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    theprez98
    SpoonfeederExtraordinaire

  • theprez98
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    Reminds self not to click on "impromptu orgy" links when using government internet. ;)

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  • Deviant Ollam
    Semi-Professional Swearer

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    Originally posted by Dark Tangent
    Sofar it loks like we will get at least one tower for con attendees. This might help people group together.
    rockin! will it be the monaco tower? i realize that this may become more of a moot point should the "top of riv" space fall into disuse, but it seemed like the tower with the best proximity to the convention space, skyboxes, etc. (if you walked a short stroll outside for a second you'd skip tons of crowds and long lines)

    Originally posted by Dark Tangent
    The big question, though, is the original one: How to increase interaction and hangout?
    many people would say 24 hour pool access (and i agree that this is something i miss greatly from the AP) but i think it's more nuanced than that. i think a "chillout" type of hangout space is best when it can accomodate many people and many activities without anyone getting yelled at.

    a good chill space would (idealy, in my opinion) be...
    • a spot where anyone is free to show up at any hour of the day
    • a place with an assload of seating, preferably a mix of straight back chairs and lounge chairs (although inflatable couches might be a nice, cheap touch)
    • some scattered tables would be good
    • a place where people could be free to hook up kickin' sound equipment and spin or listen to prepackaged tunes (right now pretty much all the convention floor space had, like last year, it's own sights and sounds. e.g. - the kenshoto guys were running great videos on the wall of the CTF room. that was entertaining and fun and i wouldn't have it any other way, but clearly no one would setup tables and play music in there since they'd be treading on others' entertainment already in progress)
    • a place with (maybe, somehow, some way) some hot tubs for relaxation or the occasional impromptu orgy
    • the case could be made that this would be better suited to either indoors or outdoors... but perhaps some way of alloting some indoor space that's along a wall with doors leading out and also having some outdoor zone as well would be pretty kickass. like a party at someone's huge, swanky apartment where there's also a terrace... a scene which clearly feels like it's part of the party but is removed slightly from it providing variation in music, atmosphere, etc.


    Originally posted by Dark Tangent
    I'm thinking of moving B&W downstairs. I love the space at the Top of the Riv, but people had trouble finding it, just like they couldn't find the outdoors area even through it was in the program. It might make more sense to just centralize it.
    while that would definitely be a great way to clue people in to the location, i think that many of the "lost atendee" issues will resolve themselves if we continue to be at the Riv. this will be especially magnified if we're all in the monaco tower where you just have to take your elevator up instead of down. it's a bit like HOPE... with the talks, etc. on one floor and the chillout area on the other end of the spectrum and attendee rooms in between. heh, like HOPE with faster elevators, a better attitude and more chill vibe, and more alcohol and nakedness.

    i really thought the top of the riv space was pretty amazing. and it's so well suited for performances. but, really, i'd be happy anywhere we have it as long as we get the minibosses to come back and our DJ sets run their full course. (anyone spoken to regenerator since the con? hope they made out alright and will still come back for us next year)

    Originally posted by Dark Tangent
    Singage will definately be better next year!
    sweet. addressing this will, i feel, make a lot of the other matters just sort of fall into place.

    thanks for all that you and the others do to keep defcon evolving and keep it both fun and informative for everyone.

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  • Vyrus
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    lol well i think the biggest thing we DIDNT do with the new space is "define where the new pool 2 is". lol once thats done i think were in the white house :P

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  • Dark Tangent
    The Dark Tangent

  • Dark Tangent
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    A couple of notes..

    Sofar it loks like we will get at least one tower for con attendees. This might help people group together.

    Many of the problems about when people could go place will change a bit. Now that the hotel knows us, things will be easier next year.

    The big question, though, is the original one: How to increase interaction and hangout?

    I'm thinking of moving B&W downstairs. I love the space at the Top of the Riv, but people had trouble finding it, just like they couldn't find the outdoors area even through it was in the program. It might make more sense to just centralize it.

    We get more meeting space next year, and I'll post about it once I have the exact rooms. But the point is we will have more areas to do something with. It might make sense to keep us all together and not send people up to the Top of the Riv.

    Singage will definately be better next year!

    My 2cents as I finish some testing on the new pics server with Cot.

    DT

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  • DaKahuna
    Dirty Ol' Man

  • DaKahuna
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    If you left the area you were not permitted back. Sunday morning I was stopped from going there at 0945.

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  • latras
    Don't worry, Be Happy

  • latras
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    Re: My #1 biggest problem with DEFCON this year...

    Originally posted by Vyrus
    correct me if im wrong but WASN't the contest room open 24 / 7? i know i hung out there quite a bit :P
    No, at like 2am they would stop allowing people back there for some reason, though they wouldn't kick anyone out....At least that's what I experienced one night...

    but the skybox was open 24x7

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  • Vyrus
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    correct me if im wrong but WASN't the contest room open 24 / 7? i know i hung out there quite a bit :P

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  • hckhckhck
    blocked by ipfilters

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    Re: My #1 biggest problem with DEFCON this year...

    Originally posted by Abby_Normal
    Perhaps they could set up some kind of Con suite. They do it at other conventions. It's just a good sized suite that is open to everyone 24-7 and staffed by volenteers. They have munchies and a message board of some sort. Works ok.

    I've staffed ConSuites at cons and they are great, but Defcon needs a big space, and the hotels
    only want to give the regular guest rooms 24 hour access. The contest area was the hang out place
    for me. Just needed to be open all night.

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  • Lockheed
    Goon * Network-IT Group

  • Lockheed
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    Originally posted by BlackOrchid
    I've entertained the idea opening the top pool area to being exclusive to defcon attendees ONLY for day and all night 'raves'. Why can't the hotel give us a little more liberty given our recent history of relative calm and control with the help of our goons. Make the upstairs pool exclusive to coolers, music, and our regular mayhem. (I'm sure there is insider information regarding the inability to do this but I'd like to at least hear a reason against it. Thanks)
    By "upstairs pool" do you mean the one that was drained, no water in it? If so, no can do. We asked about that. That pool is decommissioned (decades ago, if I understood correctly). It's not even accessible to the public any longer.

    But yeah, we did talk to Convention Services about the possibility of DefCon-only event there... but no go. :(

    Lock

    [edit: forgive the late reply - must learn to read threads to the end before replying haha]

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  • Lockheed
    Goon * Network-IT Group

  • Lockheed
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    Re: My #1 biggest problem with DEFCON this year...

    Originally posted by noid
    Some sort of message board would probably do the trick, or maybe a centralized, internal, Jabber server. Would be nice to hop on a local network and IM folks to find their locations and dinner plans.
    That might be very possible. I'll take note for next year. As long as we have it all up and working on/by Wednesday, it should work out great. It's low-resource - and given that we have a spare box to run it on, shouldn't be any big deal to run. If it's well-used, we can continue it. If 3 people use it, then we know we can "divert our resources elsewhere" </corpspeak>

    Lock

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  • Abby_Normal
    Aristocrat

  • Abby_Normal
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    Originally posted by octalpus
    A lot of us have been using dodgeball to communicate plans and it worked very well during Defcon. We all did a "switch Las Vegas" when we arrived and checked in when we went to bars, parties, etc. We also used it to broadcast party info to friends.

    Don't be anti-tech, evolve!!

    Personally, I loved how low-key things were on-site. This was the first year I managed to venture out and see some of the local sites without feeling like I was missing something awesome if I dared to leave/eat/sleep.
    The dodgeball thing looks kinda cool. Might be worth a try. Or maybe we could comeup with our own system.

    My room was a hang out for a lot of people this year, So I didn't have a hard time finding people. But that was only good if we were in. Perhaps they could set up some kind of Con suite. They do it at other conventions. It's just a good sized suite that is open to everyone 24-7 and staffed by volenteers. They have munchies and a message board of some sort.

    Works ok.

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  • BlackOrchid
    Member

  • BlackOrchid
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    I don't think anyone is being anti-tech. However, it does seem to be that we are PRO human contact. I could easily keep in touch with my already established relationships. It was the experience of meeting new people, whether likeminded or otherwise, that seemd to be lacking.

    I've never gone to defcon to experience anything but defcon. If I want to check out vegas as a whole, I'll go at other times of the year. As it is, I want to experience all of YOU-PEOPLE-DATA-IDEAS-.. in or out of conferences.

    AGAIN, I love technology but likewise, I love the interaction with real people who have their passions in various areas of technology. There's a balance. We cannot throw away one for the other.

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  • octalpus
    Official Forum Bitch

  • octalpus
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    A lot of us have been using dodgeball to communicate plans and it worked very well during Defcon. We all did a "switch Las Vegas" when we arrived and checked in when we went to bars, parties, etc. We also used it to broadcast party info to friends.

    Don't be anti-tech, evolve!!

    Personally, I loved how low-key things were on-site. This was the first year I managed to venture out and see some of the local sites without feeling like I was missing something awesome if I dared to leave/eat/sleep.

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  • DaKahuna
    Dirty Ol' Man

  • DaKahuna
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    This may be a little simplistic but what about using the Info Booth to leave messages and such for others. I think we can trust the Goons there will make sure that it does not get abused.

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  • bascule
    omgpwnies!

  • bascule
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    Originally posted by Grendel
    I mentioned this in another post, but one of the things that I would like to have seen is areas designated for specific topics, like OSes, or network, or tools, or whatever commonality this group has.
    That's an awesome idea too! Can I be a leader of the DEF CON Transhumanists? Hmmm, DC>H

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