RFID embedded $20's?

[KeLviN]

rfid in US 20$?


i think we all agree that this concept is bad..... but is it real/possible?

[Grifter]

Well, the thing I find interesting is that the twenty's burned all in the same spot, but at different severities. I am assuming that this is due to the fact that microwaves cook from the inside out so the money that was in the middle of this stack burned the worst.

What I'm wondering is if you took a stack of normal paper and cut it to be the same size and shape as $20 bills, would it burn at the center when placed in a microwave? Anyone willing to test it?

[astcell]

I would expect the burn to start in the center. The folding will crease a bill, and since the eye is in the center where the creases occur, it only stands to reason the condensed materials would heat up faster that the other areas which can disapate the heat much easier.

[highwizard]

If you burn his eye, does this mean big brother can no-longer watch you?

They're Coming for you! RUN!

[Qu|rk]

What I'm wondering is if you took a stack of normal paper and cut it to be the same size and shape as $20 bills, would it burn at the center when placed in a microwave?

regular paper is far different than the 100lb rag style, not to mention the special ink mixture, partially magnetic - but it should burn in the center, and I'll give it a whirl with the old microwave this weekend after I fish it out of storage.

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[kallahar]

If you want to test with real money, I'm almost positive you can take burned money to the bank and they'll replace it with fresh cash. There's probably stipulations like the serial number has to be visible, 50% of the bill has to be intact, things like that.

[lil_freak]

What I'm wondering is if you took a stack of normal paper and cut it to be the same size and shape as $20 bills, would it burn at the center when placed in a microwave? Anyone willing to test it?

I'm strange and freaky enough to try it. I'll also try other types of paper.

Will post with the results soon. :D

[murakami]

Pictures of Andy's right eye

Got me intrigued, so I took some pictures of the eye in question:

10x magnification backlit
60x magnification
200x magnification

[astcell]

If you want to test with real money, I'm almost positive you can take burned money to the bank and they'll replace it with fresh cash. There's probably stipulations like the serial number has to be visible, 50% of the bill has to be intact, things like that.

You do not need a serial number but you need over half of the bill. Half or less than half is worthless. Not all banks are obliged to accept the bill but they probably will. You will need to officially be at a Federal Reserve Depository to exchange the bill. There are 12 nationwide.

[Qu|rk]

murakami, out of curiosity... was the eye in question from a fresh one or one that has/had folds near the eye? I peeked at the 200x, and went in 800x on it, and there appears to be 2 small characteristic lines that are not a watermark... but a light crease past or present from the opposite side of the dollar could produce the same light lines at this magnification based on lighting.

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[murakami]

murakami, out of curiosity... was the eye in question from a fresh one or one that has/had folds near the eye? I peeked at the 200x, and went in 800x on it, and there appears to be 2 small characteristic lines that are not a watermark... but a light crease past or present from the opposite side of the dollar could produce the same light lines at this magnification based on lighting.

Qu|rk-

This had a fold close to the left eye, where a fold naturally occurs. To do this properly, I should have fixed the bill to a slide.

However, when thinking about this story, we should first consider how RFID technology works , the basic rules of physics and common sense.

First, RFID chips need power which can be derived from radio frequency energy and gathered from an antenna.

Second, consider the size of the antenna for most 2.4 gHz applications. How big would the antenna be to power the chip and at what frequency?

Third, it is probably technically possible to create such a device. Assuming that you could build a device that can survive the abuse, is it economically feasible to track $20s? Why not $100s?

I think I would look to other explanations, such as a concentration of metallic particles in the ink because the eye is very dark. I'll have to pass on the conspiracy theory ... excuse me, I need to buy a copy of Catcher in the Rye right now.

[JiTRiF]

No one should expect the government to track by RFID since the range to scan it would be like 3 feet, and the success on RFID is only like 30%. The real deal with tracking is the barcode.

[Qu|rk]

I was not inferring that was what it appeared to be, I was commenting on what I had seen from the pictures for those that didn't look that close.

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[astcell]

Those of you who think the .gov folks are good enought to track your money via an RFID chip need to walk into the DMV office to remind themselves about .gov efficiency.

[Grifter]

Those of you who think the .gov folks are good enought to track your money via an RFID chip need to walk into the DMV office to remind themselves about .gov efficiency.

Actually, putting RFID into money makes a lot of sense if you think about airports. A lot of money laundering is done by moving large amounts of cash back and forth. You are, I believe, required to tell the airline if you are traveling with over 10k in cash. I know this is true internationally. Not so sure about domestic. Either way, if you put an RFID screener into airports metal detectors, now you can check for money launderers or drug trafficers more easily. Usually when people are found with drugs they have large amounts of cash as well, this would give them the latter which may tip them off to the presence of drugs, at least, they might walk a dog past you.