DEF CON Documentary Special Edition Release Format?

[Nikita]

Hi there!

DT asked me to reach out to everyone with a forum poll and ask what format people thought we should release the documentary in for the special edition. DT is still going to release it for free to the community, but there will be some hard copies in a special edition set made available for purchase. And before you ask, I believe it will be slated to be released during DEF CON 21, and perhaps with a special premier.

Thanks,
Nikita

[supersat]

Re: DEF CON Documentary Special Edition Release Format?

Bonus points if you get it in a small USB stick like the ones Apple uses to distribute OS X now.

If there is room on the disc, you could do a standard DVD-Video disc with a high-quality h264 version file on it as well. A DVD/BD combo disc may also be an option.

[Deviant Ollam]

Re: DEF CON Documentary Special Edition Release Format?

optical media may be cheap to produce, but the format is dead. of all the folk whom i know personally and interact with often, most (including me) don't have an optical drive in their main computers. maybe one is able to be scrounged up somewhere in the house or in the lab... but giving someone something on disc nowadays always seems like you're giving them a homework assignment or a chore or something. :-)

either Flash Drive (if someone is purchasing it, wanting something cool... a branded flash drive) or torrent download would be my vote.

[gewk]

Re: DEF CON Documentary Special Edition Release Format?

agree with Deviant on this one.

Flash drive would be great, but I don't know how much cost is going to be an issue.

Torrent distribution would probably be the easiest/cheapest way to go

[800XL]

Re: DEF CON Documentary Special Edition Release Format?

Also agree that optical media is already obsolete. USB stick marked with Defcon logo will make a nice collector's item, more people likely to purchase it rather than pirate.

[blakdayz]

Re: DEF CON Documentary Special Edition Release Format?

optical media may be cheap to produce, but the format is dead. of all the folk whom i know personally and interact with often, most (including me) don't have an optical drive in their main computers. maybe one is able to be scrounged up somewhere in the house or in the lab... but giving someone something on disc nowadays always seems like you're giving them a homework assignment or a chore or something. :-)

either Flash Drive (if someone is purchasing it, wanting something cool... a branded flash drive) or torrent download would be my vote.

I would never plug a DEF CON branded flash drive into any PC I cared about. Just saying.
A nice DVD boxset would be cool.

[hydruh]

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If I want to watch the video on a machine, I'll download it.

A bluray would be optimal for watching in the living room of family and friends. That's what I want to see.

S

[spacerog]

Re: DEF CON Documentary Special Edition Release Format?

Since the movie itself will be given away via torrent or wherever the actually physical media that is offered for sale will be purely a collectors item. It should be reflected as such and since this is Defcon it should either be very new media or very old media. I don't think USB qualifies as 'new' media, besides USB is just plain boring. Maybe if we can get something in a holographic storage format? Can you even get that yet? I think an old format would even be cooler, even if you no longer have the technology to actual consume the content.

Think how cool having the Defcon doc on a laserdisc would be? Sure you would probably never be able to watch that version but you got the digital download for free anyway.

If it wasn't going to be 4GB+ in size I would suggest 8-inch floppy as well.

Hmm, maybe DT can convince Kingpin to design another 'badge' that has a USB interface and some memory with the movie that you have to hack in order to watch?

- Space Rogue

PS. Yes, I was serious about the Laserdisc, I think it would be cool. I'd buy it.

[astcell]

Re: DEF CON Documentary Special Edition Release Format?

I'd want Blu-Ray just to have a format I can watch easily without any fuss. I have issues with huge movies on a flash drive in my flat screen; seems the data cannot move fast enough for a clean image and I don't want to hassle with it. So my humble suggestions is to do Blu-Ray as a base, and then we can branch out from there on hacker-touch uniqueness.

Want unique? How about DNA? Read: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...orage/1858801/

Can we get someone to beam the entire show into outer space?

[Nikita]

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I would never plug a DEF CON branded flash drive into any PC I cared about. Just saying.
A nice DVD boxset would be cool.

Wait, you're the same person who said we needed to keep having a CD/DVD for the conference materials ( slides/pdfs), so it could be used at con incase a talk was pulled and there is some leet stuff, etc. I think it funny that a CD yes, but a USB no.

In the instance of a USB Stick, What are you worried about? I can only assume, by saying that, you'd be concerned about the security risk, even though it's something produced and distributed by us. Do you think we want to mass produce, sell, and distribute some kind of malware? A special edition DEF CON Trojan? Get off my lawn.

I never understand that, people say the same thing about the conference CD and if you are THAT vulnerable to begin with that you can't handle even examining the media then I shake my fist at you. Furthermore, I take it as a personal insult because damn it I am the one who has to put all that shit together and I'm not about to dump some CDC goatse disguised as DEFCON21.pdf, I think that would kinda be bad for business.

[Chris]

Re: DEF CON Documentary Special Edition Release Format?

I never understand that, people say the same thing about the conference CD and if you are THAT vulnerable to begin with that you can't handle even examining the media then I shake my fist at you. Furthermore, I take it as a personal insult because damn it I am the one who has to put all that shit together and I'm not about to dump some CDC goatse disguised as DEFCON21.pdf, I think that would kinda be bad for business.

Bad for business...maybe. AWESOME for lulz. Definitely.

[Deviant Ollam]

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I'd want Blu-Ray just to have a format I can watch easily without any fuss.

heh, you just made me feel young again. because your statement does smack of "previous generation" to me. whenever someone has optical media of any kind and hands it to me, i just kind of shrug and look around. if they ask "are you looking for a DVD or BluRay player on a shelf or something?" i reply, "No... i'm wondering where my time machine is... in order to go back to 2006 when we even had those players in this house." :-)

I guess i'm something of a different animal, though.

[Deviant Ollam]

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Has anyone ever made a BluRay drive hacked up to look like a 5¼ floppy drive? Over 9000 bonus points if you could put the actual BluRay media in a floppy sleeve and insert it into the slot and make it play. I'd buy that in a heartbeat, hah.

[bombnav]

Re: DEF CON Documentary Special Edition Release Format?

I'm still maintaining my laserdisc.... got to have my star wars as I saw it in 1977.

[800XL]

Re: DEF CON Documentary Special Edition Release Format?

Does anyone still have a working VHS?