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    Ok, which do you think is more difficult, a combination pad lock or a keyed lock?

    Just curious.

    LosT

  • #2
    Keyed lock. But...i think there is someone here better suited to discuss this.... Pretty soon we will have video up on the dc13 archive for a really outstanding Introduction to Lockpicking and Physical Security. Like I said though, pretty soon, I am working on it.
    "Haters, gonna hate"

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    • #3
      Originally posted by LosT
      Ok, which do you think is more difficult, a combination pad lock or a keyed lock?
      When you have access to a current DB of combination lock combinations, combination locks are pretty easy. If you have a "shim" for both padlocks, equally easy. I would bet most con-people have more practice with pin-tumbler-based padlocks than combination padlocks.

      Perhaps your question was a hint. Maybe, it was a rhetorical question. Ok, then that is a rhetorical answer. ;-)

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      • #4
        cotman hits one of the key points... 99% of the "combination" locks you see are master brand (or clones of the popular master series) which is a really comcastic lock. utter shite, and very easily shimmed.

        also, while there are very rare exceptions, almost all of the combination dial pad locks that you see involve spring-loaded mechanisms inside that retract as opposed to double-ball mechanisms that rotate a control cylinder out of the way. (a padlock can only be truly considered secure if it employs a double-ball or rotating plunger system... not a spring-loaded lever or bar. typically, this involves the use of a key. see this slide for a list of what many of my friends and i consider "good" locks. also, keep in mind that the majority of your physical security attacks are going to be brute force, where housing and door strength matter more than lock details. anything above the craptacular aluminum "master" type lock is usually sufficient to thwart your average mouth-breather.)

        btw... nikita... i have that video of the talk completely remastered and edited (inserted original video footage in place of the segments where the camera was recording my video clips off the projector screen, etc) and would be more than glad to give that you to. PM me an address and i'll send a disc post-haste or i can upload it somewhere. [700 MB XviD file]
        Last edited by Deviant Ollam; May 23, 2006, 17:23.
        "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
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        • #5
          Depends a lot on the combo lock or key lock your talking about. For example, the S&G 8880 might be considered very difficult, while a crappy 4 pin cam lock would be extremely easy.

          Can you narrow it down a bit?
          Picking locks since '96.

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          • #6
            It will be interesting to see how people like/dislike the @ Con challenge...I keep wondering if things will be *too* easy or *too* hard...again part of the design of the contest is not to eat all of your time....

            Anyone bringing bolt cutters to con?

            :)

            LosT

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            • #7
              Originally posted by LosT
              It will be interesting to see how people like/dislike the @ Con challenge...I keep wondering if things will be *too* easy or *too* hard...again part of the design of the contest is not to eat all of your time....

              Anyone bringing bolt cutters to con?

              :)

              LosT
              Usually have a set with me :) The 'Alternate' lockpicking tool.
              Never drink anything larger than your head!





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              • #8
                Originally posted by LosT
                Anyone bringing bolt cutters to con?
                I would not be surprised if the hotel security has bolt cutters on site. I would not be surprised if the casino has doesn't have a bike rack for employee, and employees can have keys break-off insode the keywars of padlocks. Also, pranks are pulled by unhappy humands, and miscreants such as locking things that should not be locked. It is very likely the Hotel/Casino has bolt cutters.

                You might want to specify, now, if there will be any penalties for damage to hardware. Time penalty?

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                • #9
                  The rotary picking tool would work just as well. ;)
                  Picking locks since '96.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by LosT
                    It will be interesting to see how people like/dislike the @ Con challenge..
                    I am looking forward to doing a lot of listen, watch and learn this year, I have always been interested. It's been about 5 years since i have tried to pick a lock of any kind. I will be busy here and there this year but i plan on picking up a few things to get me back into exploration. I imagine there will be someone selling a lock picking set there, perhaps some "starter type kits" If anyone has some good suggestions of tried and true places to begin let me know. The chaotic good rogue in me is dying to break free.
                    "Haters, gonna hate"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Varjeal
                      The rotary picking tool would work just as well. ;)
                      Yes, this can be effective, if you have one that is powerful enough. Another one that can work is, "the old standby," or with some time, a hacksaw blade.

                      I drilled out a combination padlock to expose the workings, so people can see how it works. Rotary picking tools rock.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Nikita
                        I imagine there will be someone selling a lock picking set there, perhaps some "starter type kits"
                        usually you'll see some offered in the vendor area (the irvine underground people often have some SouthOrd gear) at somewhat modest prices. alternately, you can always stop by the lockpick village where we'll have loads of practice tools available for people to play with.
                        "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
                        - Trent Reznor

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                        • #13
                          Well we may have another exodus to the lociksmith shoppe....stay tuned...

                          I would also like to stress that for the Mystery box challenge, the lockpicking portion will only be roughly 25% of the challenge...keep that in mind....



                          LosT

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by LosT
                            the lockpicking portion will only be roughly 25% of the challenge...keep that in mind
                            i'll keep that in mind... and i'll keep my bolt cutters on hand, in accordance with the long-standing defcon rule of "if it's not expressly prohibited, it's allowed"
                            "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
                            - Trent Reznor

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Deviant Ollam
                              i'll keep that in mind... and i'll keep my bolt cutters on hand, in accordance with the long-standing defcon rule of "if it's not expressly prohibited, it's allowed"

                              Actually I'm really looking forward to seeing the non-paradigm driven solutions to certain parts of this ...

                              My biggest fear this year is that it will be too easy- I'm trying to keep within my promise of not taking all of your time at Con...

                              So dark, the Def of CON. ;) LosT

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