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  • Black Hat is AFTER DEFCON 19 -- what does that even mean!?!

    Are we trying to control the pet population? (copyright: Bob Barker). I assume we'll lose the folks that hung around for DEFCON after BH "just because". The BH briefings will be 3+ days after the last DEFCON talk. I still think we'll be 10K strong for DEFCON, but maybe less people wearing both badges. I think it's cool. I'll go to both still, but DC will come first -- as my guy, Dave Matthews would say, "That's OK, shit!"

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    Re: Black Hat is AFTER DEFCON 19 -- what does that even mean!?!

    Originally posted by Club81 View Post
    Are we trying to control the pet population? (copyright: Bob Barker). I assume we'll lose the folks that hung around for DEFCON after BH "just because". The BH briefings will be 3+ days after the last DEFCON talk. I still think we'll be 10K strong for DEFCON, but maybe less people wearing both badges. I think it's cool. I'll go to both still, but DC will come first -- as my guy, Dave Matthews would say, "That's OK, shit!"
    Hmmm. Not disputing what you are saying (yet) but where are you getting the BH USA 2011 dates? I don't see them on the BH website (in fact the dates for BH DC which is typically in Feb. aren't accessible yet on the site) so I am curious where you're getting the info. Please to be elaborating.
    perl -e 'print pack(c5, (41*2), sqrt(7056), (unpack(c,H)-2), oct(115), 10)'

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    • #3
      Re: Black Hat is AFTER DEFCON 19 -- what does that even mean!?!

      whoa... can you quote some dates on this and cite the relevant URLs?

      i'm wondering how things will shape up with training days versus briefing days, etc.

      EDIT: heh, roamer beat me to the punch
      "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
      - Trent Reznor

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      • #4
        Re: Black Hat is AFTER DEFCON 19 -- what does that even mean!?!

        I have to wonder how many presenters at BH will bail, the week after defcon can be some pretty harsh recovery time. If this updated schedule is that plan, that is.

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        • #5
          Re: Black Hat is AFTER DEFCON 19 -- what does that even mean!?!

          I don't have a valid URL; I recieved a presenter survey from BH a couple of weeks ago. One of the questions asked which BH event(s) I planned on attending in the coming year. It had all of them listed (DC and USA are the only ones I can realistically go to, so they are the only ones I paid attention to), but USA 2011 was July 30-Aug 4, 2011.

          That means the first two-day batch of BH training is going on at the same time as DEFCON (SAT/SUN) followed by another two-day batch of BH training on MON/TUE and then the BH Briefings WED/THUR.

          That means folks would have to "hang around" Vegas on MON/TUE if they weren't going to a BH training and were planning on attending the BH Briefings. Seems like a good two-day window for B-Sides (I heard good things about that event this year).

          Quick edit: I believe DC 2011 is January 16–19, 2011 in Arlington, VA.

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          • #6
            Re: Black Hat is AFTER DEFCON 19 -- what does that even mean!?!

            This is where the information is coming from: Survey question 13 of the post-Black Hat survey. I got the same survey (see bold):

            13. Are you planning to attend a Black Hat event in 2011?
            Are you planning to attend a Black Hat event in 2011?
            Black Hat DC, January 16–19, 2011, Arlington, VA
            Black Hat Europe, March 7-10, 2011, Barcelona, Spain
            Black Hat USA, July 30-Aug 4, 2011, Las Vegas, NV
            Black Hat Abu Dhabi, Dates: TBD, Abu Dhabi, UAE
            I don’t not plan to attend a 2011 Black Hat event
            "\x74\x68\x65\x70\x72\x65\x7a\x39\x38";

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              Re: Black Hat is AFTER DEFCON 19 -- what does that even mean!?!

              Yes, exactly -- Thanks, prez.

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              • #8
                Re: Black Hat is AFTER DEFCON 19 -- what does that even mean!?!

                The dates on the DEF CON page are wrong and should be fixed today. Things are as they normally are with BH before DEF CON.
                perl -e 'print pack(c5, (41*2), sqrt(7056), (unpack(c,H)-2), oct(115), 10)'

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                • #9
                  Re: Black Hat is AFTER DEFCON 19 -- what does that even mean!?!

                  http://www.facebook.com/defcon

                  "DEF CON 19 will take place August 4 to August 7, 2011 at the Rio Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada"

                  As much as I trust fb anything.

                  xor
                  Just because you can doesn't mean you should. This applies to making babies, hacking, and youtube videos.

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                    Re: Black Hat is AFTER DEFCON 19 -- what does that even mean!?!

                    Originally posted by xor View Post
                    http://www.facebook.com/defcon

                    "DEF CON 19 will take place August 4 to August 7, 2011 at the Rio Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada"

                    As much as I trust fb anything.

                    xor
                    Neil, The Dark Tangent, and myself are the only admins on the DEF CON Facebook page. So you can trust that the information posted on it came from us, Just for future reference.

                    The dates on the DEF CON page will be fixed tomorrow when Neil is back in the office.
                    "Haters, gonna hate"

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                    • #11
                      Re: Black Hat is AFTER DEFCON 19 -- what does that even mean!?!

                      Originally posted by Nikita View Post
                      Neil, The Dark Tangent, and myself are the only admins on the DEF CON Facebook page. So you can trust that the information posted on it came from us, Just for future reference.

                      The dates on the DEF CON page will be fixed tomorrow when Neil is back in the office.
                      I personally won't believe it until I see it as a Wikipedia entry.
                      A third party security audit is the IT equivalent of a colonoscopy. It's long, intrusive, very uncomfortable, and when it's done, you'll have seen things you really didn't want to see, and you'll never forget that you've had one.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Black Hat is AFTER DEFCON 19 -- what does that even mean!?!

                        OK, good to see it's all straightened out. It seemed odd, thus my post.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Black Hat is AFTER DEFCON 19 -- what does that even mean!?!

                          I think it would be pretty funny to have blackhat after defcon. Maybe we'd get less corporate types and less "oh, I only went to defcon because I got $100 off" type people.
                          --- The fuck? Have you ever BEEN to Defcon?

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                          • #14
                            Re: Black Hat is AFTER DEFCON 19 -- what does that even mean!?!

                            Am I reading this right? DEFCON is going to be 4 days next year? Thursday to Sunday? August 4th is a Thursday if I'm reading my calendar right. And the 7th would be sunday ...... Don't want to book my trip too short if DEFCON is one day longer than usual. It's probably just gonna be cancelled anyways .......

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                            • #15
                              Re: Black Hat is AFTER DEFCON 19 -- what does that even mean!?!

                              There's DEFCON 101 and other fun stuff (Swag booth, DEFCON Shoot, et. al.) on THUR. You should plan on being there THUR AM to at least get your badge!

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