CSIS Report: Securing Cyberspace

[streaker69]

Re: CSIS Report: Securing Cyberspace

Thought this interview with FBI's Cyber Division Chief on the security of the internet may be of interest http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sec...ime_chief.html

And for the smart ass above;

"A: We don't really make too much of an effort to recruit here. My purpose in being here is to provide the FBI cyber perspective."

The TLA's that recruit at such things do not set up a booth and advertise, it isn't like the Armed Forces where they have guys handing out brochures. They sit back and watch the people, they talk to other's about the people they're interested in. Then they are approached, normally after the con.

[HighWiz]

Re: CSIS Report: Securing Cyberspace

The government is at DEFCON? And they recruit?! No way!

Yea, there is a lot of recruiting going on... In fact, every time I go to DefCon I tried to recruit some "young hackers" into my er um.. "organization". It's all list in my agenda

Thought this interview with FBI's Cyber Division Chief on the security of the internet may be of interest http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sec...ime_chief.html

And for the smart ass above;

"A: We don't really make too much of an effort to recruit here. My purpose in being here is to provide the FBI cyber perspective."

So that's what you found most interesting?

You were surprised that a Law Enforcement agency didn't have an open recruiting effort at DefCon?

How bout the other Agencies? You do know the US Government has more Agencies than just the FBI, right?

So let me see if I understand this correctly, you expect every Agency of the US Federal Government to have the same hiring criteria as the Federal Bureau of Investigation? Further, do you know for a fact he was talking about DefCon and not Black Hat? When referencing "recruiting efforts" was he talking about "Agents" or any recruit what-so-ever? In his position, would it behoove him to admit to actively recruiting at a "hacker convention" from a political stand point?

Oh, I was going to make a comment about your "Smart ass" one, I didn't know if you were referring to me or "theprez98". But I think both of us would rather be a smart ass, than just an ass like you.

[artoir]

Re: CSIS Report: Securing Cyberspace

Thought this interview with FBI's Cyber Division Chief on the security of the internet may be of interest http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sec...ime_chief.html

And for the smart ass above;

"A: We don't really make too much of an effort to recruit here. My purpose in being here is to provide the FBI cyber perspective."

[theprez98]

Re: CSIS Report: Securing Cyberspace

The government is at DEFCON? And they recruit?! No way!

[HighWiz]

Re: CSIS Report: Securing Cyberspace

I apologise for my last post, I should have worded it better.

I wasn't denying the fact that the US recruits white hat hackers, what I was pointing out was the event was openly advertised as being aimed at "hackers", something that I cant imagine going down too well with the general public in the US or UK. Look at the negative attention DEFCON gets and you'll see what I'm trying to get at here.

And with regards to my stab at the US, note I also mentioned the British government, that I live under. I could have gone on and named 11 other countries in Europe but I decided not to. I was simply pointing out the liberal methods of the South Korean government to openly advertise and try to attract hackers. My intention was not to ignite any patriotism or attract fiery responses.

Once again, you're not getting your facts straight.

1) Many of the people who come to DefCon work directly or are contractors for the US Government and it's various Agencies. And I'm not talking about lurkers, I'm talking about people directly involved.

2) Have you been to DefCon or any other US based Con? Have you attend the "Meet the Feds Panel"? Did you know that there are entities within the US Government that recruit AT DefCon?

3) You're still being very political in your statements.

4) Researching before posting is not a bad idea.

[streaker69]

Re: CSIS Report: Securing Cyberspace

I apologise for my last post, I should have worded it better.

I wasn't denying the fact that the US recruits white hat hackers, what I was pointing out was the event was openly advertised as being aimed at "hackers", something that I cant imagine going down too well with the general public in the US or UK. Look at the negative attention DEFCON gets and you'll see what I'm trying to get at here.


I'll remember in future not to post before I've had my two coffees ;)

You do realize that a large number of people that organize/attend Defcon as well as other 'hacker' cons actually work for various government agencies?

The negative perception is only in the eyes of the ignorant, and ignorance is not something that's easily cured. People have to WANT to be come less ignorant.

[artoir]

Re: CSIS Report: Securing Cyberspace

I apologise for my last post, I should have worded it better.

I wasn't denying the fact that the US recruits white hat hackers, what I was pointing out was the event was openly advertised as being aimed at "hackers", something that I cant imagine going down too well with the general public in the US or UK. Look at the negative attention DEFCON gets and you'll see what I'm trying to get at here.

And with regards to my stab at the US, note I also mentioned the British government, that I live under. I could have gone on and named 11 other countries in Europe but I decided not to. I was simply pointing out the liberal methods of the South Korean government to openly advertise and try to attract hackers. My intention was not to ignite any patriotism or attract fiery responses.

I'll remember in future not to post before I've had my two coffees ;)

[streaker69]

Re: CSIS Report: Securing Cyberspace

I disagree, Cyberdyne is still acceptable...

I prefer YoYo-Dyne.

[HighWiz]

Re: CSIS Report: Securing Cyberspace

Or, in fact, anything that uses "cyber" as a prefix. Oh, the stories...

I disagree, Cyberdyne is still acceptable...

Yeah, yeah. We know you guys are old school and prefer the term "Information Superhighway."

<ducking>

When you were a kid back during World War One, what was the equivalent?

[Thorn]

Re: CSIS Report: Securing Cyberspace

Just my opinion, so take it for what it's worth, but any official government document that uses the term 'cyberspace' just seems like a bunch of malarkey.

Or, in fact, anything that uses "cyber" as a prefix. Oh, the stories...

Yeah, yeah. We know you guys are old school and prefer the term "Information Superhighway."

<ducking>

[streaker69]

Re: CSIS Report: Securing Cyberspace

Or, in fact, anything that uses "cyber" as a prefix. Oh, the stories...

cybernetics?

[theprez98]

Re: CSIS Report: Securing Cyberspace

Just my opinion, so take it for what it's worth, but any official government document that uses the term 'cyberspace' just seems like a bunch of malarkey.

Or, in fact, anything that uses "cyber" as a prefix. Oh, the stories...

[streaker69]

Re: CSIS Report: Securing Cyberspace

Just my opinion, so take it for what it's worth, but any official government document that uses the term 'cyberspace' just seems like a bunch of malarkey.

[Thorn]

Re: The Future of Cyber Security: Overhyped or Underestimated?

Threads merged.

Can you imagine the american government doing the same thing? Or the British? Not a chance.

You might want to check your facts. Many governments do that, including the several US government agencies. While I have no direct knowledge of the UK government having such competitions, I would be rather surprised if they did not sponsor such things. Actually, my take on this story is that South Korea may be playing catch-up in this area.

I've been trying to be very neutral in my tone of postings, but that past statement seems like your just trolling to bash on the US Government.

Agreed.

artoir, we maintain a "no politics" rule here. While politics is often the flip side to discussions such as this, it is one thing to discuss the impact on computer security of a national policy, it is quite another to openly criticize a government, political entity, or political leader.

Instead of saying what you did above, it would have been acceptable to ask "Are any other governments undertaking similar programs?" or to state "I am not aware of other governments conducting such programs, and it seems unlikely in my opinion."

If that isn't clear, please re-read the DefCon Forum Rules.

[HighWiz]

Re: The Future of Cyber Security: Overhyped or Underestimated?

I saw a few people in another thread discussing how Obama plans to overhaul the security industry in the States and make sure everyone becomes aware of the dangers the internet pose.

So you created a new thread, to talk about generally the same topic?

Further, it's not what the President Elect plans to do, it's a report with recommendations for him... There is quite a difference.

Then this morning I read this.

Korea (I'm not sure whether it's north or south, I'll do a quick google search after) are taking it upon themselves to do the same thing, only take it a few steps further, by inviting ethical hackers to come along, prove themselves, and get a well paid job out of it.

You had a chance to read the other thread, did you have a chance to read the report? It covers some of the things specifically mentioned in the article, from a US Administration perspective. And the Korea Times is South Korea.

Perhaps I'm just so accustomed to the etiquette of Western Civilisation, but I think it wonderful that it can be reported that "The government is planning to host the country's first international hacking competition next year, which is part of efforts to train about 1,000 hackers who will lead research into the vulnerabilities of security systems."

Can you imagine the american government doing the same thing? Or the British? Not a chance.

Of course I can, and they have... Seriously, get your facts straight. I've been trying to be very neutral in my tone of postings, but that past statement seems like your just trolling to bash on the US Government.

Departments of the US Government routinely sponsors programs of that nature.

Anyway, I went off on a tangent there.

My question is; Is the general public (government and citizens) underestimating the threat of the internet that is to come, or is it being overhyped?

And just to make that clear, by general public I do not mean your average IT consultant, or anyone subscribed to Bugtraq. I mean those that use their computers to check Facebook or do a little online banking from time to time, or maybe to buy something on eBay.

Maybe you should ask that to someone else? Honestly, you're asking for an opinion about the 'General Public' from people that aren't the 'General Public', all they can do is infer what they believe about the General Public be it go or bad. Also, "The Government" is not the General Public. Also, what Government are we talking about here?

Furthermore The Internet cannot be a threat since The Internet is not alive. People who use The Internet can be a threat, but not The Internet itself. It's much akin to people who say that Firearms are a threat... If a firearm is not interacted with, it doesn't pose a threat.

If you're question was: Do you believe the US Government (or Gov of your choice) and it's Citizenry are underestimating the threat posed be certain entities that utilize the internet for their malicious intents or is it being over hyped? - Then I think people could answer it better.