Verizon Must Reveal Internet Song Swapper

[Chris]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp.../tech_music_dc

[converge]

Only 600 songs? What kind of mickeymouse broadband does he have?... oh! that's right... verizon. I remember picking off that many in a day.. on dialup years ago, when they came out with v90 and I got an ISP that supported it... granted, 128 was a supercool bitrate back then too, and a lot were only 96 or less..

Is it just me, or is there a new level of lame when it comes to piracy nowadays.. ever since that whole "N" thing in the late 90s.

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note to the readers: this is not intended to condone piracy! piracy is lame. this board does not condone piracy, nor do I. this is simply a recap of historical events of a person I knew, who at one time used to download mp3s before it was ethically questioned and attacked by RIAA. The second paragraph was not devised to contextually portray the activity as current and hip, but to express that "Napster" and it's latter p2p derivatives are simply lame

[blackwave]

what is an mp3?

I am just happy there is the usenet. The last time I used any p2p apps was when I first used a p2p app and noticed that it had ulterior motives.

I was at virgin tower this weekend and noticed that I couldn't find a damn cd with music I enjoy listening to. I asked for help and they just said that I would have to look around until I found it, and that is if they had them (they didn't bother to check)... so I said fine... in the end I found some, and plenty of what I sought (industrial/goth)... though it wasn't at virgin tower, and there sure as hell wasn't an import fee stamped on it...

note: this board and its members do not condone, promote, or support piracy in any form, or fashion.. the above characters have had their names altered to protect the innocent. The above post is pure fiction and any similarities to any entity is pure coincidence....

[russ]

Yeah, if you download pirated music... you do it on your own accord and at your own risk. ;-)

Everyone knows the rules. Unfortunately, it's going to be a rough game to play for the music industry.

[jetforce4004]

if you like a song you hear on the radio just tape it. Theres no way to track that. I do not tape songs of the radio

[blackwave]

Originally posted by jetforce4004
if you like a song you hear on the radio just tape it. Theres no way to track that. I do not tape songs of the radio

<scooby sound/> Hhhmmmrpph? what is a radio? what is tape? sounds very analog in this digital age...

[converge]

Back in the day, downloading mp3 was about as lame as downloading divx/telesync videos is today. The quality sucked, you may have downloaded it because you wanted to check out a new CD before buying it, or whatnot... but if you really liked it, there really was no option but to buy it, or suffer with an imitation of the real thing.

However, the same mass bandwidth that allows the movie hype has allowed for trading full quality audio. I can understand RIAAs trouble now.. the MPAA isn't threatened until bandwidth grows enough to eliminate the shitty quality downloads... to the point where people stop buying the DVD. Seriously... are you going to archive a cheesy divx low bitrate, low res copy of Pulp Fiction, or are you gonna go buy it for it's fulness? My guess is that the ones who stick with divx would not have purchased the material anyway.

Another note: This is not kissing RIAA or MPAA ass... I personally hate them and think they are stupid. This is also not promoting piracy in any form.. just discussing it, if not in a theoretical perspective. For extended piracy tips, they are on sale at http://www.amazon.com

[kallahar]

prices

That's true, but as long as the prices of DVD's are high, people will be more willing to illegally copy them. For example, I had the urge to watch Black Hawk Down. The DVD: $25. Downloading off Kazaa: 3 hours. The Kazaa file was a DVD rip and looked excellent. Sure, I would have preferred the DVD version, but at $25? No way.

Of course, I could have always rented...

Kallahar

[blackwave]

Re: prices

Originally posted by kallahar
That's true, but as long as the prices of DVD's are high, people will be more willing to illegally copy them. For example, I had the urge to watch Black Hawk Down. The DVD: $25. Downloading off Kazaa: 3 hours. The Kazaa file was a DVD rip and looked excellent. Sure, I would have preferred the DVD version, but at $25? No way.

Of course, I could have always rented...

Kallahar

I have backed up a few DVDs in my day using Dr Mercury's SVCD/VCD kit which is the best kit out there for this type of job... and let me tell you that on a 650MHZ celeron with ~200MB ram and a 40G HD it took well over 24 hours to rip it, nip it and get it to SVCD quality with some nice sound, synched and all.... that is 24 hours with a machine... This was all for experience to see if it was worth it... let me tell you it isn't... this is something some kid that has nothing better to do than be a courier for pirated software...
The best things I like about DVD's is all the nice extra stuff, the deleted scenes everyone and their mom's commentaries... for example try getting a decent SVCD of LoTR 4 DVD set... that would take forever to rip, forever to download, forever to reassemble... all for saving 40 dollars.. no thank you... and if it something I REALLY like I am more than happy to give my green in hopes that more will be made. Paying for quality makes a difference. If you just want to watch something to get the gist of the movie and not bother going to the theater then a screener mpeg could suffice... but if you plan on entertaining guests with your home movie theater with a crappy cd that is something else.

[ch0l0man]

Re: prices

Originally posted by kallahar
That's true, but as long as the prices of DVD's are high, people will be more willing to illegally copy them. For example, I had the urge to watch Black Hawk Down. The DVD: $25. Downloading off Kazaa: 3 hours. The Kazaa file was a DVD rip and looked excellent. Sure, I would have preferred the DVD version, but at $25? No way.

i paid only $12 for my copy of BHD at blockbuster its used but if anything is wrong with it you have 30 days to return it.

naw i dont like P2P and havent used it since napster and the only reason i used it at that point was cause i wasnt able to find and buy alot of music from the 30s-60s that i was looking for.
and you know us chicanos we love oldies :)

[simple3]

It only takes me about four hours to backup a DVD to divx format on my P3 550, it come out in reasonable quality. On my 2GHz in about four hours I can dual pass a DVD in a really good quality setting. I only rip DVDs I own. I do it so I can put them onto 120 GB external hard drive and play them on my laptop when I go on trips.

Piracy is bad. BAD I say. And if you pirate anything you are bad.

Now who likes to be a little naughty?

--simple3

[ch0l0man]

Originally posted by simple3

Piracy is bad. BAD I say. And if you pirate anything you are bad.

Now who likes to be a little naughty?

--simple3

i think everyone pirates something, unless you never ever, got a recording, (cassette, vhs, etc.) from your friends\family.

[converge]

There is a difference between making a copy of a CD, and copying thousands of CDs that you never intend to purchase.

If you figure in the time taken to rip and encode a DVD, the fact that it is NOT the same quaility (period!), the cost of the media you burn it to or the drive space required to store it... it's easier and cheaper to go out and buy the damned thing

Now, I dunno where you're buying Black Hawk Down for $25, but you need to find a different point of purchase. I only spend $25 - 30 on a season set of something. btw... wtf is up with STNG costing $100 a season anyways? The fact that you can't find the media for cheaper does not change the ethic behind copying something.

Why the fuss... well, my own ethic would dictate differently.. as I believe that anything information based should be freely exchangeable as long as ) profit is not made off of someone elses work ) credit is always given to the originator... (please don't bring up used-item stores, totally different subject) just because you can rip a copy of Antitrust, doesn't mean you made it. HOWEVER, THIS IS NOT REALITY. The government and society will live as a part of (at least those of us in the US) dictates that this is wrong. Copyright laws are devised to protect property... Bill Gates fought to make his code part of that protection, and not enough people objected to stop it. Live with it, or help lobby changes to the laws.

[murakami]

I know someone who downloaded LoTR at their job while working over a weekend. Warner Brothers tracked down the IP, called the laywers in, and they were shown the door by Wednesday. That was a pretty expensive $25 DVD.

[Soybomb]

Originally posted by 0versight
This probably means other ISPs are going to have more security for customers to keep these pathetic Companies from "tracking" music downloaders.
ISPs do not want to stop these people downloading music, Some people buy Broadband solely to download music, the business of broadband has boomed since music is up for download now provided by KaZaA, imesh, etc. They would lose alot of customers if they restricted it.
One other thing, is there some kind of link or can anyone tell me HOW these people are tracking music downloaders? Im kinda curious as how they're going about to do it.

Its not even as much about people buying broadband as it is about staying profitable. I think its safe to say most isps operate on pretty thin profit margins as it is. Once you set a prescedent of monitoring users for one activity you open yourself up to another. If you help prevent people from downloading music or help the music industry track them (without a subpoena for that information) you're then asking for the MPAA, BSA, etc to be demanding assistance next. All of that means more equipment and more people to deal with the new work.