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  • wardriving - how not to argue about something you cannot fathom.

    Thought some of you may be interested in this. Happened where I am, Toronto.
    A bizarre story of a wireless Internet connection and a half naked man has resulted in the arrest of a child pornography suspect. It happened early Wednesday morning, when a cop spotted a car going the wrong way down a one-way street.

    When he stopped the driver, the officer was in for a surprise. The man inside was naked from the waist down and was downloading images from a laptop of a young girl performing a sex act from the file sharing program Kazaa. He was accessing the Internet from a wireless connection, being transmitted by an unsuspecting computer owner in the neighbourhood.

    The suspect was arrested and police immediately obtained a search warrant for his home. They discovered a cache of what police call “hundreds of thousands” of child porn images stored on 10 P.C.s and CDs, along with evidence that he’d been making contact with young girls in chatrooms.

    Thirty-six year-old Walter Nowakowski from Delhi, Ontario, is facing a number of child porn charges and at least one that cops believe is unique - it’s the first time anyone has faced theft of telecommunications charges because of a wireless Internet signal. He’ll be in Old City Hall court Monday.

    In the meantime, police are warning Internet users to lock down their wireless connections – because anyone with a computer and the proper equipment can take advantage of the signal.

  • #2
    The lesser problem with this is that the media is once again associating the term wardriving with theft of service, and in turn the public who doesnt know anything about wardriving does also. All this is is bad press for the wardriving community.

    Another article is here: http://www.680news.com/news/local/ar...21_165005_4000
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    • #3
      Originally posted by ripshy
      The lesser problem with this is that the media is once again associating the term wardriving with theft of service, and in turn the public who doesnt know anything about wardriving does also. All this is is bad press for the wardriving community.
      How is obtaining Internet access illicitly through someone else's wireless network *not* theft of service? If someone doesn't lock their front door that doesn't give you the right to go inside their house, use their bathroom, and watch their TV...
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      • #4
        Originally posted by bascule
        How is obtaining Internet access illicitly through someone else's wireless network *not* theft of service? If someone doesn't lock their front door that doesn't give you the right to go inside their house, use their bathroom, and watch their TV...

        You are missing the point. It IS theft of service. It is NOT WarDriving. WarDriving!=Criminal Activity.

        As ripshy pointed out, the media is associating WarDriving, a benign, non-criminal act, with Theft of Service, certainly a criminal act.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by bascule
          How is obtaining Internet access illicitly through someone else's wireless network *not* theft of service? If someone doesn't lock their front door that doesn't give you the right to go inside their house, use their bathroom, and watch their TV...
          You seem to have the wrong idea about what wardriving is. To quote blackwave:
          Originally posted by blackwave
          What wardriving is NOT:
          wardriving is NOT illegal or unlawful in any form or fashion in the United States.
          wardriving is NOT about theft of services.
          wardriving is NOT about unauthorized access.
          wardriving is NOT a crime!
          What wardriving is:
          Originally posted by blackwave
          wardriving v. The benign act of locating and logging wireless access points while in motion.
          Also, there is a problem with the analogy of leaving the door of your house unlocked in relation to wardriving. A better one would be that you leave your house unfenced, and someone comes up and puts a flyer on your door. Your house being an unsecured AP, and the flyer being a spot on your AP's logs. Did that person break the law? Hell no.

          EDIT: Chris beat me to it.
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          • #6
            you know, the news people should stick to reporting on jacko and lay off wardriving entirely... they seem to have problems understanding simple concepts that are rather benign...

            In the meantime, police are warning Internet users to lock down their wireless connections – because anyone with a computer and the proper equipment can take advantage of the signal.
            Nice... behind as usual ... had they possed any type of brain power they would have been checking out WWWD FAQ
            http://www.worldwidewardrive.org/faq.html

            What is the WorldWide WarDrive?
            The WorldWide WarDrive is an effort by security professionals and hobbyists to generate awareness of the need by individual users and companies to secure their access points. The goal of the WorldWide WarDrive (or WWWD) is to provide a statistical analysis of the many access points that are currently deployed.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ripshy
              What wardriving is:
              Originally posted by blackwave
              wardriving v. The benign act of locating and logging wireless access points while in motion.
              Okay, by those semantics, wardriving is not illegal. I'll merely relegate wardriving without theft-of-service intent to the single lamest activity in the history of mankind...
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              • #8
                Originally posted by bascule
                I'll merely relegate wardriving without theft-of-service intent to the single lamest activity in the history of mankind...
                Them be fightin words, Mr.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ripshy
                  Them be fightin words, Mr.
                  You know, that was a bit harsh, and probably incorrect... the single lamest activity in the history of mankind is starting threads like these:

                  http://forum.defcon.org/showthread.php?t=2830
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bascule
                    Okay, by those semantics, wardriving is not illegal. I'll merely relegate wardriving without theft-of-service intent to the single lamest activity in the history of mankind...

                    Don't be a douche. If you don't understand what WarDriving is, that's ok. But if you want to try to attribute WarDriving to something it's not then I am gonna get quite pissy with you.

                    WarDriving is an outstanding tool that security folks can use to both promote a general awareness of security issues, and determine any rouge APs on their own network.

                    Don't sullly the name of WarDriving with your narrow minded media influenced drivel that has no basis in fact.

                    In short...shape up or fuck off.
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                    • #11
                      Don't sullly the name of WarDriving with your narrow minded media influenced drivel that has no basis in fact.
                      Not that I am envolved in the wardriving scene ;)

                      I think Chris has made his views on media+wardriving very clear. I see wardriving as quicky become the next big mislabel, as hacker was once a term for those that pushed things, it has now come to represent broad ammounts of things.

                      kay, by those semantics, wardriving is not illegal. I'll merely relegate wardriving without theft-of-service intent to the single lamest activity in the history of mankind...
                      okey, now let me make this clear, becuase I have spent alot of my time working on the wwwd project, and it has a purpose, it raises awareness about why someone should secure an ap. It is mearly a hobby, some people collect buttons, others wardrive. I have heard people say before, it is "very easy" to do, which it is, it takes no acual skill, just something people do in thier spare time.
                      ~:CK:~
                      I would like to meet a 1 to keep my 0 company.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by bascule
                        I'll merely relegate wardriving without theft-of-service intent to the single lamest activity in the history of mankind...
                        um wardriving does not concern theft-of-service intent whatsoever... you cannot add modifers to something that cannot be modified.

                        Feel free to give your opinions that wireless activity that does not involve theft of services is a waste of time for you... of course that is your opinion, and you are bascule.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Chris
                          Don't be a douche. If you don't understand what WarDriving is, that's ok. But if you want to try to attribute WarDriving to something it's not then I am gonna get quite pissy with you.
                          I think you misunderstood my comment. I wasn't saying wardriving inherently implies an intent to steal service, I was simply saying that wardriving without intent to steal service is... lame. That's probably a statement you disagree with, but please don't misconstrue my words...

                          (ed: I should probably have been smart enough to realize that wardriving is something of a sacred cow around here...)
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bascule
                            I wasn't saying wardriving inherently implies an intent to steal service, I was simply saying that wardriving without intent to steal service is... lame. That's probably a statement you disagree with, but please don't misconstrue my words...
                            you are speaking backwards since you are misconstruing the definition itself... wardriving does not concern theft of services whatsoever... got that ? therefore you cannot modify your statement by saying that (definition) minus (something that does not exist ) = (your opinion)... hopefully such visualization will help un-misconstrue yourself. :)

                            Originally posted by bascule
                            (ed: I should probably have been smart enough to realize that wardriving is something of a sacred cow around here...)
                            yes... you should but some motherfuckers are always trying to iceskate uphill...

                            bascule thank you for making a fine example of the ignorance that blackens the world... I only thought media-heads were able to be as stupid.... thread closed for archival and reference.

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                            • #15
                              Personaly, I think ya'll should just back off bascule a bit. I think both sides here are taking each others statements out of context and way too seriously. You wardriving folks are starting to sound like BSD/linux zealots. For the most part, Bascule posts intelligent threads and has intelligent conversation, well usualy till he gets pulled into our juvenille name calling and such.

                              I return whatever i wish . Its called FREEDOWM OF RANDOMNESS IN A HECK . CLUSTERED DEFEATED CORn FORUM . Welcome to me

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