore :)

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  • astcell
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    I wonder if the new hotel will have DC keys?

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  • Voltage Spike
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    Originally posted by dYn4mic
    One year we got an extra key by stating we lost our key<snip>
    Too much work. I have always gotten extra keys after check-in merely by asking for them. Every time I worry they are going to tack on extra-person charges but, to date, it has never happened.

    Always remember: unless you get the manager, the customer service representative you are speaking to doesn't care about you or what you are up to.

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  • Deviant Ollam
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    Originally posted by dYn4mic
    One year we got an extra key by stating we lost our key
    while i don't dispute that you may have gotten this to work in the past, in my experience this isn't a reliable option since hotels, upon being told that a key (one key out of a set that was issued) was lost, will tend to cancel out that entire set of keys in their system. they invalidate the code from all of the original keys and issue you a new set.

    unless you have a card reader/writer (and one that works with the custom track sizes and data bit spacing of your specific hotel) that you can use to copy the new key's data onto old ones you're often SOL.
    Last edited by Deviant Ollam; April 10, 2006, 08:09.

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  • dYn4mic
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    Originally posted by xwred1
    I haven't read the entire thread, so maybe this question has been answered already:

    Since the Riviera is a big hotel, is it going to be as hard to get rooms close to the con date as it was at the Alexis Park? Or can I expect the hotel to give me a room the day of the con (under the Defcon name with whatever that entails, if that is still being done)?
    I am also wondering about this... I've looked a little through this thread, and couldn't think of a solid search expression so... please don't freak if someone already stated it earlier on this thread.
    Plans are still up in the air, and funds are currently tight...

    On the subject of more than 4 keys, because I've gone with often more than 4 people to defcon, this issue came up.. One year we got an extra key by stating we lost our key, and <insert plausable but needy situation here> needed another key right now. Be extra nice, and apoligize for being an inconvience... or.. just use some other good SE skills. (its suprizingly effective, minimal risk (in this case) and quite easy).(Getting more than one key for the "i lost it" excuse might not work, because (hopefully) they'll record the fact he/she gave you a replacement key... if you don't see her record it, then.. well i shouldn't have to explain.)

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  • jur1st
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    Unfortunately I have to question the status of this fraternity as being the true frat-tastic group of individuals who could challenge the debachury of the con. In another life I was a business student (and member of a true fraternity) and was recruited by this organization. Looking to build my resume, I went to a couple of thier events and was less than impressed. It was mostly a group of finance geeks bringing in some speakers to talk about the exciting world of accelerated depreciation methods.

    The decision to flee came when I was told I had to take weekly tests on the history of the pseudo-frat. I'd played that game before and there was much more beer involved.

    Look for a lot of dark suits, white shirts, and red ties from this crowd.

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  • Tacitus
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    Originally posted by Deviant Ollam
    which frat is it?

    http://www.akpsi.com/events/convention_faq.cfm


    Looks like their convention rate is $3 less than ours.

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  • astcell
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    Originally posted by Tacitus
    There is also a college fraternity convention at the same hotel the same time as Defcon this year
    Well at the AP we broke the drinking record for the RAF, now we get to challenge a new record here, and who better to cavort with than a fraternity!

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  • xwred1
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    I haven't read the entire thread, so maybe this question has been answered already:

    Since the Riviera is a big hotel, is it going to be as hard to get rooms close to the con date as it was at the Alexis Park? Or can I expect the hotel to give me a room the day of the con (under the Defcon name with whatever that entails, if that is still being done)?

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  • Deviant Ollam
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    Originally posted by Tacitus
    There is also a college fraternity convention at the same hotel the same time as Defcon this year
    which frat is it? it wouldn't hurt to make up some sweatshirts with their greek letters in case security problems arise. (can either work as a "go ahead and arrest those rowdy people over there... i'm not with them" excuse or as a "yeap, you sure can't take us frat boys anywhere... but be certain to invite the defcon folks back next year, as i'm sure that they'd never have set a couch in the lobby on fire like i just did" sort of a deal.)

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  • Tacitus
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    Originally posted by TheCotMan
    Our convention is supposed to be scheduled in the same hotel as another convention in the same hotel. (American Darter's Association 2006 National Championship XV.) This is not a bad thing, and with all of the drinking I've seen dart players do in bars, and the drinking I've seen at Defcon, it may be difficult to tell the difference between convention attendees. :-)

    There is also a college fraternity convention at the same hotel the same time as Defcon this year

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  • TheCotMan
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    Originally posted by INIT_6
    You think the chances of having defcon people in the rooms around us are High?
    Considering that for nearly any room, there are at least 2 rooms on either side (except rooms that border on utility closets, linen closets, elevator, etc.) and in addition to the horizontal borders, there are also vertical borders for rooms immediately above and below, and possibly diagonal, there are from 4 to 8 bordering neighbors to each room. That is 4 to 8 opportunites for an angry, complaining neighbor.

    (Of course, vertical boundaries tend to have more insulation against sound.)

    Our convention is supposed to be scheduled in the same hotel as another convention in the same hotel. (American Darter's Association 2006 National Championship XV.) This is not a bad thing, and with all of the drinking I've seen dart players do in bars, and the drinking I've seen at Defcon, it may be difficult to tell the difference between convention attendees. :-)

    If the ADA are mostly a roudy bunch, then the chances of being next door to someone who complains will probably drop a bit, but there are no guarantees they are into sleep deprivation like many DC people.

    On the other hand, the hotel may pre-assign rooms in blocks to Defcon to mostly cover certain floors. Priority for Defcon registration (while supplies last, assigned at checkin) is a "Deluxe Room" which means most will probably be in the same tower/building.

    This is the first year at this hotel, and the best you can ask for is an educated guess.
    As a guess, I'd say that there is probably a 60/40 chance that you will have a room with only DefCon people in all rooms (horizontal, vertical and diagonal) that border your room, but there are Defcon people will complain about noise too. If they do, spot them as a Fed. ;-)

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  • INIT_6
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    Thanks for the info.
    I have some SE skills. I am sure I can pull off the get more keys talk.
    I know this year for defcon it's not going to be just defcon people staying at the hotel. You think the chances of having defcon people in the rooms around us are High? And I am sure anyone going to defcon sleeping are not sleeping but passed out and a little noise shouldn't effect them. :)

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