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  • shrdlu
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    Originally posted by FarmerPete View Post
    I wish I could do that in the USA. The tipping system in the USA is MORONIC!!!! A straight % based system is total shit....

    The point of this is, while tipping may be required by our society, tipping a % based amount is total bullshit.
    Sir, I will remind you that nothing prevents you from tipping more. The percentage thing is to remind you that at least X amount is what you should be expecting. I frequently over tip, especially when times are hard. I never tip less than five dollars for anything. The amounts even out (by the way) as long as you're following that percentage thing.

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  • FarmerPete
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    Originally posted by punchy View Post
    Wow, thanks for all the advice...
    I come from Australia where tipping is an extra for exemplary service.
    I guess I better stock up on dollar bills!

    Resevoir Dogs kicks ass.
    I wish I could do that in the USA. The tipping system in the USA is MORONIC!!!! A straight % based system is total shit. Okay, so I went to a restaurant with a friend of mine. We both ordered soft drinks, and then for the meal, he ordered a chicken dish that cost $10. Me on the other hand, I went with a Steak and Ribs combo that cost $20. The bill comes and his tip is roughly half of what mine should be. Let me ask you a question, did the waiter/waitress do ANY more work for my meal? Why should I tip twice as much, just because I wanted to eat a nice steak and ribs? Or consider two people that order the same meal, but one orders a water, and the other a coke. A coke costs $2-4, did the waiter/waitress do extra work for the coke? Not likely. Yet, according to the tipping "rules" she deserves 0.30-0.60 more than the water drinker. How does that make sense?

    The point of this is, while tipping may be required by our society, tipping a % based amount is total bullshit.

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  • ripshy
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    Originally posted by xor View Post
    I disagree on the following:

    Taxi cabs are leased, so you have an owner operator situation most of the the time, and therefore get 100% of the meter.
    In most places this is true, however, in Las Vegas it generally is not. Frias Management, which owns most of the cab companies that run the strip, is not owner operator...the drivers work off commission. In fact, I dont think I have ever seen a leased cab in Vegas, and I have lived here for 15 years.

    Interesting fact which might explain why: Many automotive manufacturers actually "give" vehicles to cab companies in Vegas to run them for test purposes. it facilitates cheap vehicle testing in one of the harshest heat environments available. I used to manage testing like this for Chrysler. ALL Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge cabs with the Frias logo on them are test vehicles.

    So, do tip cabbies if they are deserving, and watch out for the ones that "long haul" you through he airport tunnel to get to your hotel...this adds $5+ in un-necessary fare. Report those cabs to Taxicab Authority.

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  • hackajar
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    <rant>
    I agree with Chris 100%. As a Las Vegas resident for 7 years, I came to the following conclusions:

    1.) If they treat you like crap because they _expect_ you to tip cause "Hey it's Vegas everyone is suppose to tip" DON'T Tip them (at least well if you feel guilty)

    2.) Don't tip for simple stuff like coffee you waited 5min in line to order and 5min in another line to get

    3.) Always tip at buffets, staff gets paid 6.15 /hour to bus the mess you leave behind

    4.) Taxes on credit card tips a problem? Pahleese, sorry I'm not helping them side step income taxes in which I pay their entire years earning just in my personal income taxes alone. We all need to do our share.

    5.) It's a recession, this is the time service needs to step up and earn MY dollars. If I return from DEF CON with a pink slip waiting due to bad economic times, I am going to reflect on all that extra cash I blew and think "Did they really earn a $5 tip on a $15 mean?" If they did, I don't feel as bad that now I'M in the poor house for a while, wish some drunk hacker over tipped me at security convention.

    Kind of blunt honesty, but, seeing how crappy service really is in Las Vegas, it is my feeling that if people don't step up and push for good service (via complains and tipping style) things will never change.

    </rant>

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  • eecue
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    when tipping for food, 15% should be the minimum unless the service was really bad. if you got great service, tip more.

    as for tipping the maid, we always leave 10% of the room cost per night and a little note saying thanks for the hard work.

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  • punchy
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    Wow, thanks for all the advice...
    I come from Australia where tipping is an extra for exemplary service.
    I guess I better stock up on dollar bills!

    Resevoir Dogs kicks ass.

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  • xor
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    Originally posted by Chris View Post
    Just watch Resevoir Dogs before you come out. Mr. Pink has the right idea.
    Awesome movie, just re-watched that recently.

    xor

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  • jackassplus
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    Originally posted by YenTheFirst View Post
    It doesn't change your rule of thumb, much, but it recently got bumped up to 8.1%. Le sigh . . .
    I had to go look at a receipt and check, shows how much I pay attention... meh.

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  • YenTheFirst
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    Originally posted by jackassplus View Post
    Another quick tip. Sales Tax in Nevada is 7.5%. So consider the minimum tip to be double the tax you paid rounded up to the nearest dollar.
    It doesn't change your rule of thumb, much, but it recently got bumped up to 8.1%. Le sigh . . .

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  • Chris
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    Just watch Resevoir Dogs before you come out. Mr. Pink has the right idea.

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  • xor
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    I disagree on the following:

    Taxi cabs are leased, so you have an owner operator situation most of the the time, and therefore get 100% of the meter.

    If deserved, tips for food should be 20%; specially the pizza delivery folks. Worked in food service many years ago, and tips are the best part of a really sucky job.

    While in the pasture always tip cows from the side, if that's the tipping you were referring to my outback mate.

    xor
    Last edited by xor; July 25, 2009, 14:22.

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  • shrdlu
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    Originally posted by Schuyler View Post
    But don't be afraid to be gauche if you receive sub-par service, even at higher end places. While I love America's culture of tipping, there is also a small subculture of complacency in the service industry. So, don't forget that while tips are the primary income of some of the people you will be dealing with, they are expected to earn them.
    This is correct. In every case where the service has been poor enough that I would normally not leave a tip, I leave a few pennies. I do not want the server to think that I'd forgotten. I want the message to be clear. In some cases, the service was so poor that I spoke to the manager, but I usually don't like to bother. If they don't know that the staff is that bad, they deserve what they get.

    Originally posted by Schuyler View Post
    I've generally been impressed with the service I have received everywhere I have eaten or drank in Vegas, and I expect you will be too, the entire city is based on service & entertainment, so they know how to do it right. Just worth remembering about America on the whole. When I worked in a restaurant I knew a few servers who would immediately give up on trying to please a table once they realized they were foreign, because so often foreigners didn't understand the nature of tipping, they just assumed the worst and acted accordingly.
    Depends on the country, and on the class (sorry, but there is absolutely no such thing as a classless society). This is actually a poor choice for servers, since others diners will notice.

    Kudos to the original poster by the way.

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  • Schuyler
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    But don't be afraid to be gauche if you receive sub-par service, even at higher end places. While I love America's culture of tipping, there is also a small subculture of complacency in the service industry. So, don't forget that while tips are the primary income of some of the people you will be dealing with, they are expected to earn them.

    I've generally been impressed with the service I have received everywhere I have eaten or drank in Vegas, and I expect you will be too, the entire city is based on service & entertainment, so they know how to do it right. Just worth remembering about America on the whole. When I worked in a restaurant I knew a few servers who would immediately give up on trying to please a table once they realized they were foreign, because so often foreigners didn't understand the nature of tipping, they just assumed the worst and acted accordingly.

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  • Thorn
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    For higher-class restaurants, the tip should be at least 15%-20%. Anything under 15% is considered gauche.

    Edit: Oh yeah, I generally tip $1 for washroom attendants. Although, I've not encountered them at any DC.
    Last edited by Thorn; July 25, 2009, 09:52.

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  • noid
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    All good points so far. When it comes to the baggage handling stuff, the rule of thumb is a buck a bag (two if its heavy). If the person is taking them up to my room, i usually throw another buck or two on top of that. If you are checking your car out of valet, tip the guy who brings it up a buck. If you end up using the concierge, slide the guy a buck or two for his help. If you have the front desk run anything up to your room, make sure to give the guy a who gets sent up a few bucks. If you make a mess of your room, leave a few bucks on the dresser for the maids. Few years back at Defcon I remember looking at my room that had gone uncleaned for days (I had the DnD sign up for my entire stay) and had been the site of nearly nonstop goon debauchery and left 40 dollars on the night stand and a note that said 'sorry...'. Also, my fiancee wants me to add (she works at a hotel) that while its not tipping related, if you really want to make the folks who work in the hotel happy, fill out a comment card (mentioning them by name). Tips are nice, raises are better, and thats how you get them..

    Also, to repeat what Shrdlu already said..tip in cash whenever possible. When I go to vegas I always make sure to keep a roll of singles in my pocket.

    Also, it may bear mentioning that its typically considered gauche to tip in change. Yes my kangaroo riding friend, you're coming to the last country on earth that refuses to adopt a decent dollar coin.

    Shrdlu - While he never stated where he was from, I'm assuming by the G'day he's an Aussie.
    Last edited by noid; July 25, 2009, 09:51. Reason: Fiancee is in this industry, she had some thoughts too

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