Anonymous hotel room?

[theprez98]

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Shmoocon is evil? Damn, I need to stop attending.

I knew there was something wrong with you people I met there.

You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

[shrdlu]

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While i agree with most folks here that the Humanator may be going a bit overboard on the tin foil, i can respect anyone who simply has a healthy desire to fly below the radar or live life a bit off the grid.

Nothing wrong with keeping a low profile. I'm pleased to say that Spock finds very little on me, other than the few public things that I already know are there, and have control of. It's the silliness we object to.

As much as we are right to point out that there are no men in vans or jack booted thugs running around in the shadows, how many people would understand that -deep down- living a life with as little a paper trail as possible isn't the easiest thing to poke fun at. It's something that many of us may have aspired to do before we had mortgages, kids, or were otherwise forced to get "real" jobs and become tied to numerous public records.

I don't think that the original issue was a concern about living a life with no paper trail, but rather avoiding same at Defcon. Even when there are mortgages, kids, and employment considerations, the management of information about oneself is an uphill and ongoing battle. With the likes of Lexis-Nexis, et al, it becomes very difficult to avoid being tracked. In addition, unlike the credit bureaus, these invasive monsters are answerable to no one.

Feds don't worry me much, but those guys do. Oh, and the three or four major information accumulators all happily share with the gov, to my knowledge.

I don't think a useful solution will present itself for anyone wanting to stay in Vegas on their own, but there are any number of methods to slide in the side door with someone else who is footing the bill.

Asking over the phone, or via email, is always going to get the official answer. I've stayed in smaller motels when just passing through, and refused to supply a driver's license, with no more than an eyeblink of response on the part of the clerks. They don't care. Over the phone, no one is going to admit to breaking that rule. It's that simple.

I suppose I should be grateful to the OP; this has been very entertaining.

[Chris]

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This is hands down the greatest thread in the seven year history of the forums. I am going to find a place to make this a sticky for it must be read, reread and studied by generations that follow us.

[Wing]

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Anyone else looking for anonymous space can stay in my room. I'll only require a $1400 deposit (in cash) with the remainder of the $1500 balance due on checkout.

And I'm guaranteed not to be a fed or anything. I'm traveling with a ladyfriend, and renting a ritzy suite. That's a crap cover, and no government agent would ever use it when they could just pretend to be some dirty, drunk hacker.

We can also offer rides from anywhere in the country. We'll pick you up with either our black panel van, or our black Crown Vic. Not sure which one we're going to drive.

[thehumantor]

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At last, someone understands me. And it only took three pages. :)

Be it the feds, or some big cloud database, I want to control the information that is recorded about me. It's a near pointless task nowadays, but I like to do what I can. The data on the 10,000 stolen laptops is going someplace each week. Be it ebay or the data sold itself.

Because I order so much online, my credit card info is stolen about every 6 month. It just stops working one day, so I call and they tell me my number was in some big database that was "stolen" and they are sending me a new card. Now the bank is very paranoid and if I use the card outside my normal use, say a trip to Vegas, they will cancel the card. It's a big pain for everyone because my info got out.

That being said, the fact I am going to Defcon, could be used against me with greater affect, then my fixation for all types of Gummy Worms. Is it going to ever be an issue? I would say a very slim chance anyone cares about my Gummy Worms habit and even less about Defcon.

But, it's still something I would like to keep off the radar. If it can be done easily, why not?

And I say more people care about the Gummy Worms then Defcon because I am sure it's in a lot of peoples interest to sell me more Worms. Can you even sell more Defcon?

[thehumantor]

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Anyone else looking for anonymous space can stay in my room. I'll only require a $1400 deposit (in cash) with the remainder of the $1500 balance due on checkout.

And I'm guaranteed not to be a fed or anything. I'm traveling with a ladyfriend, and renting a ritzy suite. That's a crap cover, and no government agent would ever use it when they could just pretend to be some dirty, drunk hacker.

Is your ladyfriend part of the deal?

[Wing]

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That costs $7500 extra and includes a day trip this really cool spot I know up near the Nellis range and Rachel. I know some guys with a few private 737-200's parked at McCarren that we could use to get up there.

[valanx]

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At last, someone understands me. And it only took three pages. :)
Because I order so much online, my credit card info is stolen about every 6 month. It just stops working one day, so I call and they tell me my number was in some big database that was "stolen" and they are sending me a new card. Now the bank is very paranoid and if I use the card outside my normal use, say a trip to Vegas, they will cancel the card. It's a big pain for everyone because my info got out.

By buy so much online, do you mean online porn subscriptions or something? I can't fathom how you could have your data stolen semiannually. I've had the same card for years and never had it stolen or compromised. If your bank gets virtually gang-raped every few months, wouldn't you change your bank instead of having the same thing happen over and over?

If you don't want to leave a trail, bring cash enough that you aren't using ATMs or credit cards and sleep on a floor somewhere. Oh, and don't talk to anyone. Or use a computer. Or a cell phone. Bring your own toilet paper and bucket that you dispose of elsewhere for fear of black ops poo-catching DNA analysis. Whatever you do, don't contribute to the community. You could, however, do the whole remote anonymous presentation like they did a Toorcon a while back. Maybe you could virtualize your con attendance in its entirety?

[streaker69]

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That costs $7500 extra and includes a day trip this really cool spot I know up near the Nellis range and Rachel. I know some guys with a few private 737-200's parked at McCarren that we could use to get up there.

Is your 'lady friend' named Janet as well?

[thehumantor]

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Wait? People pay for porn?

With some of the stupid ways credit card information is handled now days, I am not shocked it's stolen more. I have seen quite a few shops handle SSL encrypted web orders, by just FTPing the order information, including CC info, off the web server in clear text. Some print it out and run the credit card by hand. Some simple web sites just fax the entire order in to be billed and shipped.

It's a soft belly under a toughened SSL exterior. My CC info gets stolen so much, just based on the pure fact that lots of people have it. It's not stolen from the bank, but just from web sites and possibly dumpsters. We all know people who have their computer filled with virus and they really don't care as long as it works. Some of those systems have Excel spreadsheets with orders and credit info. Easy pickin's.

black ops poo-catching DNA analysis

Would that be more brown ops?

[erehwon]

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Anyone else looking for anonymous space can stay in my room. I'll only require a $1400 deposit (in cash) with the remainder of the $1500 balance due on checkout.

And I'm guaranteed not to be a fed or anything. I'm traveling with a ladyfriend, and renting a ritzy suite. That's a crap cover, and no government agent would ever use it when they could just pretend to be some dirty, drunk hacker.

Just to amp the paranoia a bit, nothing stopping a private intelligence contractor from getting a three bedroom Skyloft at the MGM Grand suite, wiring it for sound and video, and adding in a latex wearing Trinity looking honeypot ladyfriend whispering erotic thoughts and to rub up and down on my 'anonymous' hacker guests.

Soon after Defcon is over, the media has gone home to file their stories, and the Maybach from the Skyloft is leaving for the airport, make any arrests at the north end of McCarran, before stuffing you in a recently re-registered Gulfstream V to warm tropical destinations unknown...

[signine]

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If you want to avoid being potentially flagged as a hacker by feds and also want to avoid associating with known hackers, I think it would be best if you simply didn't go to Defcon.

It's just crazy enough to work!

[theprez98]

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If you want to avoid being potentially flagged as a hacker by feds and also want to avoid associating with known hackers, I think it would be best if you simply didn't go to Defcon.

It's just crazy enough to work!

Now consider if you're already flagged as an evil hacker, but you decide not to go to DEFCON. Does this raise the ante?

[Thorn]

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So are the Feds who attend DefCon (or worse give a talk!) on double-secret probation? What about the ones who post here? The last time I started counting heads at DC there were more people who are "Feds" in one capacity or another than "not Feds".

It reminds me of the Pogo quote: "WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US.”

[TheCotMan]

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So are the Feds who attend DefCon (or worse give a talk!) on double-secret probation? What about the ones who post here? The last time I started counting heads at DC there were more people who are "Feds" in one capacity or another than "not Feds".

It reminds me of the Pogo quote: "WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US.”

Maybe you could start a new contest:

"Spot the Hacker that is a Fed."