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I know this isnt related to Defcon or hacking but i figured this would be a good place to ask this. Is my MCSE worth my time and money? With the economy in a slump I figure any edge will be good so I was wondering if any of you guys/gals had your MCSE or have any opinions on it.
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I know around 6 MCSE's on a personal and professional level. Currently it isn't helping them in any way, form or fashion. One reason could be because they are skill-less and rely on a piece of paper to sustain a career in the technical field... If you have the skills, the piece of paper certainly doesn't hurt...Originally posted by EeeekPenguins
I know this isnt related to Defcon or hacking but i figured this would be a good place to ask this. Is my MCSE worth my time and money? With the economy in a slump I figure any edge will be good so I was wondering if any of you guys/gals had your MCSE or have any opinions on it. -
I second that..: Grifter :.
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If you have the MCSE with no experience, I can get you $10/hr job. If you have experience and no MCSE I can get you $30/hr. If you have them both I cannot get you $40/hr., so the experience is worth more. I did MCSE school for one reason, because I wanted to. If you go in order to make more money, you will be seriously disappointed!Comment
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mcse=must.consult.someone.else =] my old cisco teacher told me that=], as far as i can tell degrees are the way to go now, the certs just arent enough wether its cisco, mcse or any of the better known certs.ARRR!Comment
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bah
so.. I have had the MCSE for ever.. 3.5-4.0, and a bunch of other minor certs in between. I do NOT have a degree other than an AAS in Electronics (that is not computer related).
What I do have is over 10 years getting PAID and working in the computer field. It is this experience that gets me paid.
I believe that higher education is good for those with time and money to burn, me... I started at the bottom, and learned all the way up. A six year degree would have only been a waste of 6 years of potential work experience, and the creation of debt for the cost of school.
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Well here is my plan, Go to college and get a degree in computer science and hopefully in the process get my MCSE, mainly something to fall back on. My passion is to become a security analyst or to script security and firewall software. Thanks for the info and help everyone.The penguin is watching.
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hmm , thats good technoweenie, though in my experience and the people i know, that sort of thing rarely happens, could just be the area, or specific feild i guess.ARRR!Comment
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i'm planing to take computer science in coledge too and then getting some kind of computer job of what yet i'm not sureComment
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Make sure you take spelling 101 in coledge while you're there too.Originally posted by jetforce4004
i'm planing to take computer science in coledge too and then getting some kind of computer job of what yet i'm not sureperl -e 'print pack(c5, (41*2), sqrt(7056), (unpack(c,H)-2), oct(115), 10)'Comment
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These days, paper of just about any sort bears little weight. Employers are tired of getting unskilled workers, and have realised that the best measure of skill is experience. Of course, this is a catch-22. How do you get experience if you can't get a job? In those cases, certs and degrees give you some measure of credibility in an entry level position. Don't expect a considerable salary simply because you have a piece of paper, though... these are seen as tools to gain credibility for people who otherwise have nothing noteworthy on their resume.
In both the cases of a cert and a degree, employers are well aware that it doesn't guarantee a quality employee. While a degree might weigh a little more heavily, as it shows a willingness to see something through to completion, neither document guarantees any sort of skill. A cert shows you can regurgitate information for a test. A degree says you were able to bluff your way through several years of theoretical-knowledge courses... even if you learned something, it's not necessarily directly applicable in the workplace. Both will get you an entry level position without experience, because both give the employer someone who will need extensive training and direct supervision.the fresh princess of 1338
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It IS good for getting past the HR jackasses that screen for buzzwords (MCSE, CNE, ETC), if you want to work for a place that has that school of thought for fishing in the talent pool. Degrees are good for getting you past the "glass ceiling" you may hit in pay/promotion. All these will help out and won't hurt you at all.. but I have to agree with TW.. THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR EXPERIANCE!Happiness is a belt-fed weapon.Comment
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My experience is that education is the first thing looked at in most places. I did one have one interview where the guy told me flat out in the first 10 minutes he wanted someone with different skills for the position but we sat and talked for another 30 minutes or so and in the course of things he said they really don't care about education level. They seem to be the excepetion to the rule though, so get a BS/BA.
Experience is very important too, if you get work part time in your field while working on your degree that should be a big help. But show that you can do what you're studying and what you say you can do.
Certs are icing on the cake, if you have the degree and the experience they might help you get a pay boost or be desirable, but without both of the others or at least lots of experience they seem to be pretty worthless.
And MCSE? You WANT to work on windows boxen? ;)
Thats just what I had seen in my area during my recent job hunt, maybe its different in other places."I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it. -Voltaire"Comment
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I know of a few firms that leave MCSE off of their qualifications list because lately this has been lowering the value of consultants. I have met people with an MCSE that don't know how to fix a windows print queue. They are too easy to get, and because of that, they have lost their practical value. From what I hear up hear most companies now are looking for degrees combined with experience, but the emphasis is on degrees, not on certs. There are a few certs worth getting. Right now I don't think MCSE is one of them.
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What certs would you suggest then?Originally posted by simple3
I know of a few firms that leave MCSE off of their qualifications list because lately this has been lowering the value of consultants. I have met people with an MCSE that don't know how to fix a windows print queue. They are too easy to get, and because of that, they have lost their practical value. From what I hear up hear most companies now are looking for degrees combined with experience, but the emphasis is on degrees, not on certs. There are a few certs worth getting. Right now I don't think MCSE is one of them.
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