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  • #1

    DEFCON Documentary updates

    Hey, is there anyone in the know about the DEFCON Documentary and how that's coming along? back at the closing ceremonies for DC XX the official line was "it will be out in time for the holidays" and that was even described (unless i'm insane) as meaning "in time for Thanksgiving and beyond" (i specifically thought i heard "late October" stated, but i'd love to be corrected there)

    Well, since that deadline (if it was indeed the plan) is totally blown, i'm wondering if anyone from DEFCON central can comment on the new target date.

    Back at the start of November, the DEFCONdoc twitter account promised "regular timeline posts" and showed this image...


    ... but then there were no updates after that.

    The preview video that came out at Christmas was pretty cool, but when i spoke with Jason on Twitter about how things were going and asked about progress of this and other work he kinda just snapped at me, so I haven't bothered him with any more questions since then.

    Can Jeff or anyone else comment on what we know about the documentary? Can anyone who knows Vegas Pro look at that image and tell what it's supposed to represent in terms of percent complete?

    The preview was truly gorgeous-looking and has made me even more excited than before about the chance to show the final result to my family who has long wondered what it is we do every summer out in Vegas.
    "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
    - Trent Reznor
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    Re: DEFCON Documentary updates

    And in case you missed the preview:
    http://vimeo.com/56234900

    And the quick short teaser:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw_cgRy94YY
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    • #3
      Re: DEFCON Documentary updates

      Jason Scott talks about the documentary occasionally on his Facebook page. Seems to be coming along nicely.

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      • #4
        Re: DEFCON Documentary updates

        Originally posted by rbcp View Post
        Seems to be coming along nicely.
        well, that's the thing though, isn't it? while i'm confident that really great work is being done (Jason's attention to detail is second to none) we're past the point of being able to think that it's coming along "nicely"

        Deadlines are deadlines, and if they are shifting or changing it'd be nice to just know the new estimates.

        Again, i'd welcome anyone letting me know that my memory of the closing ceremony is wrong. But i think that i surely can recall telling a lot of folk back home excitedly about the documentary and how we would all be watching it this winter. If i am incorrect about what i recall us being told, i'm happy to be corrected.

        So, those who are on facebook and can therefore see the news posts... are you familiar with the new target date for release?
        "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
        - Trent Reznor

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        • #5
          Re: DEFCON Documentary updates

          Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post
          So, those who are on facebook and can therefore see the news posts... are you familiar with the new target date for release?
          This was actually commented on yesterday by Jason Scott on the original Vimeo link for the Documentary:

          Originally posted by Jason Scott
          It would be reasonable to expect the documentary to come out somewhere in the April-July region of time. DEFCON owns the film and will make sure it's in the best shape before it goes out to the public, for free. Thanks!
          While "yes, I'm bummed I couldn't show the parents this for Christmas" the preview reel has me extremely excited, and I keep catching new vibes every time I watch. I just have to accept that there is a limit (probably a law of physics) to how much awesome even Jason can pack into a single day.

          On the other hand, this gives me even more time to prepare for my mind being blown, so this can only be a good thing.
          I check my sanity with a wristwatch. What do you check yours with, a dipstick?

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          • #6
            Re: DEFCON Documentary updates

            Hi Deviant,

            While I'm sure much of your distress has to do with the fact that you want to see your gleaming, cheerful smile talking about the DC Shoot, I'd ask you to breathe easy for a bit. The rough cut of the film is being targeted by the end of January. When it came down to it, we simply had too much material to go through and categorize in order to release this by Christmas (which was the original deadline).

            The rough cut will be reviewed by DT and I, with changes happening for the several weeks after. We need to get this done by March so we can start the process of putting together the "box set". Due to the amount of footage, and the variety of different topics that can't be covered in the free film (time and size restrictions), Jason is busy creating "shorts" that will be included in the box set, only.

            Anyway, that's the update. And inviting people to "correct you" if you're wrong, sounds like a terrible idea on this forum. Just saying. And at what point are you "past the point" of being able to think it's coming along nicely. It seems pretty shitty to be complaining about something that Jeff has paid for as FREEBIE for the scene.

            If you need to chat more about this, you know my email address.

            My 2 cents.
            -Russ

            Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post
            well, that's the thing though, isn't it? while i'm confident that really great work is being done (Jason's attention to detail is second to none) we're past the point of being able to think that it's coming along "nicely"

            Deadlines are deadlines, and if they are shifting or changing it'd be nice to just know the new estimates.

            Again, i'd welcome anyone letting me know that my memory of the closing ceremony is wrong. But i think that i surely can recall telling a lot of folk back home excitedly about the documentary and how we would all be watching it this winter. If i am incorrect about what i recall us being told, i'm happy to be corrected.

            So, those who are on facebook and can therefore see the news posts... are you familiar with the new target date for release?

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            • #7
              Re: DEFCON Documentary updates

              Thanks, BK. I can always count on 303. It's being worked on actively, and constantly. And it will be epic.

              -Russ

              Originally posted by bluknight View Post
              This was actually commented on yesterday by Jason Scott on the original Vimeo link for the Documentary:



              While "yes, I'm bummed I couldn't show the parents this for Christmas" the preview reel has me extremely excited, and I keep catching new vibes every time I watch. I just have to accept that there is a limit (probably a law of physics) to how much awesome even Jason can pack into a single day.

              On the other hand, this gives me even more time to prepare for my mind being blown, so this can only be a good thing.

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              • #8
                Re: DEFCON Documentary updates

                I'll throw another question out there, then.

                Jason Scott has said in the past (but I'd have to dig for quotes, and may be wrong) that he wants to put most/all of the raw footage of the interviews, etc. for his documentaries (specifically BBS and Get Lamp) online for others to mine and re-mix as appropriate. Personally, I think this is a great idea, as the subjects of these interviews and documentaries might not be available much longer.

                My question for you (Russ and DT) is this: as the apparent rightsholders for the footage, would you be interested in doing the same at some point (maybe a few years down the road), so that others might be able to build on this?

                Feel free to reply privately, if warranted.
                I check my sanity with a wristwatch. What do you check yours with, a dipstick?

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                • #9
                  Re: DEFCON Documentary updates

                  That's a good question. I know we've already had this conversation, but I won't speak on DT's behalf on this, just because a man is welcome to change his mind. I wouldn't mind seeing it made public, personally. But it's really DT's call in the end.

                  -Russ

                  Originally posted by bluknight View Post
                  I'll throw another question out there, then.

                  Jason Scott has said in the past (but I'd have to dig for quotes, and may be wrong) that he wants to put most/all of the raw footage of the interviews, etc. for his documentaries (specifically BBS and Get Lamp) online for others to mine and re-mix as appropriate. Personally, I think this is a great idea, as the subjects of these interviews and documentaries might not be available much longer.

                  My question for you (Russ and DT) is this: as the apparent rightsholders for the footage, would you be interested in doing the same at some point (maybe a few years down the road), so that others might be able to build on this?

                  Feel free to reply privately, if warranted.

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                  • #10
                    Re: DEFCON Documentary updates

                    Originally posted by russ View Post
                    [...] I won't speak on DT's behalf on this, just because a man is welcome to change his mind. I wouldn't mind seeing it made public, personally. But it's really DT's call in the end.
                    Fair enough. Knowing Jason, there's MORE than enough material to make a good documentary here, and I'd love to see all of it... Even a "director's edition", if DT wants to release the rough cut at some point. ;) But for something that the community is getting for free (and that I can't wait to pay for to get my hands on the 'goodies'), I ain't going to complain... except about the fact that my secret Jason Scott cloning project didn't work. That's the REAL reason it didn't make it by Christmas. :P
                    I check my sanity with a wristwatch. What do you check yours with, a dipstick?

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                    • #11
                      Re: DEFCON Documentary updates

                      Originally posted by russ View Post
                      Anyway, that's the update. And inviting people to "correct you" if you're wrong, sounds like a terrible idea on this forum. Just saying. And at what point are you "past the point" of being able to think it's coming along nicely. It seems pretty shitty to be complaining about something that Jeff has paid for as FREEBIE for the scene.
                      nod. i actually learned of the new release target for the spring from Jeff just after i posted here on the forums.

                      and i genuinely am concerned that my comments here are somehow being misinterpreted. The only thing i was expressing was the notion of feeling in the dark about how the project was going. The twitter feed hadn't updated in a while. The Vimeo page with the preview only stated that the film was due to be released "on 2013" (was there a specific date missing from that sentence accidentally?) I have friends and relatives that ask me about the film and was hoping for something to tell them, that's all.

                      and i really would welcome anyone correcting me, Russ. i stand by that. if i recall previous comments incorrectly, i'd want to know about that. if there were updates about the film being posted elsewhere, i'd want to know about that (to keep up with the news). i see that yesterday, Jason did make a comment on the Vimeo page. but absent that comment, i was not aware of any news or updates coming out.

                      complaining might be a slightly strong word in the context of my post, don't you think?


                      Originally posted by russ View Post
                      While I'm sure much of your distress has to do with the fact that you want to see your gleaming, cheerful smile talking about the DC Shoot, I'd ask you to breathe easy for a bit.
                      ugh. i hate being on camera. the less of me that's featured in the DC Doc, the better it will be. i'm thrilled that Jason remarked how well i can "sit for an interview" but being eloquent doesn't equate to being good-looking. ;-)
                      "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
                      - Trent Reznor

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                      • #12
                        Re: DEFCON Documentary updates

                        Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post
                        and i really would welcome anyone correcting me, Russ. i stand by that. if i recall previous comments incorrectly, i'd want to know about that. if there were updates about the film being posted elsewhere, i'd want to know about that (to keep up with the news). i see that yesterday, Jason did make a comment on the Vimeo page. but absent that comment, i was not aware of any news or updates coming out.
                        Having watched the DC20 closing, it did sound that Jason was targeting the holidays. However, we *ALL* know deadlines sleep, especially ones very loosely committed to like Jason's was.

                        Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post
                        complaining might be a slightly strong word in the context of my post, don't you think?
                        Speaking only for myself, I thought it might have been worded a tiny bit strongly, especially for Jason's very public reputation for being a straight shooter and generally being open. That being said, I still participate in dc-stuff, so I understand the value of direct communication.

                        Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post
                        [...] the less of me that's featured in the DC Doc, the better it will be. i'm thrilled that Jason remarked how well i can "sit for an interview" but being eloquent doesn't equate to being good-looking. ;-)
                        I dunno -- it seemed like you sat and came across well for Hackers Are People Too... And your talks are usually one of my favorites. (I routinely refer people to your Packing and the Friendly Skies video from Defcon a few years ago.) And you certainly don't do as much damage to the camera lens as I do -- I'm still waiting for Jason to send me the repair bill!
                        I check my sanity with a wristwatch. What do you check yours with, a dipstick?

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                        • #13
                          Re: DEFCON Documentary updates

                          All things aside - I enjoy the updates and the contention. I, for one, can't wait to show world the microcosm that is DC. More so - I can not wait to see folks again this year (without the cameras).

                          -blak

                          Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post
                          nod. i actually learned of the new release target for the spring from Jeff just after i posted here on the forums.

                          and i genuinely am concerned that my comments here are somehow being misinterpreted. The only thing i was expressing was the notion of feeling in the dark about how the project was going. The twitter feed hadn't updated in a while. The Vimeo page with the preview only stated that the film was due to be released "on 2013" (was there a specific date missing from that sentence accidentally?) I have friends and relatives that ask me about the film and was hoping for something to tell them, that's all.

                          and i really would welcome anyone correcting me, Russ. i stand by that. if i recall previous comments incorrectly, i'd want to know about that. if there were updates about the film being posted elsewhere, i'd want to know about that (to keep up with the news). i see that yesterday, Jason did make a comment on the Vimeo page. but absent that comment, i was not aware of any news or updates coming out.

                          complaining might be a slightly strong word in the context of my post, don't you think?


                          ugh. i hate being on camera. the less of me that's featured in the DC Doc, the better it will be. i'm thrilled that Jason remarked how well i can "sit for an interview" but being eloquent doesn't equate to being good-looking. ;-)

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                          • #14
                            Re: DEFCON Documentary updates

                            Originally posted by blakdayz View Post
                            I, for one, can't wait to show world the microcosm that is DC.
                            While I'm (patiently, Jason, I promise!) waiting for the Defcon documentary to come out, I've been (re-) watching several others with an eye to showing them to other people to show what our community (and in a case or two, Defcon itself) is kind of like. Ashley Schwartau's Hackers are People Too and The Defcon Experience are still pretty good works. And if that isn't enough, I'd point them in many cases to the several speeches of either Jason Scott or Richard Thieme.
                            I check my sanity with a wristwatch. What do you check yours with, a dipstick?

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                            • #15
                              Re: DEFCON Documentary updates

                              Originally posted by bluknight View Post
                              Ashley Schwartau's Hackers are People Too and The Defcon Experience are still pretty good works.
                              i've enjoyed Hackers are People, Too... but i'd never seen The Defcon Experience. I'll have to check that out.

                              There was another film, long ago, called 0wned which appeared at some film festivals a lifetime ago and then went nowhere. I have had no luck finding a torrent or streaming video of that one.


                              Originally posted by bluknight View Post
                              And if that isn't enough, I'd point them in many cases to the several speeches of either Jason Scott or Richard Thieme.
                              Top speakers for people to watch when I want them to undertand the hacker mindset and overall nature of who we are:
                              • Johnny Long
                              • Jason Scott
                              • Major Malfunction
                              • Simple Nomad
                              • Chris Nickerson



                              Two other amazing speakers whose topics and themes sometimes go over the heads of a lay audience but who are great on stage...
                              • Dan Kaminsky
                              • Richard Theme



                              And other amazing people who should never be missed when they're on stage...
                              • About a thousand
                              • Apologies for failure to list them here
                              "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
                              - Trent Reznor

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