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    Well, this was my first LayerOne and in spite of some bumps in the road I would certainly have to say "good con overall. A+ honest organizers... small size, quality info, good tunes, drinks, and friends. would buy again"

    Folk will kick in with their own summaries, photos, etc. here when they get home, unpacked, decompressed, etc. Thus far, i've already seen a number of good photo collections and videos popping up online. Heh... one of the more impressive things I got to be a part of that weekend was a bold new step in the whole "pwnz0ring the Master Combo lock" field.

    I cut a padlock shim on the fly... out of paper. Heh, believe it or not, that works now (particularly on the newest, super-cheap combo locks that can be seen in multiple colors)

    Here's the montage I made with some good footage that i had on the laptop when flying home

    Lope pointed out in an email to me that Flea's recording of this is also online.

    A few good photo galleries have surfaced already...

    Quiet's gallery (and my favorite photo in there... Queeg passed out in the Gringo cage)

    IT's gallery
    (and my favorite entry there... can you believe someone thought it was a good idea to give a household product the same name as a date-rape drug?)

    heh, and no... this is not a photo of my pick stuff for sale. didn't want people seeing that and thinking noid invited me to the con so i could fleece folks for all they were worth. <plug> i do have some new, pro-grade kits, however. they wind up costing me about $45 to acquire the parts, the cases, etc. and ship them wherever i'm speaking. $50 will let you pick one up from me. </plug>

    It was a small con as it has been in the past, but not small on content. The only major complaint I had pertained to the hotel. They took every step that they could to indicate to us that they didn't want us there and made it very hard to have a good time.

    All in all, and others are free to disagree, I think that cons of this size are a BLAST when they take place at the cheapest most dirtbag hotel you can find that is a reasonable distance from the nearest airport. Look at NotaCon... in a shitbag toilet like Cleveland at the Holiday Inn. (a hotel where the head of security came up to the top floor party at like 3 AM with the music still blasting and said to us in the doorway, "look... can you please guys do what you can to adjust those windows? the pot smoke is really getting bad in the hallway here whenever you open the door. kthxbye")

    Compare that to the Hilton, who raped everyone on price, threatened people with expulsion for having the audacity to drink their own alcohol in any public place (or even for drinking their own personal alcohol in a room if you have someone in the room who isn't a registered hotel guest in that same room... that's right, room parties were met with police and threats of non-refunded-expulsion from the premises.)

    I'd love to see noid, evil, and their crew consider having LayerOne at some no-name motel on the edge of the city... someplace with 50 to 100 rooms in a large L-shape that overlooks a pool with no lifeguard and possibly a dead possum that we'd have to fish out on day one. Talks either in the lone conference room or simply poolside... with the whole place rented out at like $45/night so that no one complains about noise, booze, public sex, etc.

    Just my $0.02.

    Overall, though, yeah... you missed out if you weren't there. If we're not at the Hilton next year, I can guarantee I'll wanna come back and bring Gringo Warrior with me.

    Heh... oh yeah... one last bit of awesome. The winner for Gringo Warrior this time around was a 12-year-old girl who (I believe) learned to pick at the con and by the end had tackled the whole course on the "hard" level in under two minutes.
    Last edited by Deviant Ollam; May 20, 2008, 21:06.
    "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
    - Trent Reznor

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    Re: LayerOne 2008

    It was a good weekend, I (like most people) had some trouble with hotel staff and security, but had a great time hanging out with great people.
    Thanks to Deviant Ollam, I had a great time participating in Gringo Warrior

    http://dc949.org/layerone2008/
    No thumbnails yet.

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    • #3
      Re: LayerOne 2008

      Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post
      The winner for Gringo Warrior this time around was a 12-year-old girl who (I believe) learned to pick at the con and by the end had tackled the whole course on the "hard" level in under two minutes.
      Actually.... she learned to pick a couple years before cuz MMCA taught her....mad props to both.


      My Picts:
      http://23b.org/gallery/v/23b_members.../Layerone2008/

      Luis': http://www.flickr.com/photos/leduard...7605146212775/

      Flea: http://23b.org/gallery/v/23b_members...008/?g2_page=2
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      DJ Jackalope
      dopest dj in the galaxy. *mwah!*

      send in the drop bears!
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      • #4
        Re: LayerOne 2008

        From 32,000 feet....

        ....................
        Layer One

        Wow! This con is super cool and really old school for how big it is. It's very intimate, most people know everyone somehow all ready. If you don't, just jump right in and say hi and chances are, you probably know this person somehow already via the internet (Or at least their cousin, or something.)

        The talks were well timed and they were small enough that you did not have to worry about getting questions answered or anything or even spending 15 minutes talking to someone after they spoke for a Q and A session.

        The vendor/registration/lockpick village area was very friendly. It was perfectly sized so that there was communication throughout all the room and all of us had a good time talking to each other.

        Saturday night's entertainment rocked, thanks, Evil. A fun freakshow where it was even obvious that the people in the freakshow had a blast performing for us, not to mention that i got to pull a 2' sword out of a guy's throat after he'd swallowed it. Can't beat that on a Saturday night. (Not to mention watching a chick deep throating what was probably 4' of a long balloon..one of those things that was just so messed up you can't possibly look away cuz you are afraid you made it up. “This can't be real!”)

        I highly recommend this con if you can make it there cheaply. The hotel is expensive for a night if you miss the con room rate ($230) and parking is about $22 a day. Nearby is a mall with reasonably priced food and parking if you need it.

        I am a bit grumpy at the hotel experience, most of the desk clerks were really nice, but the bell stand people left a bit much to be desired, as well as the bartenders in the main bar.

        I just wanted to thank everyone for their work, I had an awesome weekend, and a complete blast talking to everyone who came over to try their hand at picking locks and trying to beat 12 year old Ella at Gringo Warrior.
        Last edited by DJ Jackalope; May 20, 2008, 19:03. Reason: brain fart
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        dopest dj in the galaxy. *mwah!*

        send in the drop bears!
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        • #5
          Re: LayerOne 2008

          i changed the above link to my Google Video copy of that montage i put together, so you all can stop ass-raping my cable modem now. kthnxbye.
          "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
          - Trent Reznor

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          • #6
            Re: LayerOne 2008

            Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post
            i changed the above link to my Google Video copy of that montage i put together, so you all can stop ass-raping my cable modem now. kthnxbye.

            Was it as good for your cable modem as it was for me?
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            DJ Jackalope
            dopest dj in the galaxy. *mwah!*

            send in the drop bears!
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            • #7
              Re: LayerOne 2008

              Overall I was happy with the event as an organizer. The quality of the speakers was top notch, and I loved having the lock picking setup in the registration room. Previous years we hadn't done too much with that room. I wish nous and nkryptr could have gotten the Phreaking Challenge up and running too, but they had several of their servers die. They spent all day on Saturday trying to get them rebuilt, but in the end it just didnt happen.

              In regards to the hotel, it seems everyone has their own story about how the hotel made their stay unpleasant. Even as organizers we found them difficult to work with this year. I'm frankly not sure why, as there had been no major staff shake-ups on their side since last year. Previous years we had always gotten along with them, even when being rowdy. This year we did our best to make them happy and that wasn't good enough. The common theme we've seen from the comment cards (thanks to everyone who filled one out, btw) is that the conference was really good but the venue needs to change. Without going into too much detail, we agree and will be taking your comments under advisement.

              Thanks to everyone who showed up. Thanks to Deviant and Jackalope for running the Lock Pick Village and Gringo Warrior. I think everyone got something out of that, including little Ella as well as the little kids that came over from the Mexican wedding across the hall. Super huge thanks to 23b for saving the day on Saturday. The folks we had come entertain us Saturday night, The Freakshow Deluxe, had sound trouble that was remedied by the 23b mobile disco dance party. Also, when planning this years event Deviant asked me 'do you think any of the local guys could make up a door for Gringo Warrior?'. 23b took that as a challenge and came up with a portable cage. I'd like to thank my fellow co-organizers Pappy Ozendorph, Evil, Xinc, MMCA, CHS, and Skroo as well as our small but indispensable staff of Ms. Demeanor and Zerodevide. I also want to thank Ninja Networks* for coming through for us on the entertainment front (they sponsored that party on Saturday night). Finally a huge shout out to Arclight and Mattrix for bringing us in some much needed sponsorship money.

              *See Nous, I got it right this time :)


              Oh..and huge shout outs to my peeps at the Armenian Prom! You folks certainly know how to party!
              Last edited by noid; May 21, 2008, 08:52.

              I return whatever i wish . Its called FREEDOWM OF RANDOMNESS IN A HECK . CLUSTERED DEFEATED CORn FORUM . Welcome to me

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              • #8
                Re: LayerOne 2008

                Originally posted by DJ Jackalope View Post
                I highly recommend this con if you can make it there cheaply. The hotel is expensive for a night if you miss the con room rate ($230) and parking is about $22 a day. Nearby is a mall with reasonably priced food and parking if you need it.
                Something I did find out when I checked out is that if you are a Hilton Honors member, valet was only 15 bucks a day. Oh, and membership is free. Now that I know that, I may also sign up for reward programs for some of the other hotel chains I frequently stay at in hopes of similar discounts.

                The room rate thing was a real pain. The short version of the story is this: took Hilton corporate 3 weeks to get us a hotel discount code set up in the system. Hotel room block discounts expire a month prior to the start of the conference*. By the time they got us the code, we were only a few days away from that mark, so only those ready to pounce on the rooms were able to get them.


                *I think this is stupid. These days no one plans things out that far, especially those of us in the 'anything can happen' IT world. Hell, I didn't even buy my plane ticket to DEFCON last year till two weeks before the convention and I help organize the damn thing

                I return whatever i wish . Its called FREEDOWM OF RANDOMNESS IN A HECK . CLUSTERED DEFEATED CORn FORUM . Welcome to me

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                • #9
                  Re: LayerOne 2008

                  Originally posted by noid View Post
                  The common theme we've seen from the comment cards (thanks to everyone who filled one out, btw) is that the conference was really good but the venue needs to change. Without going into too much detail, we agree and will be taking your comments under advisement.
                  i can totally guarantee that between all of our hype and good photos here on the forums and the excitement that newer, better events will bring... you could truly see some kickass attendance in coming years if the venue is right.

                  i have to say that i'm waiting with bated breath to hear what sort of a plan comes together with respect to location. just by poking around with Google and some travel sites i turned up a lot of results along the lines of the Knights Inn. Although it's another few miles out from the airports (this is in Rosemead... man, i could never live in LA, just keeping all the neighborhoods and suburbs straight is crazy) it's so delightfully cheap and low-class. Tons of food options in walking distance that are likely to be open at all hours, and i'm willing to bet parking is next to nothing.

                  i wish to bow and pray to the gods of LayerOne planning that some establishment like that might be considered... anything with a pool and rates under $100 a night. hell, that particular place (the Knights Inn) only has 100 rooms... imagine if we filled it completely and just took the place over. LayerOne would be a total throwback to the Ghost of DefCon Past. Folks could bask in memories of some of the original parties and then the later poolside times at the Alexis before the con got all grown up.*

                  heh, i fear i've put in more than my $0.02 by now so i'll let others float their ideas and see what turns up. i have total confidence in noid and his whole crew that things will be even better the next time around. i look forward to returning.

                  * NOTE - i'm not saying this is all bad. in DefCon's case it was just sort of "time" for it to mature. a single con can't sustain itself forever in the same incarnation over and over. still, it's really nice when small upstarts take the baton and run with it so hackers everywhere can continue the work hard / play hard lifestyle that prevents us from chewing on the end of a gun barrel.
                  "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
                  - Trent Reznor

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                  • #10
                    Re: LayerOne 2008

                    I thought LayerOne was a blast! Paying for the room sucked - $480+ after tax and shit for two nights(!?!@!) *and* being hassled by the Hotel Staff!?! On Friday we tried to bring down a bottle of Vodka from our Bathtub 'O Booze to the Smoking Oasis (WTF is that shit anyway?) we got escorted away by an armed guard.

                    The talks were great, good cozy atmosphere! I really enjoyed hanging out with everyone in this smaller setting and 23b did a great job on both the mobile club and the cage (even if we couldn't put it together properly and left the hinges in Queeg's truck). I look forward to next year and hope it is in a seedy place where we can smoke and drink anything we want with our friends.

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                    • #11
                      Re: LayerOne 2008

                      Man, good thing my password is still stored, I only login here once a year or so.. :)

                      Anyway, I'm stoked about my weekend, this was the best layer one yet!

                      The hotel was pretty cool about the mobile club, they let us set up in the smoking oasis and jam until they, 'got complaints.' Hell, just letting us roll it around their hotel was a stretch, things were falling off of it and creating small grass fires everywhere!

                      I'll surmise the hotel experience with; sucks and nasty

                      The gringo warrior challenge was awesome. Thanks much to deviant for that. I've talked to him a bit for some ideas to dress it up a bit more at defcon, hopefully we can help him continue it and make it better. I hope ella comes to defcon and defends her time!

                      Here's a video of ella running through the course:
                      http://youtube.com/watch?v=cHL6Xu9-idE

                      Props to the dc-949 guys for getting up in front of a crowd and giving their first talks, great jobs, barely any puking before hand!

                      Props to the Layer One staff, you guys ran a great con with zero problems on your end from my perspective. When things like a lack of water in the con room happened, you guys clearly cared about it and went after the solution, awesome. Noid, pappy, skroo, mmca, chs, zerodevide, evil and xinc (who'd I forget?), you guys did great, high 5's all around.

                      THANKS TO THE NINJA'S FOR THE FREAK SHOW! I had no idea until the last day. I didn't even SEE bark0de, I just pictures! Damn.

                      Anyway, can't wait till next year!

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                      • #12
                        Re: LayerOne 2008

                        Ok, here's one last short video... :)

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqfiGy_8_p8

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                        • #13
                          Re: LayerOne 2008

                          Anyone know if Xinc or CHS's pictures are up?
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                          DJ Jackalope
                          dopest dj in the galaxy. *mwah!*

                          send in the drop bears!
                          ======================================

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                          • #14
                            Re: LayerOne 2008

                            Here are my photos from the Lockpick Village and Gringo Warrior. Not many, but a few choice ones in there if you like to see people having fun in a contest (or if you like to see naked inflatable women)

                            http://deviating.net/photos/2008-05-16-layerone/

                            Big thanks to Lope for standing in as the guard during Vyrus' run when others were searching for where the first guard had sprung and air leak.
                            "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
                            - Trent Reznor

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                            • #15
                              Re: LayerOne 2008

                              Originally posted by DJ Jackalope View Post
                              Anyone know if Xinc or CHS's pictures are up?
                              Xinc's Pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/x.incorporated/LayerOne2008

                              As people send me their galleries, I put them up on the main LayerOne site. Also, the post-con page is now up. How's that for turn around. I'm missing a few slide decks, but I expect to have them in a day or so.

                              I return whatever i wish . Its called FREEDOWM OF RANDOMNESS IN A HECK . CLUSTERED DEFEATED CORn FORUM . Welcome to me

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