Handcuffs Locks -> fettish (Was LP event suggestions)

[TheCotMan]

(Pulling content from one thread over into a new thread so as to not populate the lockpicking event suggestions with this.)

Taken from HERE

I can bring a pair of handcuffs with a rigid connector (instead of a chain)...[As part of an offer to bring something for a suggested "extra" track-- having people pick handcuffs-- see original thread above for exact context]

I like those types of handcuffs...[as part of a comment on a style of handcuffs and later a joke-- see original thread above for exact context]

I'm sure you had lots of practice... you definitely come across as the kinky type ;) [As part of another joke and humor in the thread-- see original thread above for exact context]

These are not those kinds of handcuffs. I have a few different kinds of handcuffs, but all are like those found in prisons, or at local police departments in the States. The handcuffs that are used for bondage (as well as bondage bracelets) generally have leather or some kinds of padding so your wrists do not come in direct contact with the metal; there is risk for serious injury when using the standard "police issue" handcuffs in such games. Many times, the handcuffs used for sex games have very simple locking mechanisms to allow a person without lockpicking experience to eventually free themself (if they have lots of time).

I have had friends (women) who "work in the industry" who kept such supplies. This was years ago, and the ones I knew have done well for themselves. They now have degrees, non-industry jobs, and in one case several houses and an apartment complex. To comment on the $250 per hour that people were coplaining about in another thread, the high-class escorts who charge this amount and more often have degrees and can pretend to be anything that is required. Some can attend medical conferences and speak the language of various trade shows very well. Many are quite good at social engineering, and get well compensated to not appear to be escorts.

However, their lifestyle tends to "convert" many into lesbians as they encounter a large number of men who are cheating on wives or girlfriends, and as a result eventually stereotype men and distrust men enough to be unable to be in reltionships with them. Some eventually go back to a heterosexual life, but not all.

I've attended what I can best describe as a fettish party and show. There is a whole collection of rules in this subculture. Wearing a whip on one said says one thing, wearing it on another can mean another... and just what it means can change from one region to another. Some have published "underground" books to let people know how to identify the interests of people at these shows based on what and how they wear their clothing. The one I attended was an unbelieveable once-in-a-lifetime experience. They had different things going on in different rooms. One guy was performing self-mutiliation in piercing himself with thin steel rods (several) and then had help from others in attaching ropes and hanging by his skin from the ceiling. They had artwork of various types available for sale, and even a play half-way through the show. People were engaging in sex which seemed casual enough.

I know enough to know it is not my scene but am impressed with how specialized communication can become when it comes to humans looking to have sex. I also did appreciate my friend's kindness for lending me clothing so that I could fit-in and the fun we had when we had to stop by a local "general purpose retail chain" (place like WalMart) dressed up in out vinyl outfits on the way to the show to pick up some black shoe polish and a brush. Parents held thier kids close as though we were some kind of criminals.

The reason for starting this thread was discussion of handcuffs, but it seems to have morphed into this. Instead of polluting the LP forum with this, it is reborn as a new thread.

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[lil_freak]

(Pulling content from one thread over into a new thread so as to not populate the lockpicking event suggestions with this.)

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These are not those kinds of handcuffs. I have a few different kinds of handcuffs, but all are like those found in prisons, or at local police departments in the States. The handcuffs that are used for bondage (as well as bondage bracelets) generally have leather or some kinds of padding so your wrists do not come in direct contact with the metal; there is risk for serious injury when using the standard "police issue" handcuffs in such games. Many times, the handcuffs used for sex games have very simple locking mechanisms to allow a person without lockpicking experience to eventually free themself (if they have lots of time).

I have had friends (women) who "work in the industry" who kept such supplies. This was years ago, and the ones I knew have done well for themselves. They now have degrees, non-industry jobs, and in one case several houses and an apartment complex. To comment on the $250 per hour that people were coplaining about in another thread, the high-class escorts who charge this amount and more often have degrees and can pretend to be anything that is required. Some can attend medical conferences and speak the language of various trade shows very well. Many are quite good at social engineering, and get well compensated to not appear to be escorts.

However, their lifestyle tends to "convert" many into lesbians as they encounter a large number of men who are cheating on wives or girlfriends, and as a result eventually stereotype men and distrust men enough to be unable to be in reltionships with them. Some eventually go back to a heterosexual life, but not all.

I've attended what I can best describe as a fettish party and show. There is a whole collection of rules in this subculture. Wearing a whip on one said says one thing, wearing it on another can mean another... and just what it means can change from one region to another. Some have published "underground" books to let people know how to identify the interests of people at these shows based on what and how they wear their clothing. The one I attended was an unbelieveable once-in-a-lifetime experience. They had different things going on in different rooms. One guy was performing self-mutiliation in piercing himself with thin steel rods (several) and then had help from others in attaching ropes and hanging by his skin from the ceiling. They had artwork of various types available for sale, and even a play half-way through the show. People were engaging in sex which seemed casual enough.

I know enough to know it is not my scene but am impressed with how specialized communication can become when it comes to humans looking to have sex. I also did appreciate my friend's kindness for lending me clothing so that I could fit-in and the fun we had when we had to stop by a local "general purpose retail chain" (place like WalMart) dressed up in out vinyl outfits on the way to the show to pick up some black shoe polish and a brush. Parents held thier kids close as though we were some kind of criminals.

The reason for starting this thread was discussion of handcuffs, but it seems to have morphed into this. Instead of polluting the LP forum with this, it is reborn as a new thread.

What made you think I was talking about using the handcuffs for/with sex?

I was taking about handcuffs that you would have in prisons, or at local police departments. (the zip-handcuffs I was referring to are used on persons whom either have too small or to big of wrists to fit in normal handcuffs)

As for HighWizard posting what he did, well that's just HighWiz for you. As for my reply, that's my sense of humor.

I have had lots of practice getting out of handcuffs, but that's something I think should not be posted here for reasons of causing paranoia amongst some of the forum members.

Also, I'm not sure about whole converting people into lesbians, but rest assured I'm happy being straight and plan on staying that way. Besides, what would h3adrush say if I turned.

Starting this thread for discussion of handcuffs was not a bad idea but sometimes with topics like these people can take things in a misinterpreted way. (I did not misinterpert what you posted, but I can see how my post could have been)

At one point in time I think most of the threads here pollute something, thats why we have dev/null and the mods who can move stuff there if they feel it needs to go.

[jesse]

i've never understood how prostitution is illegal, but you can hire a dominatrix to beat you up as long as no sex is involved and it's perfectly legal.

Then again, alcohol is legal and weed isn't.

[TheCotMan]

What made you think I was talking about using the handcuffs for/with sex?

Your quote was included in the chain so the context could be understood. My reply was to HighWizard's comment and direction.

Looks like I struck a nerve. :-/ (sorry)

I was taking about handcuffs that you would have in prisons, or at local police departments. (the zip-handcuffs I was referring to are used on persons whom either have too small or to big of wrists to fit in normal handcuffs)

Those work really well too. Many local police use zipcord/zip-ties to deal with protests as they are much cheaper than having to buy a few hundred handcuffs. However, these are even riskier in causing damage to people who wear them. Handcuffs can be double-locked to prevent them from getting tighter, but those zip ties are another story.

Also, I'm not sure about whole converting people into lesbians, but rest assured I'm happy being straight and plan on staying that way. Besides, what would h3adrush say if I turned.

Heh. Um. I think h3adrush would probably blame me for bringing up this idea and hunt me down with some general purpose tool of re-education, but I do not know h3adrush, so this is just a guess.

Looking back at the very brief included quotes from the head of this thread with what you have written in mind does not make the quotes very flattering. (Will be editing the previous post with disclaimer in [ ] so people know these were from jokes in a thread.)

Starting this thread for discussion of handcuffs was not a bad idea but sometimes with topics like these people can take things in a misinterpreted way.

Yep. This is why I included a link to the original thread so that people could see the exact context.

i've never understood how prostitution is illegal, but you can hire a dominatrix to beat you up as long as no sex is involved and it's perfectly legal.

Then again, alcohol is legal and weed isn't.

I blame the heavy ties of our government to religious ideal-- primarily the conservative right-wing christianity influence. Vices which were of such common practice and use seemed to be grandfathered into laws of exception. However even these come under threat (prohibition), [registry of weapons, limits to what is considered decent vs. pornographic, etc. and history shows how such restrictions will draw even larger pools of people to try vices which are made illegal. (Locke's social justice cannot be enforced without a right to own guns; ownership permits the final strategy of change for government if legal change fails to meet the demands of a majority. Even Thomas Jefferson was a strong believer in cyclic revolutions in countries... that is, until he was elected as a president. (That sell-out! ;-) ]

Organizaed Crime has just as much a stake in seeing "controlled substances" remain as "controlled substances" as the high markup created as a result of having possession be illegal would be lost if such sustances were made legal. "War on Drugs" increases the price of drugs and encourages more people to seek distribution as a method of earning income.

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[lil_freak]

Your quote was included in the chain so the context could be understood. My reply was to HighWizard's comment and direction.

Looks like I struck a nerve. :-/ (sorry)

:) Its okay, I thought you were referring to my post thus causing me to go into defend mode.

Those work really well too. Many local police use zipcord/zip-ties to deal with protests as they are much cheaper than having to buy a few hundred handcuffs. However, these are even riskier in causing damage to people who wear them. Handcuffs can be double-locked to prevent them from getting tighter, but those zip ties are another story.

Yes, they can be rather risky but sometimes that is what is necessary.

Heh. Um. I think h3adrush would probably blame me for bringing up this idea and hunt me down with some general purpose tool of re-education, but I do not know h3adrush, so this is just a guess.

I don't think H3 will hunt you down. He's understanding and very sweet.

However, if you were to make me cry then he might. In this case I would recommend that run for your life, after all gun happy hackers who are upset might not be a good thing.

Looking back at the very brief included quotes from the head of this thread with what you have written in mind does not make the quotes very flattering. (Will be editing the previous post with disclaimer in [ ] so people know these were from jokes in a thread.)

Sounds good.

[bascule]

Weed is illegal because the Mexicans liked it, just like opium is illegal because the Chinese liked it...

That and ignorant people fell sucker to propaganda films like Reefer Madness...

[themusicsheep]

Shouldn't this thread have some sort of warning? Like, "rated PG" or something? After reading about your sexual escapades I feel violated.

[TheCotMan]

Shouldn't this thread have some sort of warning? Like, "rated PG" or something? After reading about your sexual escapades I feel violated.

Like my local peers, I am not the best when it comes to socializing with people. Forcing myself to interact with many people who share various and diverse backgrounds helps me to improve my skills with people. I've purposefully turned-in applications to businesses where I have no plans to work, just so I can do the interviews. "Crashing" events with the only intention of fitting-in and socializing. Sure, my social skills are not the best, but I do what I can to improve them. Even purposefully breaking social norms from western society just to see the reactions and how they compare to what is expected, or keeping a lady company as she goes to one of these events with her peers.

When I went out to the Farmer/Venema presentation on "The Grave Robber's Toolkit" (then, but later renamed to The Coronor's Toolkit) out in New York at the IBM, TJ Watson Research Center, I also took some time to visit some sights. Saw the twin towers, and many other sites in the city, but eventually started asking people what they would visit anywhere in the state if they could go where they wanted. One person suggested a beautiful park for hiking in upstate New York. After spending several hours there, I ran into a Park Ranger who suggested the location of Woodstock and West Point. After driving by "Woodstock" location, I made it to West Point and took their tour. (It would have been easy to spot the Fed while I was there :-D ) While I was there, I ran into some of their Tech people and talked for a while about OS and support. Their MP are not very talkitive while on duty. Anyway, getting back to topic...

In the museum at West Point, they have a bunch of things on display. One of the things they had in a display case looked like thumb-cuffs; really small handcuffs that can be placed over the thumbs to hold the hands together.

If touring military bases is not your thing, then try prisons or jails. Go become buddies with someone who works at one of these and get yourself a tour. They have many kinds of devices used for restraint. Some prisons actually have museums or gift shops! Some of the museums have an extenvive collection of hancuffs, shackles and other restraint devices.

Real-world experience is just as (if not more valuable than) reading books.

[mfreeck]

I've attended what I can best describe as a fettish party and show. There is a whole collection of rules in this subculture. Wearing a whip on one said says one thing, wearing it on another can mean another... and just what it means can change from one region to another. [...] People were engaging in sex which seemed casual enough.

What year/city was this? This sounds kinda old-guard. In gay leather culture some of those symbols may still be there, but I think largely that has died out as people are able to communicate more openly. As far as casual sex goes, I think that changes a bit from city to city, but generally the parties I have seen the rules for state that barriers must be used with fluids, and most parties here don't involve sex at all (possibly/probably different for same sex parties).

fun we had when we had to stop by a local "general purpose retail chain" (place like WalMart) dressed up in out vinyl outfits on the way to the show to pick up some black shoe polish and a brush. Parents held thier kids close as though we were some kind of criminals.

Hehe, Home Depot can be a whole lot of fun, especially if the store attendants are trying to figure out what you're going to make with a foot of vinyl hose, 6' pipe insulation and some clothes pins. ;)

If touring military bases is not your thing, then try prisons or jails. Go become buddies with someone who works at one of these and get yourself a tour. They have many kinds of devices used for restraint. Some prisons actually have museums or gift shops! Some of the museums have an extenvive collection of hancuffs, shackles and other restraint devices.

Amsterdam has the Torture Museum. Interesting to see how the priests had an edict against killing people, so they'd do everything but. There was a particularly nasty machine that would lift someone up by their wrists - when their arms were tied behind their back. This would dislocate their shoulders and could be done over and over again. ::ick:: Then there were the things to sort of enforce community standards... violate some sort of morality, and they'd have you sit on a little pointy triangle, so all your body weight would bear down on your asshole perched over this little pyramid that probably didn't seem small enough but still too pointy.

[TheCotMan]

What year/city was this?

About 7 years ago, and I think I was visiting with someone in S.F.

Amsterdam has the Torture Museum...

Doh! I missed that last time. I'll have to make sure to see it when I go back.

Seeing tools which have been used through the ages to restrain people is interesting. In some cultures, the devices tend to become less painful, but looking through history, some have been deadly as their cultures enter increasingly oppresive periods. Also, it is interesting to note how changes in technology accellerate as you examine recent history when compared to ancient history where locking systems are involved.

Some are postively amazing, like the various "puzzle rings" used in different cultures as a kind of psychological and social bondage. These rings were made in such a way as to make them stay "whole" as a ring unless they were removed. Once they were removed, the ring would fall into various loops and wires unless you could solve the puzzle and then immediately place it back on a finger. The wearer was not physicaly restrained, but socially and psychologically they were restricted. These rings ranged in complexity from the trivial to the very complex.

[mfreeck]

Doh! I missed that last time. I'll have to make sure to see it when I go back.

There's also a tattoo museum and they've got whole skins from people hanging up.

torture museum

Tattoo museum

Some are postively amazing, like the various "puzzle rings" used in different cultures as a kind of psychological and social bondage. These rings were made in such a way as to make them stay "whole" as a ring unless they were removed. Once they were removed, the ring would fall into various loops and wires unless you could solve the puzzle and then immediately place it back on a finger. The wearer was not physicaly restrained, but socially and psychologically they were restricted. These rings ranged in complexity from the trivial to the very complex.

That sounds really interesting. What a way to make sure someone doesn't hide their oath to marriage or sect. I bet those rings are *highly* collectible.