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  • Zorlac
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    Deviant, your talk at the shoot about the heat was also very useful... what was the comment you made about "lets get a move on, the sun is trying to bang us" or something? Gave me a good chuckle, thats for sure. Also, the bit about snakes made me oh so paranoid when it came time to take a leak!

    The A/C in my hotel room appeared to stay on all the time.... or maybe it was broken, just like a lot of stuff in my room (alarm clock that wouldnt cancel an insanely early 3am alarm set by previous occupier, ethernet had link but nothing on other end... lodgenet support #EPICFAIL "would sir like to use the free wifi instead?" "Are you fscking kidding me!!??! Have you any idea what is going on here this weekend?", lamp that made scary crackling noises when in use, etc).

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  • I.T. Warrior
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    Good you survived!!

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  • Deviant Ollam
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    Awe, i didn't think about the TSA considering the wraps to be a "gel"... i would have mentioned that at the DC Shoot and told people to be sure to dry them out.

    the best plan i had at the Rio was to dangle them from the A/C vent in the rooms. the added benefit of this is that the loose ends can be arranged to hang in front of the IR sensor on the thermostat. in the breeze from the fan they will flap around, often tricking the IR sensor into thinking that the room is occupied, and thus running the A/C even during they day.

    (i am always annoyed at systems that do not power the heating or cooling at all if no one is in the room. when i come back from 9 to 10 hours of hard work at contest and village and vendor rooms, i don't like having to wait 2 more hours just for the hotel room to be comfortable)

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  • TheCotMan
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    Originally posted by noid View Post
    Can we issue track it?
    Heh. I hope not.

    Seriously though, the projects system we have int he forums won't be renewed and upgraded, "soon."

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  • noid
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    Originally posted by TheCotMan View Post
    We can copy forward to Pre-Decon 20 / Defcon 20 planning when that forum is rolled out. We just need a reminder to do this.
    Can we issue track it?

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  • TheCotMan
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    Originally posted by noid View Post
    Hell, we should make this thread sticky. Good content as well as a good after-action write up.
    We can copy forward to Pre-Decon 20 / Defcon 20 planning when that forum is rolled out. We just need a reminder to do this.

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  • noid
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    Hell, we should make this thread sticky. Good content as well as a good after-action write up.

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  • eris
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    Excellent wrap up post! Now that you know what to expect and what works for you the next time will be even more enjoyable.

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  • Zorlac
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    As I started this thread, it seems only proper to kind of finish it off with what my experiences were.

    Hat - get one if you want to go outside and not burn your scalp... the sun is damn hot and high in the sky! Yes, the sun really is trying to kill you! :)

    Hydrate - water and Gatorade (or similar), and lots of it... worked well, and I just love Gatorade now. Seems there is a special "no additives, no this, no that, different recipe" version of Gatorade for sale in the UK, but I cant find anywhere that stocks it :( Will have to go to American Soda to get my fix.

    As mentioned above by chs, and also by Highwiz in the DC 101, dont get fooled by the hotel aircon. It may be cool inside, but you are still in the desert, and it is trying its very best to suck all the fluids out of your body however it can (that sounds just so wrong, but you know what I mean!). I drank almost as much in the hotel as when I was outside. My nose dried up, my eyes hurt by the end of the day (carried around and used eye drops after the first day!), and my skin hasnt really forgiven me for the lack of moisturing I did. Low humidity does have some downsides, so deal with that before you find out about it the hard way!

    The Camelbak was just great. Allowing me to fill the bladder with ice from the hotel machines and then with water (and optionally a Camelbak elixir tablet), keeping me going pretty much the whole day at the Con (and not spending vast amounts of money on overpriced bevarages!), and out at the DC Shoot on the Thursday AM. It also allowed me to shove some Gatorade bottles in the bag, and a place to secure the goodies from the vendor's area I collected during the day.

    The neck wraps worked amazingly well, and I never even knew they existed until it was posted here. Thanks to not5150 and eris for suggesting them. Sadly the TSA decided that it was a "gel" and I had to trash the one I was wearing when passing through the scanners at LAS (booo!).

    The low humidity made the heat much more bearable. Getting out at 7.20am in 30C/85F+ was comfortable, and even 40C/104F+ didnt get me running for shade and aircon at every opportunity. The only time I started to think I was losing the plot was in Death Valley at 47C/116F, at which point I did seak out shade and aircon :)

    Sun cream 50+ SPF if you want to outside is a wise idea, which does give you the ability to wear shorts and T-Shirts for longer periods, giving your body more chance to cool itself. I wouldnt advise staying out all day in the sun in shorts and T's if you are not used to it, but the only time I wore long pants/trosuers was on the flight in and out of Vegas (but then I didnt go out much during the day!)

    Washing your face after being outside - oh yes, that was highly refreshing... do it!

    And if you are outside for an extended period, just take things a little slower that usual... there is no hurry!

    So, again, a huge thanks to all who commented, it made Las vegas bearable for someone who doesnt usually deal well with the heat. At my next Defcon, I`ll spend less time worrying about the heat, and more time enjoying the con, the people, and the company :)

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  • chs
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    Originally posted by Zorlac View Post
    The advice given in this thread has been awesome, and because of that, I have arrived fully prepared to deal with the heat. Maybe selected items from this thread need to be extracted and posted in a sticky somewhere for DEFCON newbies to use every year.
    The only other thing I would add is be careful indoors too.

    People tend not to think about their hydration as much indoors because of the nice cool air conditioning, but the ultra-super-mega-dessicated dry air brings its own problems as well.

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  • Zorlac
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    Yep, San Diego.... I am here at the moment, so may drop in Wednesday to take a look around before I head back to Vegas (REI was already added to my GPS locations list), but I got some of the elixir tablets from Bass Pro in vegas at the weekend.

    After having some real worries about the heat, I found that it wasnt as bad as I had expected, if only because of the low humidity. I found I could do things I would normally do, so long as I stayed hydrated.... hell, I even decided to take a trip to Death Valley just to see how hot it was and how I coped. Yes, it was very very (118f/46c) hot, like walking in an oven, but I still managed to survive for a while before running back to the car.

    The advice given in this thread has been awesome, and because of that, I have arrived fully prepared to deal with the heat. Maybe selected items from this thread need to be extracted and posted in a sticky somewhere for DEFCON newbies to use every year.

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  • chs
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    Originally posted by Zorlac View Post
    Many thanks for the offer of bringing some with you or buying some for me, but i`m good.... i arrive in Vegas a week early for a one night stay, then drive to the coast to visit some people/family before I return to Vegas on Wednesday night. Gives me plenty of time to stock up on essentials of all kinds...
    "The Coast" as in Southern California?

    If so, drop by an REI store: http://www.rei.com/map/store

    They have the entire Camelbak lineup, including all sorts of hydration salts, liquids, gels, mixes, etc.

    I'm a huge fan of the Camelbak hydration tablets myself and have been using them for the past couple cons. The orange one tastes great, is very slightly fizzy, and has just enough caffeine to add to your alertness without making you twitch or shake.

    Anyways, REI will probably be a better bet than Bass Pro, and likely cheaper for what you need. It looks like they have a couple locations in the Vegas area too.

    One of the things to ask yourself during the day that will help keep you hydrated is "When was the last time I peed?". If it's been more than an hour, DRINK MORE. When I'm working days at con I use my 3-liter camelbak and probably go through 3 refills of that PER DAY. Even after drinking myself stupid, I'll then follow-up with a few (meaning, more than two!) glasses of water before bed.

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  • erehwon
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    Originally posted by astcell View Post
    And for the world travelers, here we look LEFT before crossing the road!
    Knowing friends that used to drive for Domino's Pizza and others that drove for Blackwater, I ALWAYS look both ways on a one-way street.

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  • astcell
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    And for the world travelers, here we look LEFT before crossing the road!

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  • erehwon
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    Originally posted by hinge View Post
    About walking in Vegas... as has already been said, things are farther away than they seem. The buildings/hotels/casinos are really big, and what looks close probably isn't. Also, you oftentimes can't walk directly to your destination, there are roads/freeways/fences/hedges/walls in the way that don't make themselves obvious until you reach them and have to turn around.

    Having made this mistake a few times (and feeling like the sun was about to kill me), I avoid walking places in Vegas during the day unless I know for sure it's really close. Cabs are worth the money, and they don't kill your buzz.
    Two more things to keep in mind, the number one killer of tourists in Las Vegas is crossing the street without a crosswalk, jaywalking in the middle of street will get you killed sober or worse, drunk off your ass.

    Cabs can't legally pick you up off the street like they can in the U.K. or any other major city, you have to hail them in a parking lot, and you're better off finding one at a casino. It doesn't hurt to tip the cab hop a $1 so if you are in a drunken state, s/he can advise the cabbie where you're going, so you avoid the cabbie taking you via the scenic route.

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