Toxic BBQ 2013

[L0nd0]

Good news everyone! I just wanted to send out the message that the BBQ is on for this year and will be held in the same location. Things will be setup the same way and should all be taken care of so we are all ready to go!


And now for some bad news(or good news depending on who you are :P) this is my last year running the BBQ. For the last 10+ years I have had a blast making sure the coals are hot and the meat grills. The toxic BBQ has been my favorite part of Defcon where I made a lot of friends and cooked a lot of food but I really couldn't have done it without everyone that helped, participated, and came to the event. Watching the event grow into what it has become over the years is still amazing to me, watching people meet others that they never would have met at the con and actually get to spend time and hang out together will always be one of the things I will treasure about the event. My decision was a heavy one and although the BBQ means a lot to me I think it will benefit from some fresh blood while also allowing me to capture some free time back to perhaps create a new event, work on some creative projects that are still on the back burner, or even participate in the CTF again.

A good friend and counterpart accepted my offer to take over the BBQ and keep things going, he is a true friend and has helped me through the years get things setup and kept me going and has been instrumental in helping make sure the park is happy. Through the later years I have taken on the financial task of funding the BBQ with the aid of donations and been able to provide the space, supplies, and some of the general food to serve as the base layer so others can contribute at their leisure. I feel that this system works the best and have translated all of these details to my successor to help things continue to run smoothly. I am going to help him this year through the transition to make sure things still happen but look for his message shortly as I know he was waiting for me to post first, he’s a great person so please show him the respect and friendship you all have shown me through the years.

Thank you all again and looking forward to seeing everyone at con this year.
-Londo

[TheCotMan]

Re: Toxic BBQ 2013

Good news everyone! I just wanted to send out the message that the BBQ is on for this year and will be held in the same location. Things will be setup the same way and should all be taken care of so we are all ready to go!


And now for some bad news(or good news depending on who you are :P) this is my last year running the BBQ. For the last 10+ years I have had a blast making sure the coals are hot and the meat grills. The toxic BBQ has been my favorite part of Defcon where I made a lot of friends and cooked a lot of food but I really couldn't have done it without everyone that helped, participated, and came to the event. Watching the event grow into what it has become over the years is still amazing to me, watching people meet others that they never would have met at the con and actually get to spend time and hang out together will always be one of the things I will treasure about the event. My decision was a heavy one and although the BBQ means a lot to me I think it will benefit from some fresh blood while also allowing me to capture some free time back to perhaps create a new event, work on some creative projects that are still on the back burner, or even participate in the CTF again.

A good friend and counterpart accepted my offer to take over the BBQ and keep things going, he is a true friend and has helped me through the years get things setup and kept me going and has been instrumental in helping make sure the park is happy. Through the later years I have taken on the financial task of funding the BBQ with the aid of donations and been able to provide the space, supplies, and some of the general food to serve as the base layer so others can contribute at their leisure. I feel that this system works the best and have translated all of these details to my successor to help things continue to run smoothly. I am going to help him this year through the transition to make sure things still happen but look for his message shortly as I know he was waiting for me to post first, he’s a great person so please show him the respect and friendship you all have shown me through the years.

Thank you all again and looking forward to seeing everyone at con this year.
-Londo

This is great news!

in order to make sure information gets into the program, could you submit your info to:

http://defcne.net/ (I think info is due before May 25.)

It is new this year. One of Pyr0's people created this as a site for people planning to run contests, events or social gatherings. In order to make sure all these things can be in the program and are allocated resources at con (if they need them) this is a way to catch all of them, and help him, Neil and I synchronize our lists to have them match.

For the Toxic BBQ, the advantage to filling it out is getting a mention of it in the program, and on the main website page pointing to a forum for it.

Obviously, for an event like this, which takes place offsite, you can run it without getting info in, as that is how much of Defcon has worked in the past, but it would be nice to see mention of the Toxic BBQ in the program.

Thanks!
-Cot

[astcell]

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Can you post the location and time of event for the newbies?

[L0nd0]

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Can you post the location and time of event for the newbies?

Of course the BBQ is a good our usual space at the park is ours for the taking (Area F) - http://binged.it/OBQlL2


Area F is down by the number 13 field and the parking lot.

The start time will be the usual 3:30pm to 4pm and go till 10pm when the park closes.

[eris]

Re: Toxic BBQ 2013

This is great news!

in order to make sure information gets into the program, could you submit your info to:

http://defcne.net/ (I think info is due before May 25.)

It is new this year. One of Pyr0's people created this as a site for people planning to run contests, events or social gatherings. In order to make sure all these things can be in the program and are allocated resources at con (if they need them) this is a way to catch all of them, and help him, Neil and I synchronize our lists to have them match.

For the Toxic BBQ, the advantage to filling it out is getting a mention of it in the program, and on the main website page pointing to a forum for it.

Obviously, for an event like this, which takes place offsite, you can run it without getting info in, as that is how much of Defcon has worked in the past, but it would be nice to see mention of the Toxic BBQ in the program.

Thanks!
-Cot

If I remember correctly, Cotman, the BBQ has always been a well known but extremely unofficial event, not listed in the schedule for a reason. The one time it was, I recall specific incidents at the bbq wherein those who were under the impression it was a DEFCON sponsored event expressed large amounts of dismay at lack of food(when the prepurchased amount was eaten and not many had brought some to "donate"), lack of entertainment(because buying into defcon means "entertain me, bitches, im a customer!), general dissatisfaction of a person that "paid for the con, why should I donate at an event from the con?"

While those may have been the usual crop of bitching ass hats any event always gets it created a tension at the event that was uncomfortable for many and, quite frankly, infuriating for that were donating our time to the event as well. It was always easier, IMHO, to be able to say, "Hey asshat, this isnt a DEFCON event, its out of pocket for the organizers, you ate food they bought, toss $5 in the donation box and shut the fuck up."

Or "Hey did you have a beer? Did you like it? DEFCON didn't buy that beer, I did. How about a thank you at least?"

Of course, I get really hot and cranky out there, what with working so close to the grill helping keep the cooks cool, so maybe that's just me being mean. :D

[TheCotMan]

Re: Toxic BBQ 2013

If I remember correctly, Cotman, the BBQ has always been a well known but extremely unofficial event, not listed in the schedule for a reason. The one time it was, I recall specific incidents at the bbq wherein those who were under the impression it was a DEFCON sponsored event expressed large amounts of dismay at lack of food(when the prepurchased amount was eaten and not many had brought some to "donate"), lack of entertainment(because buying into defcon means "entertain me, bitches, im a customer!), general dissatisfaction of a person that "paid for the con, why should I donate at an event from the con?"

While those may have been the usual crop of bitching ass hats any event always gets it created a tension at the event that was uncomfortable for many and, quite frankly, infuriating for that were donating our time to the event as well. It was always easier, IMHO, to be able to say, "Hey asshat, this isnt a DEFCON event, its out of pocket for the organizers, you ate food they bought, toss $5 in the donation box and shut the fuck up."

Or "Hey did you have a beer? Did you like it? DEFCON didn't buy that beer, I did. How about a thank you at least?"

Of course, I get really hot and cranky out there, what with working so close to the grill helping keep the cooks cool, so maybe that's just me being mean. :D

Either way works for me. I can make a form for this either way. However, to get a link from the DC21 space to it, i think will require is be listed with Pyr0.

There have been some events in the past which had fourms and switched (by decision of organizers) to not have forums. Some of these have included "Quarks" and "Sushi-Con" because of the problems with people attending these, thinking they were DEF CON sponsored events, not pay-as-you-go, pay-your-own-way or pay-as-a-group-together.

The list with Pyr0 is for DEF CON resources. Events like this and the DC Shoot don't use DC resources, unless they want to be listed in the program, then that is a DEF CON resource and information is needed so it can be added to the program. Technically, the forums are also a DEF CON resource, but it would feel very "un-DEFCON-like" to tell these organizers of things that have happened before that they can't have a forum because they didn't submit paperwork. They are all unofficial, and grass-roots things, like hackBus, and other similar events or gatherings. Paperwork does not exist just to make people do things -- it should be to help organize things and make sure resources to be allocated are available, and can be allocated with planning. The days of being able to just setup a contest or event by finding a spare table, power and chairs is kind of gone... there isn't enough power, networking, and space for this like there once was for ad hoc contests. Limits to resources then push us to have people plan and organize allocation of resources, and aquisition of resources needed before con, like adequate power, networking, and tables, and a plan that does not upset the fire marshal and postpone the times when things can open. :-/

I support the decisions of the organizers of events... if they are unofficial and don't want to fill out the forms with Pyr0 and don't want a forum for it, I won't force one on them. However, if they fill out the form with Pyr0 and are approved, I will make a forum, even if it is not desired, so that it can contain links to resources the organizers want people to use. I can then set the forum "Read only" to prevent new posts, if that is desired, but I'll still make a forum.

Hope this helps,
-Cot

[eris]

Re: Toxic BBQ 2013

It was very informative!

[astcell]

Re: Toxic BBQ 2013

Saw this today, made me think of the Toxic BBQ:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/11c...544_image_11cd

[Gadsden]

Re: Toxic BBQ 2013

This makes me happy. I will of course help out in all ways possible (as with previous years).
(Hell, I logged into the forum for the first time in forever just to check if the BBQ was on!)

[Siviak]

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...Hell, I logged into the forum for the first time in forever just to check if the BBQ was on!

Same here. I hadn't logged in or posted in a while, but I couldn't not post after reading all of this.

thanks for everything you've done to keep the TBBQ going L0nd0!

[QA Ninja]

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It'd be my first time at Toxic BBQ, but I'm wondering if you need any help on the grill/prep for getting ready?

[Dallas]

Re: Toxic BBQ 2013

This is great, anything you need be sure to ask.

Either way works for me. I can make a form for this either way. However, to get a link from the DC21 space to it, i think will require is be listed with Pyr0.

There have been some events in the past which had fourms and switched (by decision of organizers) to not have forums. Some of these have included "Quarks" and "Sushi-Con" because of the problems with people attending these, thinking they were DEF CON sponsored events, not pay-as-you-go, pay-your-own-way or pay-as-a-group-together.

The list with Pyr0 is for DEF CON resources. Events like this and the DC Shoot don't use DC resources, unless they want to be listed in the program, then that is a DEF CON resource and information is needed so it can be added to the program. Technically, the forums are also a DEF CON resource, but it would feel very "un-DEFCON-like" to tell these organizers of things that have happened before that they can't have a forum because they didn't submit paperwork. They are all unofficial, and grass-roots things, like hackBus, and other similar events or gatherings. Paperwork does not exist just to make people do things -- it should be to help organize things and make sure resources to be allocated are available, and can be allocated with planning. The days of being able to just setup a contest or event by finding a spare table, power and chairs is kind of gone... there isn't enough power, networking, and space for this like there once was for ad hoc contests. Limits to resources then push us to have people plan and organize allocation of resources, and aquisition of resources needed before con, like adequate power, networking, and tables, and a plan that does not upset the fire marshal and postpone the times when things can open. :-/

I support the decisions of the organizers of events... if they are unofficial and don't want to fill out the forms with Pyr0 and don't want a forum for it, I won't force one on them. However, if they fill out the form with Pyr0 and are approved, I will make a forum, even if it is not desired, so that it can contain links to resources the organizers want people to use. I can then set the forum "Read only" to prevent new posts, if that is desired, but I'll still make a forum.

Hope this helps,
-Cot