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  • #16
    1 - Yes
    2 - We won't collect or store any PII
    3 - We are a private event, so we can currently set our own standards. If a law forces us to allow people to not wear masks we would cancel the event
    PGP key: dtangent@defcon.org valid 2020 Jan 15, to 2024 Jan 01 Fingerprint: BC5B CD9A C609 1B6B CD81 9636 D7C6 E96C FE66 156A

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    • lex-LOU-thor
      lex-LOU-thor commented
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      Understood - respectfully disagree. I fully understand you are a private event. No qualms there - just wanted to make sure I understood your mandates. Respectfully - I just lost my stomach for the event in total. I respect your decision - but given the issues with vaccines (note - I am NOT an anti-vaxer) - I have been taking a wait and see attitude since there has not been sufficient testing of the vaccines (since the processes were condense from 18 to 24 months to about 9). The numbers don't add up for me (IMHO - and this is just for me). I hope you all have a good conference and learn lots.

  • #17
    And thank you for your honest replies. Oh by the way - the loss of interest is for this year we'll see what happens given the context of future years - no one ever required my yellow vaccination card before within my own country. And question 2 was more about the process of validation, than collection or storage. Was wondering what evidence was going to be required.

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    • Dark Tangent
      Dark Tangent commented
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      Thanks for the follow up. Yes it is a global vaccination experiment, and what people learn now will be used for the next inevitable pandemic. My guess is that the mRNA process is so much faster and precise that it will be come the dominant technology.

      Absolutely don't travel or feel pressured to attend if you are not comfortable. Next year see what happens!

      To answer your question we are requiring whatever the original vaccination card you were given at the completion of your shot(s). We know people can counterfeit them, but that is a crime in the States and you would still be required to wear a mask.

    • Charspar
      Charspar commented
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      Can we either take a picture of our vaccine card or put it in Clear app for scanning?

  • #18
    Greetings. DEF CON is a private event, so I fully support your right to set whatever arbitrary requirements you want for admittance.

    At the same time, I lament some of the choices made this year, which seem arbitrarily restrictive, based on an insupportable level of trust in government, and contrary to the individual empowerment of the hacker ethic.

    Also, this years restrictions exclude myself and my family from participating in person. We had been looking forward to returning physically to our hacking home for an extra year, and are quite sorry to have to participate only virtually again this year. Just had to cancel our room reservations - which really hurt. Hope some sanity returns next year, so that we can as well. Miss you all.

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    • #19
      Originally posted by bitpusher View Post
      Also, this years restrictions exclude myself and my family from participating in person. We had been looking forward to returning physically to our hacking home for an extra year, and are quite sorry to have to participate only virtually again this year. Just had to cancel our room reservations - which really hurt. Hope some sanity returns next year, so that we can as well. Miss you all.
      I'm going to take a stab at it, but it sounds like this will be another one of those venues that doesn't really care about physical limitations. It was hard enough to breathe before I got COVID in 2020, and my lungs only got worse after that. I was one of the first to get fully vaccinated, avoided going out, and have a rescue inhaler. It's still hard to wear a mask for any period of time, and the inhaler only works for so long.

      It's easy to go "oh, just wear a mask all the time in public", but I find that the people saying that are almost always coming from a position of health and privilege. One thing the pandemic demonstrated was how many businesses and cities were willing to pay lip service to "except those with medical exemptions", but when the rubber hit the road they didn't care, regardless of documentation.

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      • #20
        I am coordinating a few people from my team going and I had a guy that got turned away from an international cruise because his vaccine paper was laminated. I want to make sure since my company is paying for the trip that I personally verify everything is legit and gtg prior to travel. If that is the case could they print out the paperwork that is stored from the providers EHR program that has their vaccination record and I believe CA also has a document that you can download incase you lost your card from this site. https://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov/

        My concern is different states may have different ways to provide evidence of vaccination and will your staff be trained to review it or will there be a potential to run into issues.

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        • Dark Tangent
          Dark Tangent commented
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          That should be fine. Whatever your health provider or state vaccination provided you with as a record.

      • #21
        This may have been posted somewhere, but do we need to pre-register for workshops and/or villages this year?

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      • #22
        Originally posted by gavin@tor View Post
        do we need to pre-register for workshops and/or villages this year?
        workshop reg is open Tuesday, July 6. They go FAST.

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        • #23
          It looks like you can still add an in-person badge to your cart and check out at shop.defcon.org. Does this mean we can still purchase tickets online instead of @linecon?

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          • number6
            number6 commented
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            I am not authoritative for decisions made with https://shop.defcon.org/ , but I think in-person badges are still available for sale through https://shop.defcon.org/ for now, as of Jul 12, 2021. This could change any moment. I don't control when sales of in-person badges or any items on https://shop.defcon.org/ ends. It is possible online sales of in-person badges could end on the 15th, or when some limit is reached, or once virtual badges finish being shipped or some other day soon. I don't control when online sales of badges will end.

            Please read the details of the purchase on https://shop.defcon.org before buying:
            https://shop.defcon.org/products/def-con-29 (some of these items listed as of July 13, 2021)
            "
            * Your badge must be picked up on site.
            * Your badge also comes with a code that unlocks the "Human Plus" role on the DEF CON Discord Server. The DEF CON Discord is host to the online portion of DEF CON 29 and various other DEF CON Online Events during the rest of the year.
            * You will need to show proof of vaccination to collect your badge.
            * You will be required to wear a mask while on the conference floor.
            * human+ code given AT DC29 Registration

            If you initiate a refund, before July 5th, the processing fee of $19.40 + $45.00 will be subtracted from your refund.
            If you need to change to an online-only badge. You'll need to initiate a refund.
            Badge purchases are not refundable after July 5th.
            "

            Also stated elsewhere, to attend in-person, for COVID-19 pandemic precaution, you need to wear a mask that helps protect you and others from infections, and have proof of vaccination with you to gain entry and be part of in-person DEF CON.
            Last edited by number6; July 13, 2021, 21:02.

          • Dark Tangent
            Dark Tangent commented
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            Yes but hurry, we will close on-line registration before the event.

        • #24
          Much appreciated for the replies, ticket purchased!

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          • #25
            Is there a set date for when registration will end for in person badges?

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            • number6
              number6 commented
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              As of July 15, 2021 at 1:55pm Pacific time, I've not heard any set date yet, just "soon" and "any time now"

              I've also heard that when online-sales of in-person badge will stop could become a set date, and proposals for different set dates, and proposals to end online sale on in-person badges based on some count of badges sold.

              Proposals are not decisions.

              However, I have not heard any decision like "After $criteria online sales of in-person badges will end."

              When I visit https://shop.defcon.org/products/def-con-29 the only date I see about sale of badges is in these:
              "DEF CON 29 in-person badge return window has closed (July 5th)"
              "If you initiate a refund, before July 5th, the processing fee of $19.40 + $45.00 will be subtracted from your refund. "
              "Badge purchases are not refundable after July 5th. "

          • #26
            Originally posted by XoxKristinxoX View Post
            Is there a set date for when registration will end for in person badges?
            We have an official answer as of the morning of July 20, 2021 (Pacific Time)
            URL1 = https://twitter.com/defcon/status/1417493951032881152
            Originally posted by URL1
            Notice for #defcon29 in-person attendees: Online registration closes July 29. That's your last chance to buy a guaranteed badge.After that it's cash at the door, but please know that we’ve only got about 1,000 spaces for cash customers.
            URL2 = https://twitter.com/defcon/status/1417493952832233473
            Originally posted by URL2
            To be certain you get in, online reg by the 29th is your best bet. We don’t want to turn anyone away but we will once we reach capacity. Please consider pre-reg at http://shop.defcon.org if you don't want to YOLO it at the door. *Masks and proof of vax remain 100% required.
            So now you all have a date. As of July 20, 2021, online purchase of in-person badges for DEF CON 29 on https://shop.defcon.org/ end on July 29.
            Unlike past years, there is a cap on total people allowed to buy a badge in-person.
            1,000 spaces is the limit for people that want to gamble for a chance at those 1,000 entries to con available for purchase with cash in-person for in-person DEF CON.
            Last edited by number6; July 20, 2021, 17:29.
            6: "Who is Number1?"
            2: "You are number6"
            6: "I am not a number!..."

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            • #27
              I am unable to locate the exact answer to my question so I am posting it here. When proving that we have been vaccinated, do we need to provide the physical vaccination cards that were handed out to us at the time of injection or a copy/photo? There is also an app used in my state that we were able to input our information so government "entities" could quickly indicate that were vaccinated. So, which format is what is required?

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              • #28
                Originally posted by Cyph3r View Post
                I am unable to locate the exact answer to my question so I am posting it here. When proving that we have been vaccinated, do we need to provide the physical vaccination cards that were handed out to us at the time of injection or a copy/photo? There is also an app used in my state that we were able to input our information so government "entities" could quickly indicate that were vaccinated. So, which format is what is required?
                From: URL1=https://www.reddit.com/r/Defcon/comm...ional/h4ztvc5/
                Originally posted by URL1
                DTangent
                You will need to bring whatever your health authority / provider gave you when you were vaccinated + your State issued ID to check against. We don’t record the details of your ID.
                Then a user asks:
                URL2=https://www.reddit.com/r/Defcon/comm...ional/h50880q/
                Originally posted by URL2
                kamic
                Can we bring a photocopy of our vaccination card? I feel uncomfortable bringing the original
                To which there is a reply:
                URL3=https://www.reddit.com/r/Defcon/comm...ional/h50k71a/
                Originally posted by URL3
                DTangent
                Please bring the original, we can’t negotiate with everyone for something different.
                If you have both an online proof and paper-form proof, the original paper-form proof (by context of discussion) is almost certainly the best choice.

                Paper-form will probably be faster. Any corner-cases like electronic-only are at greater risk for problems or delays. The possible variations on electronic format are so great, we may not have applications or service to check every electronic proof of vaccination. I'd expect some electronic proof systems require entities complete a process to get approval for access, or may use proprietary formats, or protocols or restrictive access denying us access to view records. I can visualize cases where a non-US entity requires a phone call to setup access, then requires a "business ID" or "citizen ID" or "member ID" which we don't have as non-citizens or non-members of that entity. I can also guess there is risk for GEO-IP denial for access to us outside of that entities service region. I'm not saying electronic proof will be denied or if electronic proof will be accepted: I don't set policy. I am saying that between paper-form and electronic, paper-form has been explicitly mentioned as what to use. You will probably have an easier time with paper-form.


                HTH
                Last edited by number6; July 21, 2021, 18:29.
                6: "Who is Number1?"
                2: "You are number6"
                6: "I am not a number!..."

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