HH0 Gas

[Nikita]

This man just may dissapear in a matter of days! I had to share this, I hope no one has seen it yet! Do you think it will make it to the public within the next few years?
This is a nice video from a news station that demos the power of this mans creation.

[bascule]

Basically, this guy claims he's invented a device which creates molecules with a "magnetic covalent" bond. This has been the subject of Dr. Ruggero Maria Santilli's research (see magnecules.com). Dr. Santilli is something of a loner and his research has not been peer reviewed.

Essentially, he's claiming he's transforming the normal H\O/H bond into a special [HxH]-O bond where HxH represents the special magnetic covalent bond.

In order for this to be the case, it would require trashing the traditional valence model, and in order for that to be wrong quantum electrodynamics must also be wrong.

So, basically, either all the quantum physicists are wrong, or this guy, and Dr. Santilli, are wrong.

Take your pick.

I think it's far more likely that what you're seeing there is simply an oxyhydrogen flame

And to top it all off, here's a completely different guy claiming a completely different approach to the exact same idea, that is, somehow magically getting energy out of electrolysis of water:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...92194168790800

[spahkle]

...and because scientists are never wrong, these guys must be completely fabricating (i know i know, they haven't been peer reviewed which is, of course, a necessity) their information. ;)

[bascule]

This story is just so similar to the Stanley Meyer one. Here's how that ended:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fuel_cell

The water fuel cell is a perpetual motion device that was supposed to function by breaking water into hydrogen and oxygen gases using less energy than that present in the bond itself. The water fuel cell was claimed to produce several times more energy than it consumed (for instance, by connecting it to an engine that would burn the hydrogen back into water), and a car prototype powered by a water fuel cell was assembled.

Since this concept violates the first law of thermodynamics and this apparatus has never been demonstrated to work or reproduced, it was met with much skepticism and was later found to be a hoax. The purpose of the hoax was likely to attract gullible investors, selling them licensing rights for a "revolutionary" technology. The inventor, Mr. Stanley Meyer (died March 21, 1998), was later successfully sued by some of these disgruntled investors, whom he had sold "dealerships", and convicted for "gross and egregious fraud".

[bascule]

Wikipedia article on HHO gas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HHO_gas

[Nikita]

Ehh, I dont care, this is still cool to me.

This Paper is beyond me but someone else may benefit from reading it. Seems to have some "Peer reviews" and There is a lot of chemistry stuff in there, which i failed effectivly after concentrating my efforts in abby hoffman fashion.

Reportedly these folks are getting goverment contracts and are working with others in the academic and govermental agencies to expand this. We have seen in the past new technology is labeled a scam based on others failures, or when something appears "too good to be true", or conflicting with current scientific data as we know it. If that was absolute we would have never had penicillin, something gained from picking up where others left off. So as far as using water and electricity, well... we do have car battarys, used to start the car and the hho would become the fuel, once the process begins, as i understand it (which means i really don't), it takes little energy to maintain it. Thus the 100 miles on 4 oz of water. I would love to see how this will progress over the years. This man may or may not have the "solution", that is technically way out of my league, but i am behind the effort. I think this is a damn cool thing, he may be lacking something that a younger man picks up, sometimes it takes more than one engineer to finish the project. "Science fiction" can within time become simply science. I'm sure a lot of us can appreciate that considering our feilds of interest or hobbies. Our science and tech development have a pretty long -punch in the face- history of "you cant do that" and "the earth is flat"...etc.
/my two cents.

[robosycho]

And lets not forget thermodynamics. You can't get any more energy out of something than was put into it. So the increased power of the HHO "gas" has to be partially manufactured. I suppose its possible if you put just enough energy into the water to break off an H and then add more to get it to readhere somewhere else. The issue with that is the only way to get energy out of that molecule is to make it back to HOH. But then you'd be reversing what you did already. So why would you bother...?