Black hole blind?

[Greyhatter]

Regarding the opening of the new super collider at CERN at the slim chance we can really recreate events of the Big Bang or even a black hole it seems to me that....

If a gravity well is anything like things that occur in nature ie. tornado, hurricane, or even water that goes down the drain (rotational direction depends on which side of the equator your on) then I'd guess that a tiny black hole would be quite hungry to swallow the first things (matter/mass) it sees. It occurs to me that all cyclones in nature start tiny and build in size as matter is sucked up. But then who says "space" or even the physics we're toying with has anything to do with nature? As dumb as this sounds, wouldn't a tiny black hole event created here on earth just gobble up any and all matter/mass it first encounters bearing in mind that cyclonic activity on earth always begins small before amassing matter and growing in size?

How about some solid input on this science from "those in the know" like say perhaps a real Dr. of physics?

[Z^2]

Re: Black hole blind?

You keep asking the same questions though it's plainly obvious that you didn't even read CERN's site. (and I mean the whole thing because apparently you need to!) And why aren't you asking these questions on a physics site instead of here?

Regarding the opening of the new super collider at CERN at the slim chance we can really recreate events of the Big Bang or even a black hole it seems to me that....

http://www.nikhef.nl/pub/pr/posterma...l/big-bang.jpg
In regards to the universe, earlier time is a higher temperature is a higher energy.
So since the early universe was at a high energy, and the LHC is too, there is no reason why a re-creation of events wouldn't happen. Or said in another way, the particles they're looking for at the LHC are of a high mass, which requires a higher energy, which is analogous to the early universe.

If a gravity well is anything like things that occur in nature ie. tornado, hurricane, or even water that goes down the drain (rotational direction depends on which side of the equator your on) then I'd guess that a tiny black hole would be quite hungry to swallow the first things (matter/mass) it sees.

Gravity wells, meaning a black hole? I don't see why you think they're not natural, and I'm not sure why you assume that all black holes rotate because they all don't. For a basic understanding, you should look up black holes on wikipedia so you understand what they are.

It occurs to me that all cyclones in nature start tiny and build in size as matter is sucked up.

While you're at it, also look up the coriolis effect in wikipedia because you need that too in regards to your tornado/hurrican/water analogy which doesn't work.

But then who says "space" or even the physics we're toying with has anything to do with nature?

Physics is the description of nature, and also, if you don't believe space exists in nature, where the fuck are you? What is outside of the earth? What is our solar system in? What is our galaxy in? Are you one of those people that doesn't understand or doesn't know that our planet has an atmosphere? More wikipedia for you.

As dumb as this sounds, wouldn't a tiny black hole event created here on earth just gobble up any and all matter/mass it first encounters bearing in mind that cyclonic activity on earth always begins small before amassing matter and growing in size?

Assuming you've done everything else this list tells you to do, I don't need to address this.

How about some solid input on this science from "those in the know" like say perhaps a real Dr. of physics?

Back to that first paragraph of mine.

[TheCotMan]

Re: Black hole blind?

Greyhatter, you managed to get a thread about this topic closed previously and now think that opening this topic up again is a good idea? Bascule had a good thread until religious poop came into discussion.

You made a mistake of wandering into religion, and were warned to not go there by Thorn, but proceeded to do so anyway. Placed in an ethnocentric, religious context you will understand: a second bite of the apple will not make this "violation" go away.

No do-overs. Find another topic. Since you ave been warned once about religion, but proceeded to go there anyway, you've got your 2 strikes. The forums are not for discussion of religion. The forums are for discussions of hacking, and defcon, and socialization between defcon events when they don't violate the posted rules, especially topics of politics and religion.

/dev/null-ed

Signed, the backup, apprentice, to the adjunct teacher's assistant to ninja sword sharpener.

[Read below, and see why this was move back out of /dev/null]

[Thorn]

Re: Black hole blind?

Greayhater, you managed to get a thread about this topic closed previously and now think that opening this topic up again is a good idea? Bascule had a good thread until religious poop came into discussion.

You made a mistake of wandering into religion, and were warned to not go there by Thorn, but proceeded to do so anyway. A second bite of the apple will not help.

No do-overs. Find another topic. Since you ave been warned once about religion, but proceeded to go there anyway, you've got your 2 strikes. The forums are not for discussion of religion. The forums are for hacking, and defcon, and socialization between defcon events that doesnt violate the posted rules, especially topics of politics and religion.

/dev/null-ed

Just to be fair to Greyhatter, he had asked me to re-open the original thread and delete certain posts. I advised him that is was against policy to edit a thread like that, and suggested starting a new one with an effort to stay away from politics or religion.

[TheCotMan]

Re: Black hole blind?

Just to be fair to Greyhatter, he had asked me to re-open the original thread and delete certain posts. I advised him that is was against policy to edit a thread like that, and suggested starting a new one with an effort to stay away from politics or religion.

Ok. Sorry man, I didn't know you had this handled. Feel free to move it back into discussion. You can leave my post there, and your reply, as well as this one, so context is preserved. (I don't like mod stomping, and wouldn't have done it if I had known.)

[Thorn]

Re: Black hole blind?

Ok. Sorry man, I didn't know you had this handled. Feel free to move it back into discussion. You can leave my post there, and your reply, as well as this one, so context is preserved. (I don't like mod stomping, and wouldn't have done it if I had known.)

Not a problem! It's my fault as I thought about putting a post in here saying something about "new thread/old subject" to prevent misunderstanding, and then forgot. It's been moved back.

[xor]

Re: Black hole blind?

I actually think be crushed out of existence would be a cool thing. That is except for my electrons which would co-exist in different spaces/planes/universes. So by all means turn the dam thing on :-).

I actually have a video of what the researchers saw when they first powered up CERN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFgg

Enjoy

xor

[Greyhatter]

Re: Black hole blind?

I actually think be crushed out of existence would be a cool thing. That is except for my electrons which would co-exist in different spaces/planes/universes. So by all means turn the dam thing on :-).

Some interesting things found along the way.. Please feel free to support the logic, or lack thereof:

http://www.exitmundi.nl/strange.htm

http://www.lhcdefense.org/index.php

http://www.misunderstooduniverse.com...ay_Machine.htm

The bit about `Ice-9 Type Transition' while fictional is interesting.

[userdefined]

Re: Black hole blind?

I actually think be crushed out of existence would be a cool thing. That is except for my electrons which would co-exist in different spaces/planes/universes. So by all means turn the dam thing on :-).

I actually have a video of what the researchers saw when they first powered up CERN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFgg

Enjoy

xor

I agree heartily with the first two sentences, however I am severely disappointed that the video of what CERN saw was not a rickroll ;-)

That said, it amuses me how worked up everyone is over the LHC. When it comes to this, I adopt an (arguably) "sheep-like" mentality, and just ignore the whole thing as it is so far removed from my daily life.

If it does indeed destroy us all, at that point I will likely be a bit miffed.
However, at that point *I* will be so far removed from my daily life that I sill won't care =)

[Greyhatter]

Re: Black hole blind?

You're an idiot.

Humm. Let us recount that the title of my original post was "Black hole blind?" That is a "no-brainer title" that reaches out "with the admission that informational help or discussion is needed on the titled topic." The posted question was from a 9yo boy who asked such a question in class while discussing the CERN collider. I thought it was an highly imaginative and quite intuitive question worthy of following up to the recent collider posting in here. He just wanted an answer to his question to take back to class. This young lad still wants to be a physicist (and after reading your responses I can't imagine why) but also wants to be able to kindly convey what he has learned to others both intellectually and with the sensitivity required to ease others fears about science in general. I believe both he and I have learned a great deal from your personal responses including that there is no such thing as a dumb question, and in fact, that there are some incredibly stupid insensitive people who should never be allowed to teach others no matter what. I personally wish you much success staying employed whoever you are as I doubt you will last very long when forced to work and play fairly with others in any sandbox, including, but not limited to, 9yo little boys asking a would be physicist a question. All the best with your career, and a gift of hope to you from a child.

Mr. Manners
Ms. Manners
a 9yo with a future

[Z^2]

Re: Black hole blind?

I didn't get that meaning out of the title of your post, and my apologies to the 9yo boy. Had I known the context of the question, I would have started in a different place.

[Greyhatter]

Re: Black hole blind?

I didn't get that meaning out of the title of your post, and my apologies to the 9yo boy. Had I known the context of the question, I would have started in a different place.

I certainly hope you would have started in a different place even if an adult had asked the question. I make a point to always try and answer people kindly and most importantly respectfully while remembering that "all humans" (including the 9yo hidden in the audience listening) are frail in their pursuit of knowledge. I also try to remember when someone asks a question that they deserve respect even if it is an unbalanced question or one making no sense. After all, they respected me enough to come to me with their question knowing I have something they want. I would not want to be foolish and chase them away. Enough said.

[Thorn]

Re: Black hole blind?

Just a note: CERN is well past the first photon tests of the super collider, and no black holes have swallowed us up.

[xor]

Re: Black hole blind?

"Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?"

Frank :-)

Every time black holes are mentioned the above quote needs to be included.