Research on Cyber Warfare

[HighWiz]

Re: Research on Cyber Warfare

I'm a chick as well. I simply have no tolerance for the majority of other chicks and their finicky ways.

(Emphasis Mine)

See, unlike before, in this statement you used a qualifier.

I've reached a more focused topic now (I included a rough outline in another post). When I wrote the post you were referencing, I was in the first few days of research - at that point I was not sure what exactly to include.

So what's the "more focused topic"?

[Thorn]

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I agree, let's stick to the topic and not clutter the thread up.

I've often wondered why the term 'cyber security' got so popular. I find myself in the same situation with the DHS, being conflicted about the catch-all term. A lot of people use it as a short hand, catch all phrase. It is shorter than saying Information assurance / network security / information security / application security / whatever.

Much like "hacker" got appropriated by the mainstream press to esentiall become short hand for "malicious criminal" in the late '90s, Cyber has already stuck. It is here to stay, for better or worse.

Cyber Security, Cyber war, Cyber Coordinator, Cyber Command. The cat is out of the bag, jumped the shark, and down the rabbit hole.

You man the Cybercat is out of the Cyberbag, jumped the Cybershark, and down the Cyberrabbit-hole... Sorry, Thorn, had to.

Honestly, everyone can keep fighting about not using the term, but DT is right. The word is here to stay. So, we can either keep arguing about the term till we're blue in the face and expend all our energy doing that or begrudgingly accept it, and put forth the energy in educating people on protect themselves.

Please, don't get me wrong. I agree that education on the problem is the real point, and that our emphasis as a group should be there. It's just went I see "cyber*" it's an indicator to me that the person is a dilettante. Like I said, it's a red flag.

"Working in Law Enforcement" (which is what he initially said) can mean a lot of things. My guess would be that the scope of her involvement was a "consultant" to the upper echelons of an organization.

Agreed. I was thinking along similar lines.

[streaker69]

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"Working in Law Enforcement" (which is what he initially said) can mean a lot of things. My guess would be that the scope of her involvement was a "consultant" to the upper echelons of an organization.

Agreed. I was thinking along similar lines.

I think many people fail to the distinction between working WITH law enforcement and working IN law enforcement.

[AgentDarkApple]

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HighWiz, the more focused topic is info warfare and how it is both beneficial and dangerous to use computers and electronics for sensitive information particularly in warfare; and what considerations must be made regarding information security and information assurance, particularly in the context of war and national security. I was going to use examples of what could happen or what did happen (cyber crimes used as an act of war, cyber terror, Russia & Georgia, etc.) then get into applicable war theories, application of information security and information assurance principles, the CIA triangle, and why none of this is foolproof. I'm trying to steer away from the sci-fi and media-sensationalized ideas that I had when I first began the research.

Thorn & streaker69, her online bio says that she “is currently employed full-time by the ______ County District Attorneys Office. She has spent over 11 years working with law enforcement in preparing cases using digital evidence for trial.” I’m sorry if I said “in”, rather than “with”. Her bio is a bit vague as to what she actually does. All I know is that she is also teaching the Cybercrime and Computer Forensics classes that I have to take. She is apparently a new addition at my school and was given my Information Assurance class at the last minute, as a different instructor was listed when I first registered.

[Thorn]

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I think many people fail to the distinction between working WITH law enforcement and working IN law enforcement.

Streaker's been watching Blade Runner again.
Bryant: "You know the score, pal. You're not cop, you're little people!"

Thorn & streaker69, her online bio says that she “is currently employed full-time by the ______ County District Attorneys Office. She has spent over 11 years working with law enforcement in preparing cases using digital evidence for trial.” I’m sorry if I said “in”, rather than “with”. Her bio is a bit vague as to what she actually does. All I know is that she is also teaching the Cybercrime and Computer Forensics classes that I have to take. She is apparently a new addition at my school and was given my Information Assurance class at the last minute, as a different instructor was listed when I first registered.

It sounds like she's probably a technical specialist for the DA's office, which may or may not be a sworn position. Either way, to most people that would probably count as being "in" law enforcement, although to anyone who started in uniform, her street cred would probably be close to zero.

[renderman]

Re: Research on Cyber Warfare

HighWiz, the more focused topic is info warfare and how it is both beneficial and dangerous to use computers and electronics for sensitive information particularly in warfare; and what considerations must be made regarding information security and information assurance, particularly in the context of war and national security. I was going to use examples of what could happen or what did happen (cyber crimes used as an act of war, cyber terror, Russia & Georgia, etc.) then get into applicable war theories, application of information security and information assurance principles, the CIA triangle, and why none of this is foolproof. I'm trying to steer away from the sci-fi and media-sensationalized ideas that I had when I first began the research.

PM me, I have some relevant thoughts on those lines for a talk I'm giving in 2 weeks I can share. Mostly about the fact 'they' focus on the wrong things and bring in the wrong people to solve the wrong problem

[AgentDarkApple]

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renderman, thanks, PM sent.

[theprez98]

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So I guess we can all agree, that the word "cyber", should be removed from the English vocabulary when referencing Information Warfare....?

"So let it be UN-written. So let it be done."

xor

Oh man, now I really hope my Shmoo talk gets picked up.

[streaker69]

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Oh man, now I really hope my Shmoo talk gets picked up.

You mean your cybershmoo talk.

[valkyrie]

Re: Research on Cyber Warfare

I take my smack downs as I take my Scotch. Neat. Clean. Without additions. Thank you DT and HighWiz.

If my posts were actually read one one find that I wasn't bandying the issue of the word "cyber." As a matter of fact, if one would read one would find I initially stated that the word was here to stay.

If one would read, one might discover that I attempted to encourage the OP, but took umbrage to the OP's methodology.

My issue was with the OP's seeming approach to said paper. I have an issue with panderers. The OP's own words indicated that the OP was intending on pandering to the professor. Now, in retrospect, I realize that that is none of my business. The OP can do what the OP wishes. I trust the OP will no doubt be very successful.

Regards,

valkyrie
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[theprez98]

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You mean your cybershmoo talk.

Exactly!

[AgentDarkApple]

Re: Research on Cyber Warfare

Just wondering if any of you have heard of Martin C. Libicki or know of any problems with his research (bias, BS, etc.). He's written a load of books on info warfare and other related things we've discussed in this thread. Here is a list of some of his work http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=rdr_ext_...20C.%20Libicki I ordered "Conquest in Cyberspace: National Security and Information Warfare", and I'm still waiting for it to arrive.

[AgentDarkApple]

Update

Hey everyone, thanks for your help so far. Dark Tangent, the info on EMPs has been particularly helpful. The effects can be far worse than I thought - yikes! valkyrie, Schwartau's Information Warfare is surprisingly still relevant and accurate - it's scary how he predicted so much of what would really happen. renderman, the stuff you told me has helped a lot with the information assurance section. streaker69, your treasure trove of SCADA articles has also been a helpful resource.

I haven't updated the resources list yet, but I found a great resource from an Army War College master's thesis http://www.carlisle.army.mil/DIME/do...ric%20Army.pdf as well as several other bits of info. The rough draft is due next week. I'm glad you guys encouraged me to take a different angle than I'd originally intended. Any more suggestions or new or otherwise overlooked info is appreciated.

[valkyrie]

Re: Update

Hey everyone, thanks for your help so far. Dark Tangent, the info on EMPs has been particularly helpful. The effects can be far worse than I thought - yikes! valkyrie, Schwartau's Information Warfare is surprisingly still relevant and accurate - it's scary how he predicted so much of what would really happen. renderman, the stuff you told me has helped a lot with the information assurance section. streaker69, your treasure trove of SCADA articles has also been a helpful resource.

I haven't updated the resources list yet, but I found a great resource from an Army War College master's thesis http://www.carlisle.army.mil/DIME/do...ric%20Army.pdf as well as several other bits of info. The rough draft is due next week. I'm glad you guys encouraged me to take a different angle than I'd originally intended. Any more suggestions or new or otherwise overlooked info is appreciated.

If you get a chance and haven't already done so, do a search on HERF guns. They are EMP related. Remarkably easy to make. :-) I can unequivocally state that when built properly, they can fry the electronic brain out of CPU-based devices.

Regards,

valkyrie
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[AgentDarkApple]

Re: Update

If you get a chance and haven't already done so, do a search on HERF guns. They are EMP related.

valkyrie, thanks! I hadn't heard of HERF guns before, but I looked them up and they seem very similar to something that is being used by the Army. The implications of having a device like that are scary.