Hot girl hacker needs help

[SHA-hi]

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Well folks lets see if anyone can figure out our new MisterY.

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[AgentDarkApple]

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Last time I checked, and I know I've said this a million times before, the SEX of a person is irrelevant to them being a hacker...You have done nothing, you did not *achieve* a pretty face, you are not hot because you have a hidden talent called being hot... (truncated for length)

Nikita, well said! Your post summed up how I feel about this topic as well.

[Siviak]

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Last time I checked, and I know I've said this a million times before, the SEX of a person is irrelevant to them being a hacker...

I bet you're just saying that because you're a chick!

[Nikita]

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I bet you're just saying that because you're a chick!

I hope you choke on it.

[Ellen]

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I'd say no. In general, I find that women are indeed harder on other women, and I guess it's true here as well.

I just thought I'd comment on this. (Even though Nikita has pretty much said everything.<3 ) It's not a "harder on women" thing. It's a misrepresentation thing.

Think about how you feel when you see a sensational news story criminalizing hackers with an exclusive "expert" interview. You watch the "expert" make a fool of himself and you say "Great. That is how the world will see us now. This may spoil opportunities for us later on." That is EXACTLY how women feel when we see another woman misrepresenting our gender within any chosen field.

Now you know.

[hexjunkie]

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I just thought I'd comment on this. (Even though Nikita has pretty much said everything.<3 ) It's not a "harder on women" thing. It's a misrepresentation thing.

Think about how you feel when you see a sensational news story criminalizing hackers with an exclusive "expert" interview. You watch the "expert" make a fool of himself and you say "Great. That is how the world will see us now. This may spoil opportunities for us later on." That is EXACTLY how women feel when we see another woman misrepresenting our gender within any chosen field.

Now you know.

I would say in my personal opinion, which doesn't mean much I guess, it doesn't matter how one person represents themselves. I never equate a person's work ethic, knowledge, drive and ambition as the norm for that sexual, social, or racial group. This would be an assumption that none of us think for ourselves, and in reality generates that the guys of the board are assumed to work from flawed logic. I gauge a person based on their work or their way the interact with me. Note that I say gauge, not judge. Anyone is capable of doing something truly amazing, in this case here I'd say she is not speaking for all of "womankind" unless she makes a statement to that effect. I would hope that the entire community at the very least holds this type of opinion because of the way that we are constantly being held in a very negative light. For most of us; this light has been shown on us since birth.

In the words of the infamous Rodney King:

"Can't we all just get along?"

If you recall I made a statement that a majority of the women of DefCon are very beautiful, it is an opinion based on the women that I have meet and or seen at DefCon. Does that mean that all female hackers are beautiful.. far from it.. though the same can be said for all the males at the conference. This girl finds herself attractive and she wants to flaunt it let her.. it does no real harm to any of the female hackers in this social group. I would assume a good portion of regular attendees has met most of the women who post here. Their opinion would not drop due to the addition of a new person. If she is infact a scene whore she will be seen as such and then cast out from the social group. If she knows things and can demonstrate that through normal human conversation she will be accepted as a peer, not because of her looks but due to her ability to hold a conversation on the same level as whoever she is speaking to.

Until she gets to a platform where people actually listen to whatever they are being told, namely a political forum of some kind or news outlet, this is a no harm no foul situation. Is she skilled, I have no idea. Are the women who post on this forum on a regular basis skilled, hell yes. Would I think any less of the women I know based on this girls drivel? The smart ass wants to yell yes, but in reality no. Her posts do not modify my current opinion of any person I have currently met at DefCon.

[AgentDarkApple]

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I cannot speak for all of female geekdom, but I guess one of the issues is that most of us female geeks/hackers/etc. have at some point had our guy counterparts treat us like we were less of a genius just because we have two legs instead of three. I hope the guys here are not like that, and from my perspective none of you seem to be in that mindset. However, someone rolling in flaunting a Pretty Pretty Princess persona annoys us, because most of us want to be recognized for our brains, not our bodies. SWs have a disruptive effect that suddenly puts everything in the wrong context - they are freaks, not geeks, but some guys do fall for it. Pretty girls who really are hackers should be smart enough to know that their bodies detract from their brains when they present themselves in a certain way. Intelligent girls who become SW sellouts just to fit in or be accepted by the guys nauseate me. If I were pretty, I would be disgusted by guys ogling and giving me unwarranted attention and would want them to see that my brains can be more interesting than my bra size. To me, my mind and soul are the "real" me, and my body and looks are merely incidental to the rest of me. I often think we would all be better off if we had only our screen names and the products of our knowledge to represent us, both online and offline.

[FirmWarez]

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We're all judged by our looks, like it or not. And by our intelligence, and strength, and a number of other attributes that are deemed desirable by society and not entirely within our control. Nikita is right, achievement is key, but I'm enough of an anarcho-capitalist to not be too concerned with which of one's natural talents or gifts are used to achieve. Some folks achieve a lot because they make use of the beauty, brawn or brains nature has provided. I do not fault actors, porn stars, or pro athletes for achieving fame and fortune with what they've got. And, in general, in the lab or not, a little eye candy now and then is a good thing. I could never be an actor or model; I've got friends who are. They got in to their line of work because they are physically beautiful and working with it. I couldn't make it in their world, and they couldn't make it in mine. I'm happy with that, because we both have a place...

...that said I think the OP is one or more of the following

• trap
• goofball
• naive noob
• silly swinger

I really doubt that last one, because she hasn't mentioned being bi yet. Let's hope it's the third choice, at least that's something to work with.

[HighWiz]

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Think about how you feel when you see a sensational news story criminalizing hackers with an exclusive "expert" interview. You watch the "expert" make a fool of himself and you say "Great. That is how the world will see us now. This may spoil opportunities for us later on." That is EXACTLY how women feel when we see another woman misrepresenting our gender within any chosen field.

Now you know.

Yea, I hear that shitty argument from gay people in reference to other gay people all the time. And it's no less bullshit there than it is here.

But hey, the one group of gay people who make it difficult on another group use that crappy reasoning for their justification, and you're just doing the same... So bully for you.

But You're right.

Now I do know - what type of person you are.

[Ellen]

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Yea, I hear that shitty argument from gay people in reference to other gay people all the time. And it's no less bullshit there than it is here.

But hey, the one group of gay people who make it difficult on another group use that crappy reasoning for their justification, and you're just doing the same... So bully for you.

But You're right.

Now I do know - what type of person you are.

Interesting.There are at least 2 other women in this thread making all of the pertinent points. I gave a nod of "me too" and you feel the need to single me out. Do I need to hold up the mirror? You have no idea what type of person I am. Some people here do, and they are most likely laughing at you right now. Sorry about that.

Also.. Sorry you disagree with my opinion, but sadly prejudice does exist. Human beings determine their initial behavior towards each other based upon their own personal experience and education. In that way, a person who reinforces a negative stereotype DOES make it harder for a person who does not. Negative experiences change the way a person approaches similar situations in the future. Do I wish we could all be like hexjunkie? Heck yes I do. :) That would rock.

I have no problem with this girl. It doesn't matter to me if she is a fake. It doesn't matter to me if she is flaunting her looks because she is looking for a nerdy boy. Nerdy boys need love. :) What I have a problem with is the way she presented herself. If what she REALLY wants is the respect of the other women in this community, she is going to have to prove that she can play by the same rules as the men. Eye candy is fantastic, but it is the icing on the cake when you are talking about a community founded to bring together competent and creative individuals. Tough love. ;)

[Chris]

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Interesting.There are at least 2 other women in this thread making all of the pertinent points. I gave a nod of "me too" and you feel the need to single me out. Do I need to hold up the mirror? You have no idea what type of person I am. Some people here do, and they are most likely laughing at you right now. Sorry about that.

Also.. Sorry you disagree with my opinion, but sadly prejudice does exist. Human beings determine their initial behavior towards each other based upon their own personal experience and education. In that way, a person who reinforces a negative stereotype DOES make it harder for a person who does not. Negative experiences change the way a person approaches similar situations in the future. Do I wish we could all be like hexjunkie? Heck yes I do. :) That would rock.

I have no problem with this girl. It doesn't matter to me if she is a fake. It doesn't matter to me if she is flaunting her looks because she is looking for a nerdy boy. Nerdy boys need love. :) What I have a problem with is the way she presented herself. If what she REALLY wants is the respect of the other women in this community, she is going to have to prove that she can play by the same rules as the men. Eye candy is fantastic, but it is the icing on the cake when you are talking about a community founded to bring together competent and creative individuals. Tough love. ;)

I swear to god. You girls have gotten so uppity ever since we let you vote.

[hexjunkie]

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Do I wish we could all be like hexjunkie? Heck yes I do. :) That would rock.

Wow inflate my ego a little why don't ya.. its ok though.. I always knew it was true :)

Anyways Ellen you just got yourself a beer on me :)

See me to collect :)

[HighWiz]

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Interesting.There are at least 2 other women in this thread making all of the pertinent points. I gave a nod of "me too" and you feel the need to single me out.

I singled you out because you did the "me too". One of my biggest issues now a days is people replying just to pile on someone else. And that's exactly what you did.

Do I need to hold up the mirror?

Of course not, I carry a full length mirror around all the time to remind myself of how hot am I, sometimes it's a curse. :sigh:

You have no idea what type of person I am.

No... After this post and the post before it (especially with the next line), I think have a very good idea of what type of person you are.

Some people here do, and they are most likely laughing at you right now.

Am I supposed to be sad or something that some random people may be laughing at me? OH NOES! It's the end of the world!

Sorry about that.

Psh, don't be sorry, I'm not. And apparently you know very little about me, if you think I really care what some random people think.

Also.. Sorry you disagree with my opinion, but sadly prejudice does exist. Human beings determine their initial behavior towards each other based upon their own personal experience and education. In that way, a person who reinforces a negative stereotype DOES make it harder for a person who does not. Negative experiences change the way a person approaches similar situations in the future.

I'm sorry you feel the need to justify your prejudice and ignorance.

Do I wish we could all be like hexjunkie? Heck yes I do. :) That would rock.

If you want to be something different than you are, then make a commitment to it and begin the process of reinventing yourself.

I have no problem with this girl. It doesn't matter to me if she is a fake. It doesn't matter to me if she is flaunting her looks because she is looking for a nerdy boy. Nerdy boys need love. :) What I have a problem with is the way she presented herself.

And she apologized for that, yet you felt the need to jump on the bandwagon "Me too! Me Too!"

If what she REALLY wants is the respect of the other women in this community, she is going to have to prove that she can play by the same rules as the men.

That's one of the few things you said that make any sense.

Eye candy is fantastic, but it is the icing on the cake when you are talking about a community founded to bring together competent and creative individuals. Tough love. ;)

I would say I'd disagree with you on "a community founded to bring together competent and creative individuals" but that would be a topic for another thread.

[Ellen]

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I singled you out because you did the "me too". One of my biggest issues now a days is people replying just to pile on someone else. And that's exactly what you did.

:D! No you didn't. You didn't even think about that until I said it. You singled me out because I was replying to you, because you were replying to me. Nice try though. ;)

I never said I disliked the girl. I said I disliked her actions. I won't form an opinion of her unless I actually meet and speak to her. Saying "I don't like this thing she did." is not a prejudice. If I said "I hate big titty ladies cuz they steal my respectz," THAT would be prejudice. (Not to mention terrible spelling and grammar.)

I am probably one of the easiest people in the universe to get along with. (Thus why I said people are laughing. Not because I think you care, but because the image in my mind of a lion fighting a mouse is pretty giggle-worthy. If you actually meet me you will understand.)

I have had plenty of life experiences which have led to my beef about unqualified women using their bodies to obtain positions of respect or authority. I am sure you have had life experiences that led to your sensitivity for perceived intolerance on web forums. I am willing to call this one. We can take it to PMs if you like, or you can come see me at Defcon. It may not be as fun as you hope though. (See above comment about lion and mouse.)

[HighWiz]

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:D! No you didn't. You didn't even think about that until I said it. You singled me out because I was replying to you, because you were replying to me. Nice try though. ;)

No, that's exactly why I singled you out.

I never said I disliked the girl. I said I disliked her actions. I won't form an opinion of her unless I actually meet and speak to her. Saying "I don't like this thing she did." is not a prejudice. If I said "I hate big titty ladies cuz they steal my respectz," THAT would be prejudice. (Not to mention terrible spelling and grammar.)

I believe.. No, I'm sure that you called the person a troll. In your earlier post.

I am probably one of the easiest people in the universe to get along with. (Thus why I said people are laughing. Not because I think you care, but because the image in my mind of a lion fighting a mouse is pretty giggle-worthy. If you actually meet me you will understand.)

I'm not a difficult person to find, I always show up at the forum meet, DC101 is a good place to get at me, ToxicBBQ... I'm around.

I have had plenty of life experiences which have led to my beef about unqualified women using their bodies to obtain positions of respect or authority. I am sure you have had life experiences that led to your sensitivity for perceived intolerance on web forums. I am willing to call this one. We can take it to PMs if you like, or you can come see me at Defcon. It may not be as fun as you hope though. (See above comment about lion and mouse.)

Honestly, I stop caring about the matter a while ago, though I always feel the need to respond on this forum. If, however it is really important to you, let me know and we can talk. As I said, I'm not difficult to find and will talk to anyone.

I agree though, as far as this thread is concerned, matter dropped and I'm sure someone will close the thread soon.