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  • converge
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    Originally posted by noid
    Some sort of message board would probably do the trick, or maybe a centralized, internal, Jabber server.
    Forums might not be the best for this, since not real time and could compromise login credentials for future use. Why not just an IRC channel of some kind? SMS really didn't do so well ..

    The other difference in feel was the vast open pool/lobby area .. being crunched down into smaller hallways. Unless you roamed the main hallways at all hours of the day, you were likely to only find a specific groups with similar interests .. ie the same talks you went to, or the contest area, etc..

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  • mfreeck
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    Originally posted by jedi
    and I can't disagree with any of the points you've expanded on. it builds an accurate assessment of the situation. The question is, how do we solve the problem of ad-hoc socialization and entertainment without organizing?
    How about an analog message board? Not everyone is able/wants to connect to the defcon network... sometimes analog is the best tool for the job. The problem is we're not allowed to have a big poster on the wall, but if there were some kinda sheet that was easy to browse, people could leave a msg. There will always be that person at the con that you don't have a number for, or like jackalope, you need to let people know you left your phone or somesuch. I guess if you wanted to get techy, you could do it with a database, depending on how crowded it got around the computer, since people would have to take turns at the keys.

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  • noid
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    I had a very similar feeling this year. With things so spread out, and a lot of parties occuring off-site, it was hard to find people. I saw quite a few folks, but in more than a few cases I got a minute or two to catch up with them and then never saw them again. Some sort of message board would probably do the trick, or maybe a centralized, internal, Jabber server. Would be nice to hop on a local network and IM folks to find their locations and dinner plans.

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  • jedi
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    and I can't disagree with any of the points you've expanded on. it builds an accurate assessment of the situation. The question is, how do we solve the problem of ad-hoc socialization and entertainment without organizing?

    Granted, with as mellow as the con was this year rules will be more relaxed next year. But that won't be the same as the environment that the AP allowed us to create. This could be another one of those "Evolve or die" situations, if we want to be melodramatic about it.

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  • BlackOrchid
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    I agree with the lack of centralization of the pool congregation. This was my major complaint during the con. But I'd like to add that even if we would have wanted to gather there:

    1. We weren't allowed to bring in a cooler.

    2. There was a lack of regular chairs and tables.

    3. ONLY TWO umbrellas so there was a serious lack of shade.

    4. NON-Con people at the pool, which removed that 'comfortability' (regarding body size, shape etc).

    5. No music/DJ allowed

    6. The POOL area was closed too early!

    7. Where were the Jack Daniels, Heineken, booze and trinkets peddling chics? In otherwords, I missed the poolside entertainment/games...etc.

    With these lacks, it seemed as if we were divided in to our already existing friendships and didn't have a great ability to meet and bond with others. The environment didn't aid in unification or communication.

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  • jedi
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    Just having a feel for the layout and understanding where the different conf rooms are will make a huge difference next year. Between the air conditioning and not having to wait in line for a talk, it was a much more mellow con.

    But I agree. At the riviera, it didn't feel like there was one location where you could chill at night and encounter any number of folks. At least at the AP, the pools tended to be the central points of congregation for people looking to hang out and talk.

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  • latras
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    I think that a message board in the chill-out/contest room would be a good idea. That's where I went if I wasn't doing anything....that and the defcon bar.

    but trading cell #'s beforehand worked for me...and text messaging too...

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  • bascule
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    My #1 biggest problem with DEFCON this year...

    ...was that the environment had totally changed (duh). The AP was a great place for chance encounters, and most people could be found by simply wandering around the pools.

    This year: not so. Plans I had arranged with people, who I had even met at one event or another, never happened because I never encountered those people the rest of con and didn't have their phone numbers. There were several people who had wanted to meet up with me later at con who I ran into at TBBQ (CotMan, Rubyman, Crash, Goathead) but never saw the entire rest of con, except at the tail end.

    So what's the solution in the new environment? Should I just ask everyone for their phone numbers before con?

    As things stood, I ended up spending a lot more time wandering around the strip than I did the Riviera... it just seemed much harder to find anyone, and the capacity to have totally random encounters with people totally vanished due to a lack of a central area in which to congregate.

    Anyone else feel similarly?
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