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    N.D.R National Driver Register

    I recently received my driver license renewal form in the mail and couldn't help notice some changes to it; I quote:

    National Driver Register:

    Recently enacted federal legislation to improve highway safety requires state DMV's to check the National Driver Register prior to renewing a drivers license. NDR provides the names of states where an individual's driving privilege has been withdrawn. This federal legislation prohibits states from renewing a driver's license of an individual whose driving privilege has been withdraw in another state. PennDOT must comply with this federal requirement.

    So what does this mean looking backward? Comments please....

    If you had a drivers license in another state in the past 3 years(?????), and your privilege there is currently withdraw for whatever reason you aren't getting a renewed license in at least PA or any other state.

    So what does this mean looking forward? Again comments please....

    Does this mean that there is going to be a national driving points program? It use to be if I went to NJ and got a speeding ticket the points didn't go against my PA license. The reason being differently weighed point systems. A suspended license mite be 7 points in NJ while in PA it's only 5. Of course if I didn't answer the ticket, and or didn't pay it they wouldn't ask PA to suspend my license which they would based on money.

    Again comments please, I always welcome colorful ones to. :-)

    xor
    Just because you can doesn't mean you should. This applies to making babies, hacking, and youtube videos.
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    Re: N.D.R National Driver Register

    Originally posted by xor View Post
    ...If you had a drivers license in another state in the past 3 years(?????), and your privilege there is currently withdraw for whatever reason you aren't getting a renewed license in at least PA or any other state....
    Well, here it is. If you've lost your license in another state, as much as I dislike the big brotherism of this, I'm just fine with you not getting another license. It takes a lot to lose a license. Driving is a privilege.

    In CA, you lose it with four points, which is less than either of those you name. I wish they took it away after the second DUI, no matter what the driver's record (they're supposed to, but it doesn't often happen). Once is stupidity. Twice is a deliberate attempt to kill someone. Before you knee jerk boys warm up, I'm stating, unequivocally, that anyone who's had a DUI, and gets a second, should not have a license. That privilege needs to be withdrawn for at least a year.

    If you're trying to give Darwin a chance, don't take out the rest of us too.

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    • #3
      Re: N.D.R National Driver Register

      Originally posted by shrdlu View Post
      Well, here it is. If you've lost your license in another state, as much as I dislike the big brotherism of this, I'm just fine with you not getting another license. It takes a lot to lose a license. Driving is a privilege.

      In CA, you lose it with four points, which is less than either of those you name. I wish they took it away after the second DUI, no matter what the driver's record (they're supposed to, but it doesn't often happen). Once is stupidity. Twice is a deliberate attempt to kill someone. Before you knee jerk boys warm up, I'm stating, unequivocally, that anyone who's had a DUI, and gets a second, should not have a license. That privilege needs to be withdrawn for at least a year.

      If you're trying to give Darwin a chance, don't take out the rest of us too.
      Shrdlu --

      Agreed. When I saw xor's post I was reminded of the man who has had multiple DUI's in multiple states and carried multiple driver's licenses. However, there are some really huge holes is this. Unfortunately our standup law enforcement peoples can and will use this to abuse our constitutional rights. Already is happening to pad the state databases with fingerprints and personal information of people picked up for relatively innocuous and dropped charges. But not before their personal information was seeded into the databases that are attached to this national database.

      Personally? I was charged with (but not convicted of) a DUI because I didn't read the fine print when applying for a driver's license. In my state, You MUST take a breathalyzer or blood test if the cops want you to. Doesn't matter why they pull you over. If you don't, you get busted for DUI. That's why I got busted. I refused. I know better now. :-) And btw, here, it's big business. Brings in millions of dollars annually for the counties through fines, etc.

      I agree that getting dangerous people off the road is appropriate. But at what cost to those who are not. Just food for thought. And when did national requirements preclude states rights?

      Regards,

      valkyrie
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        Re: N.D.R National Driver Register

        Originally posted by valkyrie View Post
        In my state, You MUST take a breathalyzer or blood test if the cops want you to. Doesn't matter why they pull you over. If you don't, you get busted for DUI. That's why I got busted. I refused.
        I think this is the case in many states.

        Interesting, here in Maryland:
        Test refusal results in a 120 day to 1 year license suspension and is admissible in court, but is not an assumption of guilt.
        Go figure.
        "\x74\x68\x65\x70\x72\x65\x7a\x39\x38";

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        • #5
          Re: N.D.R National Driver Register

          Originally posted by valkyrie View Post
          Personally? I was charged with (but not convicted of) a DUI because I didn't read the fine print when applying for a driver's license. In my state, You MUST take a breathalyzer or blood test if the cops want you to. Doesn't matter why they pull you over. If you don't, you get busted for DUI. That's why I got busted. I refused. I know better now. :-) And btw, here, it's big business. Brings in millions of dollars annually for the counties through fines, etc.
          This is precisely the reason why I said the second offense is the one that loses. Many first time DUIs are caused by various levels of naivete, rather than the drunken stupidity that characterizes the repeat offender. While there are plenty of first time DUI folk that just plain need shootin', it's the moron that just doesn't get it that I want to not drive. I'm also a huge fan of long jail terms, but that's just me.

          Originally posted by valkyrie View Post
          I agree that getting dangerous people off the road is appropriate. But at what cost to those who are not. Just food for thought. And when did national requirements preclude states rights?
          Long before you were born, cookie...

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            Re: N.D.R National Driver Register

            Originally posted by valkyrie View Post
            And when did national requirements preclude states rights?
            Originally posted by shrdlu View Post
            Long before you were born, cookie...
            I'm thinking 1787.
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            • #7
              Re: N.D.R National Driver Register

              Originally posted by theprez98 View Post
              I'm thinking 1787.
              lol.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Maximum_Speed_Law
              and
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...ge_Act_of_1984

              to name some more recent things ;)
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              • #8
                Re: N.D.R National Driver Register

                Originally posted by g3k_ View Post
                lol.

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Maximum_Speed_Law
                and
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...ge_Act_of_1984

                to name some more recent things ;)
                So it isn't so much that states rights are out right violated, rather they are limited through extortion. :-)

                Got it. kthnks.

                Regards,

                valkyrie
                __________________________________________________
                sapere aude

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                • #9
                  Re: N.D.R National Driver Register

                  1. thanks for the initial posting of this. I have been getting told by my parentals that all of my tickets for speeding, all while changing duty stations, will eventually add up and I will lose my license. (I'm glad I don't listen to them at times)

                  2. I can see where this will come in extremely handy, such as the DUI topics, along with countless others I'm sure. I'm still not really sure I like the big brother aspect of it all though.
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                  or possibly destroying, I haven't figured that out yet.

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                  • #10
                    Re: N.D.R National Driver Register

                    Originally posted by valkyrie View Post
                    So it isn't so much that states rights are out right violated, rather they are limited through extortion. :-)

                    Got it. kthnks.

                    Regards,

                    valkyrie
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