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  • Daemon - Chapters 1 - 7

    For on pace reading for this book, I will be breaking out threads into Chapters 1 -7, 7-14, 14-21, until chapter 45. In this thread we will discuss things that come up in these chapters, provide updates with each other, ask unique chapter related questions, comment if we need help understanding something, or mention something that sticks out to you. Please do not spoil content that does not fit within the labeled chapters of this thread, please take that to the "Spoilers & Free Discussion" thread.

    Thanks,
    Nikita




    "Haters, gonna hate"

  • #2
    Heard about the book club on the twitters and thought it might be fun to try out. I totally see Nikita’s point about the theme of discovery and picking something off the beaten path. That said maybe I could get into some, ahem, light reading considering all the serious shit happening right now. I knew this book was gonna be pulpy but wow I was not prepared for this. I dunno if I can keep reading this tbh but I’m trying my best to reserve judgement for now. These characters seem so cliche and one dimensional. The mention of every car brand as shorthand in lieu of backstory or character development. The casual misogyny / totally weird and unnecessary rape scene. Unrealistic hacker / IT porn. Surprising? No not at all but I’m hoping the plot thickens substantially if I’m going to keep reading this.

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    • #3
      deleted original comments - I am about 12 chapters into this book and I think I am done. I'll try again with the June selection.
      Last edited by csh98036; April 6, 2020, 00:55. Reason: My comments weren't going to add anything to the conversation so I deleted them.

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      • Dark Tangent
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        What didn't work for you?

    • #4
      I first read this when it first came out over a decade ago, and I think it is important to keep the fact it is over 10 years old in context as we read the novel. Given this is just discussing the first 7 chapters, I'd say there are several interesting key things that happened.

      1) . We've been introduced to four primary characters. A detective investigating a bizarre murder case, A technology consultant with something to hide (he's been providing a fake address). A bad guy. A lifestyle television journalist who has just been fired.

      2) . We've been introduced to this concept of automating murder via networks and control systems after someone dies. This is an interesting premise and the allure of the book, especially in the context of the decade in which it was written. How much complexity could you introduce into a "script" or series of automated events after you've passed away. That to me is the hook here. What will a dead guy be able to do from here?

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      • Nikita
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        thanks :-)

      • blinkingthing
        blinkingthing commented
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        Agreed that the posthumous automations are one of the most interesting things in the book so far. On my first read I wasn’t aware of how much automation exists in the world let alone the possibility of scripting these types of events after death.

    • #5
      I'm about to start this book! Thanks for the suggestion!

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      • #6
        Well, I really hope that having the majority of a chapter dedicated to following a character raping a minor and distributing CP serves a meaningful purpose in the storyline.

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        • #7
          I believe the author is trying to demonstrate that this character is rooted in evil. Was using rape as the pretext for that character dimension was necessary? I don't think so, but we can certainly revisit that as the story progresses. He wouldn't be the first early author writing under a pen name to make the mistake of using egregious content unnecessarily.

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          • #8
            I have had to restart a few times because I've fallen asleep. When I get the time, It's usually after working and chasing the kids around the house. I'm so far behind, but I pulled a muscle in my back yesterday and so I guess I have some "sitting on my ass" time where I'm not in charge of the house of kids and multitasking, so I hope to catch up today. I'm just gonna skip the icky stuff if it's not relevant to the plot.
            "Haters, gonna hate"

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            • #9
              He was the kid you didn’t notice because you were sick of looking at him.
              Given the scene in chapter 4, fuck this guy, I AM sick of looking at him. I know it was said that it was in order to establish this person is a piece of shit, I just hope he doesn't become an "endearing piece of shit" later on like some sort of redemption.

              So, now that we know about the ending of Chapter 7 and the main premise revealed... if you could -if-that-then-this a chain of positive events upon your death, what would you do?

              I would want to send gifts to my loved ones on their birthday.















              "Haters, gonna hate"

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              • #10
                It was interesting reading Daemon and the Ready Player One when they both came out. For a while there I thought there was a new genre emerging, "dead tech guy plans afterlife adventures" but I haven't seen anything since.

                Of the two I'm not sure which is more plausible. 🤔
                PGP key: dtangent@defcon.org valid 2020 Jan 15, to 2024 Jan 01 Fingerprint: BC5B CD9A C609 1B6B CD81 9636 D7C6 E96C FE66 156A

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                • #11
                  I found out about the book club via twitter, and signed up just to post about this book because it's been on my list to read for several years. When I saw the announcement it was the chosen book for the book club I quickly finished the book I was in the middle of and grabbed a copy. I've had several friends suggest this book along with Neuromancer and 1984, and I figured it was finally ready to knock one of these books off the list.

                  Since it seems most of the other posts on here are taking a negative view of the book I'd like to give a positive one for newcomers thinking of starting this book. So far I'm on chapter 14 and the book has kept me entertained the entire way through. This book has suspense, mystery, with an over all cyberpunk hacker/gamer feeling to it and if you're a fan of any of those cultures you'll enjoy this book.

                  There is some "realistic" hacking done in the book which I really enjoy, Gragg one of the bad guys in the book is introduced by hacking into a office using a directional antenna from a building across the way using default credentials, pivoting, and using exploits to escalate his privileges. This reminded me of the way Albert Gonzalez hacked TJ Maxx and various other small companies to install malware that read credit card numbers (see the book Kingpin: How One Hacker Took Over the Billion-Dollar Cybercrime Underground). I really enjoy when I can draw a parallel from hacking in books to real life examples. While the books might not get everything right, if you use your imagination and "fill in the gaps" or fix the wording that the book uses I think most hackers can understand what the author is trying to get across. This book so far has been fairly on point with several of the technological aspects in it.

                  We're starting to see a game be involved in the main story too which has undertones of a Ready Player One story line. I've only watched the movie but I enjoyed it and am excited to see how that changes the dynamic of this book.

                  I hope this helps someone else pick this book up and read with us!

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                  • Nikita
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                    I really enjoyed ready player one. Thanks for your post! Keep them coming, I like hearing your perspective, and you're right positive feedback is a good thing.

                • #12
                  I just ordered the book and can't wait to get involved in the discusison. I know I am probably several weeks behind but I will catch up quickly.

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                  • Nikita
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                    It's all good, we're reading at our own pace, I look forward to having you join us.
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