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**ck3k** · July 29, 2002, 01:01

defconpics.org

defcon x is gonna be my first con and your site helped me out by letting me see all the crazy stuff that happens there. if i get ne pics i will make sure to send you a link.

peace

ck3k

**blackwave** · July 29, 2002, 08:42

Re: defconpics.org

Originally posted by ck3k
defcon x is gonna be my first con and your site helped me out by letting me see all the crazy stuff that happens there.

I am pretty sure this year there will be tons of pics... Don't forget to have your ninja mask ready... ;)

**Grifter** · July 29, 2002, 11:47

DefconPics

DefconPics kicks ass. It kicks so much ass that donkeys run like hell when they see the site coming.

I like the fact that it is there since I love looking at other peoples defcon experience. No one is ever in a bad mood at defcon. Plus it helps those that have never been get a feel for the experience.

I don't like the albums for sites that had a nice setup with explanations of pics. I liked just a straight mirror for that. I spent a lot of time working on my defcon 9 album and the explanations and what not and now it just has a mirrored album with no explanations and all out of sequence. I didn't care for that. I think if people spend the time on their album then a mirror would suffice. If they have 200 images in a directory. Then an album is kool.

Also, when the site first went up, you mirrored my archive at defcon.hektik.org. It has 137 images. Then you mirrored a friends site at satindeath.net and gave him props for a 118 image archive that was 62 megs. There was 62 megs because they're about 500k each. I gave him shit about how large they were, then you gave him props, Almus gave me shit about that for weeks. So damn you for that. This year I'll take a couple hundred 5.24 Megapixel pics and make sure you have to give them all your HD space. : )

Sorry if this sounds like bitching. But you want suggestions, you get em'. Go back and read the first paragraph again.

**tpublic** · July 29, 2002, 14:02

I've put a lot of thought into the "album versus mirror" concept. I agree that many people have put lots of effort into their sites, and simply plopping the pictures into albums take away from a lot of that, but there's no discussion about folks who just had directory listings of images. They'll get ass-imilated no matter what.

Part of the problem was that I liked the Gallery interface and the ability to search not only on the visible description but also invisible keywords (I've been putting "booze" in descriptions where there was enough of it to justify considering it a subject of the photo :D)

If I were to simply mirror the original sites, I run into:

having to hack the main gallery to link to it properly,
the risk of copyright infringement due to the overuse of background site content,
worries about portability and presentation with custom java/php/asp/etc, and
potentially confusing dumb viewers who leave the "standard" interface of the site and appear to be browsing another site

I don't think the functionality is in there, but it wouldn't be hard to hack a custom background for each album. That might make it seem like home, but I do want to maintain a unified GUI for the whole site.

The fact that descriptions of the pictures are not completed (especially when the original site had them) is strictly due to laziness. I wanted to hurry up and get as many pictures into the whole archive first, then the plan was to go back and fill in the descriptive text... I just haven't had the time.

With many of the first albums, I have attempted to identify the persons in the images in order from left-to-right and then top-to-bottom. With that, there are many #'s which indicate I couldn't quickly recollect who the hell they were. This is much harder for new groups, or people who don't really have a physical presence IRL.

Many images have descriptive filenames, which I have brought in as the description text when it seems usable. Others that have default alphanumeric names assigned by the camera I have not used as the caption.

Another reason why I like the gallery is that it gives me a thumb (duh) and a middle-sized image (which I set to 800 on the long side) as well as the original bohemoth image, whatever size that may be. The middle image allows for more uniformity in the archive, while preserving the original image -- though I have considered throwing out anything bigger than 800 pixels to save space.

And, finially, sorry about the props to a group who simply didn't have much bandwidth etiquette. I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone with a larger quantity of lower quality images :p

This touches on a situation where the original site may be mirrored or "album-ised" and then get updated later on. I have been trying to collect email addresses for the original site maintainer and will eventually mail everyone letting them know that they were victims of my web-sucking scripts. This will give them an opportunity to see what I've done with their images and the ability to keep me in mind when they change things around, like adding and removing images. The email links are also helpful for viewers who want to contact the original photographer or maintainer for whatever reason.

I wouldn't mind the ability to mirror what a site looks like (acts like, with java/php/etc will not be likely) as long as I can maintain some sort of compatibility with the rest of the archive. This, unfortunately, would require lots of custom code to effectively recreate static pages with an application that dynamically creates the current album pages. (I do have the ability to rearrange the images into any order, which seemed to be one of your concerns as well)

I do appreciate the feedback. The more criticism I get the better. Props are nice, letting me know it's usable, but criticism lets me know people like the site AND have ideas about how to make it more useful.

.nhoJ

**blackwave** · July 29, 2002, 14:12

site ripping protocol

Originally posted by tpublic
I do appreciate the feedback. The more criticism I get the better. Props are nice, letting me know it's usable, but criticism lets me know people like the site AND have ideas about how to make it more useful.

Hey why don't you webmaster's and site rippers come up with a common protocol to rip the photos, and be able to re-structure/recreate them onto a mirror? Such as using a flat file that would reside in each directory where images reside...

for example you could all the file '4mirrors-www-original-site' and the images would have corresponding filenames and descriptions... <keyOrder filename description> example below:

#4mirrors-www-original-site
#siterip_proto_v.1.2
#updated 29Jul02
0 green.jpg MacRellHead and ToshibaButt drinking it up
1 beerbear.jpg BoomBoom and Way0 knocking boots in the pool
2 bootylick.jpg this is what a human looks like after his third keg of guiness.
4 jackingo.jpg Don't Try this at home kiddies, anyone got a towel?
#EOF

This would certainly help in creating and maintaining pic sites with descriptions as well as rip them and maintain their album-likeness.... feel free to start an RFC on adding extended characters like color position image size, thumbnail size... etc...

**Freaky** · July 29, 2002, 16:09

Defconpics.org Needs to do flyers for the con so people afterwards will have a piece of paper to remind them where to post their digital followups to :)

**replicant** · July 29, 2002, 19:18

Originally posted by tpublic

Another reason why I like the gallery is that it gives me a thumb (duh) and a middle-sized image (which I set to 800 on the long side) as well as the original bohemoth image, whatever size that may be. The middle image allows for more uniformity in the archive, while preserving the original image -- though I have considered throwing out anything bigger than 800 pixels to save space.

.nhoJ

I like the gallery as it keep my lazy ass from having to put in descriptions.

**tpublic** · July 30, 2002, 00:04

I don't want to create any more dead tree rubbish and have it scattered all over an already littered city, so I didn't even consider "flyers" per se.

I did, however, plan a t-shirt I was going to wear to advertise the site. And I did think about business cards.

However, since I'm not allowed to go this year, there will be no advertising by myself at con.

If anyone wants to, I'll whip up a business card sized image and tile them in a pdf for distribution, but I don't think I really have enough supporters willing to assist.

"Lessee... you do the printing, cutting, and handing out..." I'm lazy, but not an asshole.

If someone does want to help out, let me know and I'll toss something pretty.

.nhoJ

**ck3k** · July 30, 2002, 15:27

i would like to help out your site.......so that pdf would be kool....i will make sure and pass some out.

peace

ck3k

**tpublic** · July 31, 2002, 00:22

For those so inclined, I have spent about 15 minutes coming up with some really lame advertising pieces here. (223K, largely due to the damn fonts)

I don't want anyone to worry about heavy stock, or anything cooler than cheap ass photo copy paper, and the color (red) certainly isn't required either since there is so much of it.

However, my children, glossy card stock and color output will receive praise and your own pictures in the archive. Okay, that was cheesy, but oh well.

Sharpen your scissors, warm up your dot matrix, and print like mad. But please, don't litter.

.nhoJ

(I thought about putting blank places on the back for people to fill in with things like "root password," "backdoor port," "send resume to," "code line vmb," "cute chick's number," but no one's really gonna get a cute chick's number -- let alone the trouble aligning the back side printing)

**Freaky** · July 31, 2002, 00:29

10 pages printing out right now :)

**astcell** · July 31, 2002, 11:22

We need a better way to see all the pics from all the links. Maybe something like PictureView usenet does. Just gather all the thumbnails from everywhere.

**tpublic** · July 31, 2002, 13:06

Originally posted by astcell
We need a better way to see all the pics from all the links. Maybe something like PictureView usenet does. Just gather all the thumbnails from everywhere.

I presume you mean local thumbs and not a subscription fee :)

I have been using an application called Gallery for the last few months which allows me to archive everyone's links locally and in a unified manner. Unfortunately, it recently broke hard core, but since I'm not going to con I suppose I can spend the weekend reloading everything <phear>

While it doesn't work exactly as it should (searching text in the captions, for example) please check it out here and let me know what you think.

Alternatively, anything that has a full red 'DCP' logo on the links page has been added into the album. You may click that logo to go directly to it's album.

I don't intend to hack it up so that there is so much text information (like PictureView) since that is meant for people who have low bandwidth and can't get binaries themselves. Def Con Pics is a site intended to smother your pipe with useless photographic images from the con. There will not be a Def Con Pics Lite, and it may actually get more bloated over time.

If that's not what you were referring to, I have no idea what you meant.

.nhoJ

**astcell** · July 31, 2002, 13:24

This is pretty close, it has submenus, it'd be nice to have them all continous.

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